Bootdisk for mounting a card in PCMCIA - Page 2

Arnie · 02 September 2012, 11:41

Make a copy of your Workbench disk, boot from that disk and then copy over the files to the Workbench disk from Akira's boot disk, (not s:startup-sequence). Insert the CF card into the PCMCIA slot and mount CF0: (double click on the CF0 icon in the devs:dosdrivers dir) from the workbench disk, does the CF card show up?

hansel75 · 02 September 2012, 12:15

Hi Arnie, i mentioned above that my pcmcia/cf is working fine, as i have copied out adf's to floppy no problems and i'm aware of the cf files needed to add to wb.

But what this boot disk is supposed to be doing is allowing it to boot the pcmcia/cf with wb on it, so it's acting like a hd but with a boot floppy.

Han.

ppill · 02 September 2012, 12:44

@hansel75
PM sent. It works on my A600 with the same kickstart version.

Amiga1992 · 02 September 2012, 13:27

I am indeed stuck for ideas. This is working on my A600.
As a last resort and I know this sounds stupid but some times it helped me, edit the startup-sequence of my bootfloppy and after the mount command add "cd cf0:"

Some times the card doesn't work until you CD to it.

hansel75 · 02 September 2012, 13:41

Thanks Akira and Ppil.

Akira i am testing a boot disk ppil has done up to run a hdf file atm.

If i have no luck i will try add that command to your boot disk later on and see how that goes.

Han.

hansel75 · 02 September 2012, 15:06

Success at last, ppil has made a boot disk for the A600 that boots a hdf file, and after some tweaking it works, brilliant!!!!

Thanks everyone, Han.

bdb · 02 September 2012, 17:53

Get out an AmigaDos manual (or print one from the net) and. Look up each command in the S:Startup-Sequence file. Also look up the "Install" command as in "Install DF0:" to make a floppy bootable. I say this because I believe that, "Knowledge is Power," and with greater power comes greater responsibility.

If you know the movie, "Groundhogs Day" you'll recognize a line from Bill Murry about God is only all knowing because he has seen all before, again and again

ppill · 02 September 2012, 20:03

So here's the disk.

It will boot into an hdf file called a600_cf.hdf that must be copied to the CF card's root directory.

It's useful to format the CF card to use fat16 instead of fat32 since it runs a lot faster.

a600_cf.hdf is a blank, preformatted hdf file. Use WinUAE to install any AmigaOS version that would work on a real a600, dump the adf file to a floppy and that's it.

Here are the key files if anyone's wondering how it works:

CF0: mountlist

Code:

FileSystem = l:fat95
Device = compactflash.device
Unit = 0
Flags = 0
LowCyl = 0
HighCyl = 0
Surfaces = 1
BlocksPerTrack = 1
BlockSize = 512
Buffers = 20
BufMemType = 1
BootPri = 0
Stacksize = 4096
Priority = 5
GlobVec = -1
DosType = 0x46415401
Activate = 1
#

HD0: mountlist

Code:

Device = filedisk.device
Unit = "CF0:a600_cf.hdf"
Flags = 0
FileSystem = L:FastFileSystem
Surfaces = 7
BlockSize = 512
BlocksPerTrack = 63
Reserved = 2
Interleave = 0
LowCyl = 2
HighCyl = 927
Buffers = 30
BufMemType = 0
MaxTransfer = 0x00ffffff
Mask = 0x00fffffe
DosType = 0x444f5301
GlobVec = -1
StackSize = 4096
/* Control = 0 */
Mount = 1
#

startup-sequence on the bootdisk

Code:

mount CF0:
mount HD0:
wait 2
movesys cd HD0:
run >NIL: execute s:startup-sequence
endcli

Amiga1992 · 03 September 2012, 01:38

VEry clean and very nice, thanks for sharing ppil!!

Jope · 03 September 2012, 15:55

Ah, so you ended up using the virtual disk driver.. How's performance/ram use on that?

hansel75 · 04 September 2012, 12:45

Hi jope, it's going great. When i first tried it i had the cf card formatted to fat32, and it was painfully slow.
I then tried it in fat16 format and it's a lot better. Not blazingly fast, but very respectable and usable.

The beauty of this to, is i have a 200mb hdf file on a 4gb card, and the spare space on that card comes up as a separate folder in the os. So i loaded up the rest of the cf card with around 3.4gb worth of whdload games, demos, mods etc, and can access them no problems in workbench from that separate folder.

Han.

04 April 2018, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Alright then, look at The Zone, I have uploaded the bootdisk for you.
Let me know if it works. Remember, it will only work as long as you have inserted a CF card on the PCMCIA device, and as long as you have copied a Workbench over to it.

Would you please be able to upload the boot disk again for me please? I've only just stumbled upon this post and would love to give it a try!

tomse · 04 April 2018, 19:43

[QUOTE=vaccinemedia;1232179]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Alright then, look at The Zone, I have uploaded the bootdisk for you.
Let me know if it works. Remember, it will only work as long as you have inserted a CF card on the PCMCIA device, and as long as you have copied a Workbench over to it.

Would you please be able to upload the boot disk again for me please? I've only just stumbled upon this post and would love to give it a try!

I made a bootdisk a long time ago, perhaps this can help you?
http://www.retro-commodore.eu/cf-res...for-a600a1200/

Amiga1992 · 05 April 2018, 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaccinemedia

Would you please be able to upload the boot disk again for me please? I've only just stumbled upon this post and would love to give it a try!

I couldn't find it so I made it again for you.
Check The Zone!

You need to have a full Workbench system installed onto your fat95 CF for this to run.

AMIGASYSTEM · 05 April 2018, 12:17

Yes, on a well-configured system it is very easy to mount one CF/SD/PenDrive. One time created the Mountlist this can be done automatically if positioned in Devs/DOSDrivers, or positioned in Storage/Devs/DOSDrivers and mounted later and manually from Icon or Shell (see video tutorial)

WinUAE AMiGA OS Mount/Dismount Two SD formatted FAT (it also works on real Amiga)

[ Show youtube player ]

kimmo7 · 06 April 2018, 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I couldn't find it so I made it again for you.
Check The Zone!

You need to have a full Workbench system installed onto your fat95 CF for this to run.

Hi!

I'm testing this and I'm new to Workbench stuff. I just used the Amiga 600 for games when I was child and just digg it out from closet. How you can install Workbench 2.1 to FAT drive in winuae. From youtube guide videos, all I can find is to do it in Amigas own filesystems.

Kimmo

AMIGASYSTEM · 06 April 2018, 08:50

You can not use the FAT to install Amiga OS

kimmo7 · 06 April 2018, 10:10

What filesystem it should be then, when using boot disk to boot from PCMCIA cf card.

AMIGASYSTEM · 06 April 2018, 10:51

Lo so CF Card must contain the operating system Amiga, this must be treated and connected as one Hardisk, initialized with HDToolbox and formatted with one of the native Amiga filesystems (FFS, SFS, PFS)

thomas · 06 April 2018, 19:30

If you want to boot using Akira's floppy disk, the CF card must be formatted as FAT.

In WinUAE just click on "Add directory" and choose the CF card's drive letter. Do not create or select a directory, it must be in the main folder.

Then boot WinUAE from the Install ADF and install Workbench to the CF card.

There is nothing wrong with FAT for an emergency system. Only if you want to store Amiga's extended file attributes you need a native Amiga file system. But a beginner does not even know what these attributes are or what they are good for, so just don't care.

@Akira: in your startup-sequence you assign Devs: twice but Fonts: is missing. Also before execute startup-sequence you should cd sys:

02 September 2012, 17:53	#27
bdb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: USA Posts: 239	Helpful Exercise Get out an AmigaDos manual (or print one from the net) and. Look up each command in the S:Startup-Sequence file. Also look up the "Install" command as in "Install DF0:" to make a floppy bootable. I say this because I believe that, "Knowledge is Power," and with greater power comes greater responsibility. If you know the movie, "Groundhogs Day" you'll recognize a line from Bill Murry about God is only all knowing because he has seen all before, again and again

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02 September 2012, 11:41	#21
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	Make a copy of your Workbench disk, boot from that disk and then copy over the files to the Workbench disk from Akira's boot disk, (not s:startup-sequence). Insert the CF card into the PCMCIA slot and mount CF0: (double click on the CF0 icon in the devs:dosdrivers dir) from the workbench disk, does the CF card show up?

02 September 2012, 12:15	#22
hansel75 Walk Off? Boolander! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gladstone Australia Age: 48 Posts: 628	Hi Arnie, i mentioned above that my pcmcia/cf is working fine, as i have copied out adf's to floppy no problems and i'm aware of the cf files needed to add to wb. But what this boot disk is supposed to be doing is allowing it to boot the pcmcia/cf with wb on it, so it's acting like a hd but with a boot floppy. Han.

02 September 2012, 12:44	#23
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	@hansel75 PM sent. It works on my A600 with the same kickstart version.

02 September 2012, 13:27	#24
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I am indeed stuck for ideas. This is working on my A600. As a last resort and I know this sounds stupid but some times it helped me, edit the startup-sequence of my bootfloppy and after the mount command add "cd cf0:" Some times the card doesn't work until you CD to it.

02 September 2012, 13:41	#25
hansel75 Walk Off? Boolander! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gladstone Australia Age: 48 Posts: 628	Thanks Akira and Ppil. Akira i am testing a boot disk ppil has done up to run a hdf file atm. If i have no luck i will try add that command to your boot disk later on and see how that goes. Han.

02 September 2012, 15:06	#26
hansel75 Walk Off? Boolander! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gladstone Australia Age: 48 Posts: 628	Success at last, ppil has made a boot disk for the A600 that boots a hdf file, and after some tweaking it works, brilliant!!!! Thanks everyone, Han.

03 September 2012, 01:38	#29
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	VEry clean and very nice, thanks for sharing ppil!!

03 September 2012, 15:55	#30
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,879	Ah, so you ended up using the virtual disk driver.. How's performance/ram use on that?

04 September 2012, 12:45	#31
hansel75 Walk Off? Boolander! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Gladstone Australia Age: 48 Posts: 628	Hi jope, it's going great. When i first tried it i had the cf card formatted to fat32, and it was painfully slow. I then tried it in fat16 format and it's a lot better. Not blazingly fast, but very respectable and usable. The beauty of this to, is i have a 200mb hdf file on a 4gb card, and the spare space on that card comes up as a separate folder in the os. So i loaded up the rest of the cf card with around 3.4gb worth of whdload games, demos, mods etc, and can access them no problems in workbench from that separate folder. Han.

05 April 2018, 12:17	#35
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,254	Yes, on a well-configured system it is very easy to mount one CF/SD/PenDrive. One time created the Mountlist this can be done automatically if positioned in Devs/DOSDrivers, or positioned in Storage/Devs/DOSDrivers and mounted later and manually from Icon or Shell (see video tutorial) WinUAE AMiGA OS Mount/Dismount Two SD formatted FAT (it also works on real Amiga) [ Show youtube player ]

06 April 2018, 08:50	#37
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,254	You can not use the FAT to install Amiga OS

06 April 2018, 10:10	#38
kimmo7 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Finland Posts: 15	What filesystem it should be then, when using boot disk to boot from PCMCIA cf card.

06 April 2018, 10:51	#39
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,254	Lo so CF Card must contain the operating system Amiga, this must be treated and connected as one Hardisk, initialized with HDToolbox and formatted with one of the native Amiga filesystems (FFS, SFS, PFS)

06 April 2018, 19:30	#40
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,006	If you want to boot using Akira's floppy disk, the CF card must be formatted as FAT. In WinUAE just click on "Add directory" and choose the CF card's drive letter. Do not create or select a directory, it must be in the main folder. Then boot WinUAE from the Install ADF and install Workbench to the CF card. There is nothing wrong with FAT for an emergency system. Only if you want to store Amiga's extended file attributes you need a native Amiga file system. But a beginner does not even know what these attributes are or what they are good for, so just don't care. @Akira: in your startup-sequence you assign Devs: twice but Fonts: is missing. Also before execute startup-sequence you should cd sys:

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