Jens Schoenfeld releases Catweasel Mk4 - Page 2

jmmijo · 22 July 2004, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiath

Heh. The Amiga world never changes.
Fools and their money.

Ah yes, reminds me a a song by Bad Finger "If you want it, here it is come and get."

Also made popular in the film, The Magic Christian

Amiga1992 · 22 July 2004, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiath

a 2 Kb card reset utility in your startup

Which you can get for FREE on the aminet.

whiteb · 24 July 2004, 12:33

/me wanders in half pissed and follows the conversation.......... WHAT THE !!!!!!!

New catweisel....... <DROOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLSSSSS !!!!!>

If you do indeed get one to work with IPF's, I WANT ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fiath · 26 July 2004, 11:08

Well, we have not heard from Jens yet, so don't rush out a buy one purely for CAPS, because it may not happen. Well, okay, you can't buy a Mk4 yet anyway... (that will be the only one supported)

When there is more news on this, we will let everyone know.

whiteb · 27 July 2004, 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiath

Well, we have not heard from Jens yet, so don't rush out a buy one purely for CAPS, because it may not happen. Well, okay, you can't buy a Mk4 yet anyway... (that will be the only one supported)

When there is more news on this, we will let everyone know.

Cool, Just if at some point its found that its going to be acceptable to use with Re-Authoring IPF's back to disk, i will be *VERY* keen to get one.

fiath · 27 July 2004, 13:06

I know many people out there that feel the same way. I guess we shall just have to wait and see.

Amiga1992 · 27 July 2004, 19:17

I would be all over it as well :P

barkingboy · 27 July 2004, 21:24

So in theory would it be possible to dump CAPS images using something like a Catweazel - allowing people to dump a much wider range of media such as HD 3.5" and 5.25" disks? Would be cool for my C64 disks!

Amiga1992 · 28 July 2004, 04:14

It's not confirmed yet about IPF images, but probably it works for .d64 images and the like.

Can't you dump originals to G64 with the XE1541 cable and a proper C64 disk drive?

fiath · 28 July 2004, 07:29

@barkingboy

If we did do it, yes a dumping mode would be in there too. For 3.5" disks this might help a bit for people without Amiga's but with undumped games (though I don't think there is likely to be very many), and I guess other types of disks too.

You can dump HD 3.5" disks now btw, you just need an Amiga HD drive.

Amiga1992 · 28 July 2004, 13:31

Quick OT question:

If I had an HD Amiga floppy drive and I stick a PC disk in it, would I be able to dump an image of the PC disk?

28 July 2004, 13:32

No that would only open up a portal to the Zod dimension.

fiath · 28 July 2004, 14:07

@Akira

Yes, you should be able to.

Dr. Dude · 28 July 2004, 14:32

28 July 2004, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Individual Computers Press Release

Looks interesting... perhaps the extra control required for making and writing back CAPS images?

What exactly is this extra control that is missing in MK3 and we expect in MK4 ?

AFAIK all Catwezel cards can handle any format including protections. I don´t think I can afford a new one. Why can´t we use the MK3 ?

Amiga1992 · 29 July 2004, 00:08

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More flexible read- and write operations
In addition to working on whole tracks, which made all previous Catweasel models so flexible, tracks can now also be partially accessed very precisely. Should this become necessary for compatibility or speed reasons, the Catweasel MK4 is perfectly prepared.

I think this is what is interesting everyone.

fiath · 29 July 2004, 09:17

Yes, but some of the other items listed as well.

29 July 2004, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

More flexible read- and write operations
In addition to working on whole tracks, which made all previous Catweasel models so flexible, tracks can now also be partially accessed very precisely. Should this become necessary for compatibility or speed reasons, the Catweasel MK4 is perfectly prepared.

I think this is what is interesting everyone.

Are you serious? Advertisement crap for me. He, he, more flexible, better, faster, ready for the new century.

Partial track access is the only interesting thing there.Could be nice for real time applications. WINUAE perhaps? But not for us. why we should care about this? We don´t need this for re-authoring or for dumping.

So I ask again. What exactly is missing in MK3 for re-authoring IPF back to disk? No bullshit answer please.

Toni Wilen · 29 July 2004, 20:35

Not sure if these are important for writing Amiga copy protections but MK4 has at least following disk controller improvements:

- partial writes, wait for index sync, wait x clock cycles until writing starts.
- more exact timing, MK3 apparantly had some "random" error (length of single pulse written was not exactly the length asked but had some "random" value added)

jmmijo · 29 July 2004, 20:46

So I take it the MK4 could more accurately write out long track schemes without said random marker then ?!?

If so then this would be one major reason for not using a MK3 then correct ?!?

28 July 2004, 14:07	#33
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	@Akira Yes, you should be able to. Last edited by fiath; 28 July 2004 at 14:18.

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whiteb Fanatically Amiga. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 1,557	/me wanders in half pissed and follows the conversation.......... WHAT THE !!!!!!! New catweisel....... <DROOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLSSSSS !!!!!> If you do indeed get one to work with IPF's, I WANT ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26 July 2004, 11:08	#24
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Well, we have not heard from Jens yet, so don't rush out a buy one purely for CAPS, because it may not happen. Well, okay, you can't buy a Mk4 yet anyway... (that will be the only one supported) When there is more news on this, we will let everyone know.

27 July 2004, 13:06	#26
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	I know many people out there that feel the same way. I guess we shall just have to wait and see.

27 July 2004, 19:17	#27
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I would be all over it as well :P

27 July 2004, 21:24	#28
barkingboy Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 151	So in theory would it be possible to dump CAPS images using something like a Catweazel - allowing people to dump a much wider range of media such as HD 3.5" and 5.25" disks? Would be cool for my C64 disks!

28 July 2004, 04:14	#29
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	It's not confirmed yet about IPF images, but probably it works for .d64 images and the like. Can't you dump originals to G64 with the XE1541 cable and a proper C64 disk drive?

28 July 2004, 07:29	#30
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	@barkingboy If we did do it, yes a dumping mode would be in there too. For 3.5" disks this might help a bit for people without Amiga's but with undumped games (though I don't think there is likely to be very many), and I guess other types of disks too. You can dump HD 3.5" disks now btw, you just need an Amiga HD drive.

28 July 2004, 13:31	#31
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Quick OT question: If I had an HD Amiga floppy drive and I stick a PC disk in it, would I be able to dump an image of the PC disk?

28 July 2004, 13:32	#32
oldpx Posts: n/a	No that would only open up a portal to the Zod dimension.

28 July 2004, 14:32	#34
Dr. Dude Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: On Ami World Posts: 500

29 July 2004, 09:17	#37
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Yes, but some of the other items listed as well.

29 July 2004, 20:35	#39
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	Not sure if these are important for writing Amiga copy protections but MK4 has at least following disk controller improvements: - partial writes, wait for index sync, wait x clock cycles until writing starts. - more exact timing, MK3 apparantly had some "random" error (length of single pulse written was not exactly the length asked but had some "random" value added)

29 July 2004, 20:46	#40
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,396	So I take it the MK4 could more accurately write out long track schemes without said random marker then ?!? If so then this would be one major reason for not using a MK3 then correct ?!?

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