Project: New (colored) case for A1200 - Page 2

Retrofan · 10 July 2015, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devlin

A replacement case for my A1200 would be grand IF it came in black and had matching key caps.

I am not really bothered for the embossing.. I'm looking at my screen, not ogling my amiga so i wouldn't notice it if it were gone.

You have to put an eye on your miggy, if not you'll be using WinUAE only, sooner than later

As I've said I like "A-Fans". It will be a modern case for retro people, A-Fans like we are.

Vot · 10 July 2015, 03:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devlin

A replacement case for my A1200 would be grand IF it came in black and had matching key caps.

I am not really bothered for the embossing.. I'm looking at my screen, not ogling my amiga so i wouldn't notice it if it were gone.

Well i guess the colour doesn't matter then.

Predseda · 10 July 2015, 09:17

Will there be that rectangle holding Commodore badge in the original cases? To let us stick the badge from our old yellowed cases?

amenophis · 10 July 2015, 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

Will there be that rectangle holding Commodore badge in the original cases? To let us stick the badge from our old yellowed cases?

Hi Predseda,
Yes indeed, the rectangle that exists on original cases will still be here

In fact, our housings are perfect replicas. Better plastic, same "touch and feel", absolutely UV resistant, and will have some extra enhancements for expansions cards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devlin

A replacement case for my A1200 would be grand IF it came in black and had matching key caps.
I am not really bothered for the embossing.. I'm looking at my screen, not ogling my amiga so i wouldn't notice it if it were gone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandro

the cases should include a complete keyset idem color of the case
otherwise is useless.

Devlin & Sandro,
If after reaching our Kickstarter campaign goal, we also reach the next stretch goal, you'll be happy to choose between several new colors

Regarding matching key caps, we plan to run another KS campaign dedicated to new full keyboards, as well as key caps only, all in matching colors to our cases.
Thanks for your support guys, you're amazing

Please follow our FB page below:
https://www.facebook.com/a1200housings

All latest news, polls and comments are published there.
You'll also find the housing specs in details, while we settings them over time.

Thanks again to all of you, help us spread the word !

To A-Fans, for A-Fans!

Neil79 · 10 July 2015, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXeler0

Wow,
didn't think it would happen for a while yet...

Keycaps in the pipeline too

BigFan · 10 July 2015, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vot

Well i guess the colour doesn't matter then.

Bull's eye !!

TCD · 10 July 2015, 12:14

Threads merged.

Devlin · 10 July 2015, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vot

Well i guess the colour doesn't matter then.

True, I guess, but my case and keycaps are showing their age(cracks in places, yellowing on both) so I wanted to have an all new case with a nice new set of key caps and then at the very least it matches the rest of my computers and systems

Neil79 · 10 July 2015, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

Threads merged.

Hey TCD, this didn't show up in the news section as a moved post. So it looked as if it was deleted. Just to let you know

Amiga1992 · 10 July 2015, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by LTAC

@Akira: which is the official owner of the Amiga brand?

And will he be OK to see "Amiga" on these cases, without asking a financial part?

How can you know without asking first?
I think you can approach and nothing BAD can happen from asking. "Worst" that can happen is being told "no".

Is it Hyperion who owns the Amiga brand, or was this one of the things that has been kept by Gateway and now who knows in which hands it is?

I think it's worth the effort to try and approach these people, all it takes is some investigation time and a bunch of emails.

prowler · 11 July 2015, 01:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil79

Hey TCD, this didn't show up in the news section as a moved post. So it looked as if it was deleted. Just to let you know

Explanation: Merged threads don't show up like moved ones do.

You can check the whereabouts of all your posts from your profile page under the Statistics tab.

Vot · 11 July 2015, 03:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

How can you know without asking first?
I think you can approach and nothing BAD can happen from asking. "Worst" that can happen is being told "no".

Is it Hyperion who owns the Amiga brand, or was this one of the things that has been kept by Gateway and now who knows in which hands it is?

I think it's worth the effort to try and approach these people, all it takes is some investigation time and a bunch of emails.

I agree.. I asked the people who are making the cases directly, they said they could license it but it would add extra cost, to me it just sounded like they hadn't actually asked.

amenophis · 11 July 2015, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vot

I agree.. I asked the people who are making the cases directly, they said they could license it but it would add extra cost, to me it just sounded like they hadn't actually asked.

Hello,

Phil here.
Yes Vot, indeed you're right. We haven't asked.

And here's why:

- "Amiga" trademark is owned by Amiga Inc.
- They do sell "Licenses" for the use of the name "Amiga".
Like you can see following the link below:
http://hackinformer.com/2015/07/05/c...et-smartphone/
And this kind of licensing is not cheap.

We already know that licensing the name "Amiga" from Amiga Inc. would add between 10 to 20 EUR per piece over our new housings production.
Pushing the housing price to around 100EUR.

Now, me and my friends are doing this for the community, for fun, and because we love our A1200.

So i can understand that some of you would like "Amiga" text be written on your new cases. And frankly, i'd like that too.
But if i have to choose between a new housing, more durable, not fearing UV light, enhancements made to support new hardware (USB/CF Slot/ DVI-VGA, and maybe some more..), and to choose to stay with my old one because getting the "Amiga" would simply bring down the project..
Guess what ? I made my choice already

Why ? Because paying for license is not the real issue, nor a big deal..
But to do this, we need to create a whole new registered company and go to negotiations AFTER that. And to support all of that, you'll have to pay way more than 100 EUR ! Just because of our desires to get new cases for our A1200?

Simply put. We're not going that way.
And where not going to do copyright infringement by molding the housings in china with the word "Amiga" on it, like someone suggested us do to haha.

We're going to build for you guys, NEW A1200 CASINGS !
With enhancements.
Just think about it

I hope that this explanation clears things out.
Of course we're totally open for discussions, on every aspects of the process..

So do not hesitate guys, but maybe on our FB page if you don't mind.
To centralize all infos at the same point, for all the community to read.
https://www.facebook.com/a1200housings

Again, thanks to all of you !
Without you, we can't make it happen...
and my miggy need a new case

Devlin · 11 July 2015, 15:12

Will there be cases made that are as close to the original form factor as possible, or will there just be one model with all the "creature comforts" of modified 1200s?

BigFan · 11 July 2015, 15:37

@amenophis

I'm not a lawyer but you are all wrong.
Amiga is not a trademark for hardware.
Amiga logo (checkmark and font used by Commodore before crash) are no longer registered signs, brands, trademarks, pictural trademarks. All expired in the years 2009 to 2015.
The logo used by Escom later (that with a red square) is still protected. Expires 2016 or so.
You may use the name Amiga to produce, sell, distribute or offer a license to do, for almost everything, except software, namely OS. Even bath tubes are sold under this name.
AInc has no rights or trademarks on electronic hardware or cases anymore.
And they are not entitled to license it to third party.
Hyper On has trademark for AmigaOS, but software is different.

You have to register Amiga as a computer accessory and sign, pictural trademark as used for A500 and early A1200 and it is yours then.

If possible, i suggest to contract a lawyer to do the copyright and trademark stuff for you.

Amiga1992 · 11 July 2015, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFan

If possible, i suggest to contract a lawyer to do the copyright and trademark stuff for you.

This. BigFan is right. This does not mean Amiga Inc. would not try to initiate action against use in a 1200 case, a lawyer will tell you exactly what's up.

amenophis · 11 July 2015, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFan

@amenophis

I'm not a lawyer but you are all wrong.
Amiga is not a trademark for hardware.
Amiga logo (checkmark and font used by Commodore before crash) are no longer registered signs, brands, trademarks, pictural trademarks. All expired in the years 2009 to 2015.
The logo used by Escom later (that with a red square) is still protected. Expires 2016 or so.
You may use the name Amiga to produce, sell, distribute or offer a license to do, for almost everything, except software, namely OS. Even bath tubes are sold under this name.
AInc has no rights or trademarks on electronic hardware or cases anymore.
And they are not entitled to license it to third party.
Hyper On has trademark for AmigaOS, but software is different.

You have to register Amiga as a computer accessory and sign, pictural trademark as used for A500 and early A1200 and it is yours then.

If possible, i suggest to contract a lawyer to do the copyright and trademark stuff for you.

Thanks for your interest in the matter BigFan, i do really appreciate.
I will not go into more details about licensing the word "AMIGA".
But yes, you're right when saying i'm wrong.. for a large matter of things indeed i am.

Some links:
http://www.amiga.com/sales/index.php?p=brand
http://www.amiga.com/about/contact/?...brandlicensing
http://de4.aminet.net/docs/misc/Amiga-Trademarks.pdf

The most important for us, is to actually bring these new housings to life.
Battle over text and possible licensing is not.
So we're not going that way. Thats all. We're not going to debate any further on this

I still need a new case for my beloved Miggy.

Thanks to all of you for your support.
From Amiga Fans to Amiga Fans,
#AmigaRulez

BigFan · 12 July 2015, 10:44

Quote:

So we're not going that way. Thats all. We're not going to debate any further on this

I still need a new case for my beloved Miggy.

Yes, i honor your efforts and your intension.

My concerns are, that most amigans (including me) are somewhat excentric.
The market is damn small, and the customers are "picky". An engraved logo
buffs acceptance greatly. If not, i fear you don't reach any kickstarter goal.
Production, shipment, distribution is all costly.
Any delay, production issues, loss in transit or whatever kind of shit happens
and you are the king of a dumping ground, deeply in debts.
(kickstarter does not cover cost of insurance, legal representitives or your work ).
I hope for you to be prepared.

Wish you all best

voyager_1701e · 12 July 2015, 12:53

Cmon guys...why all this negativity over the word on the case! I for one am happy we have the chance at a modern case!

I love the Amiga, but there is so many who are happy to chop a potential new piece of kit because its the wrong colour white, because it doesnt quite have enough ram or doesnt have an engraved word etc etc etc blah blah blah! The realities (I imagine), of low volume production of anything for the Amiga AND trying to suit everyone simply is a minefield for the person/entity trying to bring it to life!

The guys making this case happen have made it clear.....no word on the case. Lets get excited about what CAN be added!

Bring on the Kickstarter!

Mr.Flibble · 12 July 2015, 14:33

I'd be happy with blank cases in a range of colours, if it makes life easier and means that the project is more likely to happen.

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10 July 2015, 09:17	#23
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,553	Will there be that rectangle holding Commodore badge in the original cases? To let us stick the badge from our old yellowed cases?

10 July 2015, 12:14	#27
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,735	Threads merged.

11 July 2015, 15:12	#34
Devlin Bane of Magic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bradford, UK Age: 38 Posts: 335	Will there be cases made that are as close to the original form factor as possible, or will there just be one model with all the "creature comforts" of modified 1200s?

11 July 2015, 15:37	#35
BigFan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 261	@amenophis I'm not a lawyer but you are all wrong. Amiga is not a trademark for hardware. Amiga logo (checkmark and font used by Commodore before crash) are no longer registered signs, brands, trademarks, pictural trademarks. All expired in the years 2009 to 2015. The logo used by Escom later (that with a red square) is still protected. Expires 2016 or so. You may use the name Amiga to produce, sell, distribute or offer a license to do, for almost everything, except software, namely OS. Even bath tubes are sold under this name. AInc has no rights or trademarks on electronic hardware or cases anymore. And they are not entitled to license it to third party. Hyper On has trademark for AmigaOS, but software is different. You have to register Amiga as a computer accessory and sign, pictural trademark as used for A500 and early A1200 and it is yours then. If possible, i suggest to contract a lawyer to do the copyright and trademark stuff for you.

12 July 2015, 12:53	#39
voyager_1701e Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Maitland / AUSTRALIA Posts: 205	Cmon guys...why all this negativity over the word on the case! I for one am happy we have the chance at a modern case! I love the Amiga, but there is so many who are happy to chop a potential new piece of kit because its the wrong colour white, because it doesnt quite have enough ram or doesnt have an engraved word etc etc etc blah blah blah! The realities (I imagine), of low volume production of anything for the Amiga AND trying to suit everyone simply is a minefield for the person/entity trying to bring it to life! The guys making this case happen have made it clear.....no word on the case. Lets get excited about what CAN be added! Bring on the Kickstarter!

12 July 2015, 14:33	#40
Mr.Flibble Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK Posts: 472	I'd be happy with blank cases in a range of colours, if it makes life easier and means that the project is more likely to happen.

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