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Windows is a work horse used in most offices. People there get in trouble if something changes. Compatibility with old software is mandatory. So I do not think they will change much. And if you use a system for work it is nerving if you have to look around to find functionality you need. You are more happy if basically all stays the same. Never change a running system is also true for useability. If we talk about something people use at home there is a higher chance that people invest time to explore something. In my view a big difference. And yes amiga or inspired systems are much more simple and easier to control. But the higher complexity of modern systems is also related to the much higher expectations people have today. And also partly heritage needed for compatiblity reasons. |
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So much this. Some people may be fooled to believe that Linux is »newer« than AmigaOS, but bear in mind that AmigaOS is 15 years newer than Unix.
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For example, we bought a new HP tablet to control our drone. It was stuck in a screen resolution so high that you couldn't reliably select objects in the drone app. Windows 10 has a feature where you can increase the font size, but the app didn't increase the box sizes to match it. So the whole reason we bought the tablet turned out to be a bust. Quote:
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I run Linux Lite on my internet PC so I can use the latest Firefox (essential if you want most web pages to work properly). It's set up to mimic Windows, which it does reasonably well for most things. But every now and then something trips me up. Yesterday I wanted to copy some files onto a floppy disk. Oh no, says Linux, you can't do that. You don't have permission! WTF?!? Yet it's perfectly happy with copying stuff to a USB stick. Another problem is that Linux Lite's window view settings are global - change to eg. list view by date in one window and now they all are. Very annoying! When in list view it always makes the name field very wide, so I keep having to reduce it to see the date etc. Of course it shows all the lower case names after the upper case ones, so you need to know both the name and its case to find it in the list, and the file requester mixes folders with files making it harder to find the folder you want. Quote:
On this Linux box Firefox sometimes loads the system so much that the mouse pointer freezes up - and there's nothing I can do about it except wait, sometimes for several minutes! I would rather have the system tell me there isn't enough memory available than hide it from me and then essentially lock up for 10 minutes or more. Quote:
On the Amiga I usually download files to the RAM disk, unarchive them to the RAM disk, and then perhaps mount them if they are ADFs etc. A game might be several lha files zipped together which have to be extracted in a two step process. I also use the RAM disk for creating archives and files for temporary use, eg. code that I am testing. On my Amiga this all happens in RAM. On the PC it clutters up my hard drive. I currently have 13 GB in my downloads folder, most of which I will never use again. |
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It's the 21st century and computers are powerful enough that we shouldn't have to type in arcane commands to get stuff done. If the system has something worth using then it should be in the GUI, either by default or in a context menu or the settings manager. But Linux gurus think GUIs are for the clueless masses who don't deserve those features. |
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My worst example for this would be me trying to get audio out of dual monitors and trying to get programs to use/remembering to use specific monitor for audio output, originally i could only get audio out of 1 monitor (i got it working ok now tho), at the time however when i did not know how to get that working, oh dear god, the amount of posts all with different potential solutions but all of them wanting you do edit pulseconfig settings, add/delete this and that and its all pretty much guesswork. As you said, its the modern day, i cant believe many things which amount to common problems havent been made simple, stuff like that is probably why many dont want to tackle anything other than windows. |
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So many things i regret...
- Ram disk, of course. Those on windows aren't dynamic and have their contents saved on disk when the machine is switched off... - Simple console windows with /AUTO, /WAIT options. Dunno for linux, but windows is very poor in that area. - Arexx, our program remote control. - Installer with 3 levels (beginner, intermediate, expert). - Intuition screens. All with different size, resolution, number of colors, autoscroll. - Ease to get a simple 2D framebuffer (how many lines to do this with directx already ?). - Fast start and stop. Start is a handful seconds ; stop is immediate. - Won't lock a file when it's not necessary (e.g. you can delete an executable file while it's running). - A window still reacts when the program is busy. Under windows, you can't even move them. - When the mouse pointer goes a little off a scroll bar, the Amiga won't stupidly return to the old position. - Shift-backspace and shift-delete to immediately remove start/end of the current line. - Relative ease to do accentuated caps (À, Ç, etc) and symbols such as ¼, ½, ¾, « ». - Not part of the WB, but one big thing missing is SnoopDos. Sure, there are system monitors on windows, but they get flooded by events in a handful seconds. - It's easy to have some routine called each frame or after a specified interval, down to sub-millisecond (usually with an interrupt but it doesn't have to be one). - The Amiga won't connect to the internet when you don't want it to. |
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oh dear god yes, a simple no bs tool like SnoopDOS would be invaluable on windows and linux but the few ive seen as mentioned get filled with junk making it hard to find what you need and as you typically arent sure of what your looking for that mass info dump just makes narrowing down issues that much harder. Most of the time you run a program, it doesnt work and if it doesnt tell you why its not working or has a convenient log containing useful info then you just want a nice SnoopDos type of program to look at and think "ah yes, there we go, its trying to open these files/dependencies and they arent available, ill go fix that now", instead we end up having to trawl through years and years of old online search results and try everything till something works.
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Oh I agree, certainly - MUI holds up pretty well (no hamburger menus, at least!), and there's a lot about it that I like. But it still has a slightly alien "feel" on the Amiga, due to lacking that characteristic instant feedback even when the mainloop is busy.
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This looks more promising - https://hotdoglinux.com/ |
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n1, not actually seen that before, quick look shows plenty of videos about it, looks like i have a few videos to watch. |
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This is linux only, and strace only works for single process. It won't survey the whole system. How can it possibly help when one process does something bad and you don't know which ? To me this looks like castrated snoopdos.
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I have a laptop which uses Windows 10, and what strikes me about Windows 10 is how poor the English is - it's like it's designed for babies or people who don't really know English, or dumb people. Unfortunately, this pi*s-poor English has infiltrated everything now including most of the proper sites you'd have to log in to to pay your bills etc. WTF?! Sometimes the English used is so poor I sometimes wonder what they're trying to convey and I get the wrong end of the stick and make a mistake myself (which is there mistake really due to poor use of English).
I wonder, has the same thing happened in France and Germany, or Australia, or USA etc...? |
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I don't see it as a generational thing but see the collateral damage of taking away people's sense of responsibility. And companies tend to communicate in a way it reduce their responsibilities. So yes, I largely prefer control to the user. |
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On a modern OS, when clicking options to change settings, I'm not a fan of the old -
clicking "Apply", then clicking "Save" I understand that there are some use cases for it, but I just want to change a setting, click save once and then be on my way. The Apply, then Save just seems unnecessary. |
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