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Although I'm not sure it's the best genre, I think that there are quite a lot of good football management games. Premier Manager, Championship Manager, On The Ball, Super League Manager and Ultimate Soccer Manager are all great games.
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I'd say platformers, just over scrolling shooters.
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ah, the SEGA Saturn... I have one! with ~300 games ... the Shoot'em Ups are excellent! but the 3D capabilities are questionable, like on the amiga.... lol
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I think that both me and FromWithin spoke about the 3D capabilities of the Saturn before. Panzer Dragoon Saga is the answer!
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I have to disagree... at the end, it makes no difference if 1 or 2 SEGA software departments could really utilize the full saturn power... the bottom line is that noone else could, so the system silently died... I have a saturn and I love it, but the truth is that sadly...
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I think like Cody etc.. the Amiga excelled at to many areas for it to have a definitive "best" genre!
There were excellent shoot 'em ups, platformers, rpg, adventure, sport etc... besides FPS games I feel that there was little the Amiga could achieve compared to other machines of the day and I dare anyone to find a couple of genres where the Amiga consistently fell short or simply had no games that stood out as a classic! |
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Superforg, Lionheart, Flashback, Mr.Nutz, Soccer Kid, Turricans....
All great platformer, and at the time nothing on PC could comapre to them. I loved strategy games at the time, but all good games were already available on PC. |
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The Amigas strongest point was that it had a lot of very original games (although at the time I remember saying the same thing about the Spectrum in comparison to the Amiga). It never really excelled in one genre likes PCs do now (FPS, RPG, RTS) it all was just a good "all rounder" IMHO But not platformers. |
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Perhaps Akira could state which platformers he has in mind?
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25 January 2005, 22:03 | #33 |
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Yup, I'd like to see a "Best Amiga Games Ever" list that has one platformer in its top 10!
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I beg to differ. They all falled short of Sonic, but there were pretty excellent efforts.
I'll name a few: Mr. Nutz Ruff n Tumble Turrican II Wonderdog James Pond 3 Aladdin ...to name but a few. Truth is, in the consoles, the only two majorly excellent platform games were the Sonic and Mario sagas. The rest were all feeble wannabes, and falled short just as much as their Amiga counterparts. "Best Amiga games ever" lists are shit that will vary depending to each other, but you WILL see Turrican II in many of them. |
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Well I guess,as you say, it is down to personal opinion so there isn't much point arguing either way. However, although I did really enjoy games such as James Pond 2 and First Samuria I didn't have much incentive to go back.
However Rainbow Islands (a platformer) is one of my all-time favourite games, and The New Zealand Story, Bubble Bobble and Rodland are all excellent. I guess it depends on whether you only want to count Amiga specific games. If not then surely most people's fabbo list will include one of these titles? So, I am now kind of agreeing that platformers may be a strong contender |
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It doesn't make any sense but I think the best Amiga genre was Amiga-style games
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What I find amusing is that when people talk about platformers they tend to say "but it's no Mario" or "but it's on Sonic".
I say to them "well... then I challenge you to find anything that's as good as Mario or Sonic on their respective consoles, 'cause there aren't any there either." The only reason you didn't find these games on the Amiga is because of copyright issues. In other words, if you like platformers, be sure to only ever play Super Mario or Sonic, 'cause there are no reason to play anything else since they automatically rule out all other platformers just by existing. And for the record, that was sarcasm. The best genre? Well, I think the amiga excelled in just about every genre; Examples: Sports: SWOS, Kick Off, Speedball 2, Great Courts 2 Managers: SWOS (twice, eh), Player Manager, Premier Manager, Championship Manager Racing: Lotus, Super Cars, Stunt Car Racer, F1GP, Overdrive, Turbo Trax, ATR Platformers: James Pond II, Jim Power, Parasol Stars, James Pond III, Giana Sisters Action: Hired Guns, Chaos Engine, Dogs of War, Warzone, Midnight Resistance, Cannon Fodder, Syndicate, Ruff'n'Tumble, Assassin SHMUP: R-Type I-II, Project-X, Apidya RPG: Eye of the Beholder, Black Crypt, Elvira(?), Ambermoon Action/Adventures: Shadow of the Beast, Lionheart, Another World, Flashback, Pirates! Strategy: Dune II, Civilization, Colonization, Railroad Tycoon, The Settlers Adventures: Monkey Island, Leisure Suit Larry, Indiana Jones, Beneath a Steel Sky, Lure of the Temptress, Cruise for a Corpse, Operation Stealth... most LucasArts and Sierra titles. Multiplayer: Dynablaster, Moonstone Puzzle: Lemmings, Push Over, One Step Beyond Pinball: Dreams, Fantasies, Illusions, Slamtilt, Obsession, Brain Damage Sure, there are a lot of cross-platform titles, but does that matter? I think a computer/console should be praised for what it has, not what the other platforms doesn't have. |
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I happen to like Zool. In my opinion, it stands out easily and while it may have been marketed as one, I for one don't even remotely see any resemblence between Zool and Sonic. I think it's one of a kind, and a very playable and fun game.
Oh, and that's 9 FANTASTIC platformers on THREE different consoles. How can you even compare? And other than that, are you saying that there are no other platformers out there worth playing, other than Mario and Sonic? Because, I find that highly unlikely. I can think of plenty of FANTASTIC platformers for the Amiga (IMO); Zool (what the hell is so wrong about this game?), Trolls AGA, Giana Sisters (sure, a Mario clone, but very good nevertheless), Superfrog, James Pond II and III, Ruff'n'Tumble, Soccer Kid, Magic Pockets, Alladin, Prince of Persia, Putty, Global Gladiators, Rick Dangerous I and II, Fire and Ice, Brian the Lion, Parasol Stars, Rainbow Islands. Sure, there were people buying the Nintendo just for Mario. However, if the amiga was a console, and marketed as a console, I'm sure they'd run out and buy the Amiga 500 just to play James Pond II and Zool too. But it wasn't marketed as a console, and it wasn't meant for children with an interest for games, but for the same people that bought a PC. Not only was it marketed for a different market than the Mario and Sonic buyers, but it was also marketed badly... we know how Commodore messed up. So, the only reason people bought an amiga was because of it's incredibly powerful multimedia functions years before the PC, and because of technical abilities compared to anything else at that time. Seriously, if the amiga have such bad games, why the hell are we sitting here for? |
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