Which Graphics Card ? - Page 2

THX1138 · 18 January 2003, 19:54

Ok......i'm confused now,all i want to be able to do is have
a nice colourfull up to date workbench screen !

So what do i need to do to achieve this on 1 monitor ?

RetroMan · 18 January 2003, 22:10

Quote:

Originally posted by THX1138
Ok......i'm confused now,all i want to be able to do is have
a nice colourfull up to date workbench screen !

So what do i need to do to achieve this on 1 monitor ?

For THAT issue, you just need a SVGA Monitor

THX1138 · 24 January 2003, 22:23

right.....i have got my picollo card !

Put it in the machine,installed the software.....reset the computer

and.......

its starts booting up then crashes........hmmm

I did not get any cable for this card with it.......so what actually
do i need ?

Also....should the card work in the amiga with no cable any way or not ?

Also...will this card work with only a 68000 cpu or not ?

Korodny · 25 January 2003, 03:01

Quote:

right.....i have got my picollo card !

Put it in the machine,installed the software.....reset the computer

and.......

its starts booting up then crashes........hmmm

You need to give more details:

1. what version of AmigaOS is installed on your A1500?
2. what driver software are you using for the card (the one shipped with it/CyberGFX/Picasso96)?
3. what exactly does "it crashes" mean? Be as precise as possible

Quote:

Also....should the card work in the amiga with no cable any way or not ?

Yes, it should.

Quote:

Also...will this card work with only a 68000 cpu or not ?

The card: Yes. The driver software: Probably not (depends on what you're using, see above). The driver software supplied with the picollo requires an 68020.

Check this review from Aminet to get some more information.

THX1138 · 25 January 2003, 10:29

A1500 = 3.1 kickstart & 3.1 Workbench

Ok......put my 030 combo accelerator back in and the system
and it now boots up !

Plugged in an svga monitor into the back of it.....disconnected
the amiga monitor from the A1500's video port and the display
popped up onto the svga monitor !

On the svga monitor,the display looks very grey and dull ?

The only drivers i have installed are the 4 disks that came with
the picollo card 1,2,3 & TvPaint.

If i was not using this card on an svga monitor but on my 1084s
instead......what benefits would i get from this additional grahics card ?

Severin · 25 January 2003, 14:14

Quote:

Originally posted by THX1138

If i was not using this card on an svga monitor but on my 1084s

instead......what benefits would i get from this additional grahics card ?

One benefit would be a dead 1084s (assuming you could actually plug it into the gfx card)

using the svga:

The major benefits you will get are size and speed, you can have a 800x600 (maybe even 1024x768) 65,000ish colour screen that is as fast as an aga 640x256 16 colour screen.

You can also use 'laced' sized screens without flicker...

As for your 'dull' appearance, play with the monitor's settings...

gunatm · 25 January 2003, 14:58

I´m using a piccolo sd64, which is a zorro2/3 autosensing-card. For the ecs modes i´m using a scandoubler. The signal from the scandoubler goes into the piccolo sd64 and from there to the monitor. So i can use the amiga modes and the graphiccard on one monitor. Quite nice!

THX1138 · 25 January 2003, 15:38

Gunatm.......what drivers are you using with your card ?

THX1138 · 25 January 2003, 22:27

Can you tell me if Cybergraphx and picasso 96 are replacement
drivers for the original one's that came with my graphics card ?

Do i install one of these instead of the one's that came
with the graphics card ?

Which is better.....picasso 96 or CybergraphX ?

RetroMan · 25 January 2003, 22:48

P96 and CybergraphX are indeed replacements for the original Drivers .... but they are also required for most games/apps to work flawlessly

I got an EGS-Spectrum 28/24 gfx card which works with both, P96 and CGFX ... all I can say is, the CGFX Drivers are a bit faster but P96 is slightly more compatible to newer games/apps

For the WB itself, it may not have any effect if you use CGFX or P96

THX1138 · 26 January 2003, 10:44

But you would reccomend installing one of these rather
than the one's that came with my card ?

My card supports EGS so does Cybergraphx & Picasso 96
support this as well ?

Quote:

I got an EGS-Spectrum 28/24 gfx card which works with both, P96 and CGFX

I think i just answered the above question.....hahaha

RetroMan · 26 January 2003, 16:37

EGS Drivers are crap

For me I installed the P96 Drivers

THX1138 · 26 January 2003, 16:53

I just tried to install the picasso96 drivers,but when u reboot
the machine it stops with a requester window saying :

"Error in Devs:Monitors /Picollo "
"Program failed (error #80000003)"

RetroMan · 26 January 2003, 20:14

Just be sure you killed EVERY single file from previous driver installations, two gfx drivers are not very good working together at the same time

after that, try the installation routine again

THX1138 · 26 January 2003, 20:22

I removed Picasso 96 & installed CyberGraphX but this
had exactly the same problem ?

I took everything off and installed 3.1 and then picasso96,
and still it won't boot up.....still says there's a software
failure.

RetroMan · 26 January 2003, 23:38

Then it *could* be a Hardware problem

Just try the Picollo in another ZII Slot

Maybe some out there has a Picollo Card and can help you better here

THX1138 · 27 January 2003, 16:39

Hmmmm......don't think it was anything to do with the Picollo
card after all.

The problem was that i didn't have my memory
board connected to my accelerator board.

As soon as i done this the system booted up ok !
Although it boots up ok the system is crashing all the time.....

Didn't think this would make any difference as my scsi controller
has got 8 meg installed on it anyway ?

Don't think my acclerator board can use the 8mb on my scsi
controller as they are not GVP simms ?

System specs:

A1500
Revision 6.xx
1 meg chip ram
3.1 Kickstart

GVP Impact II Series 2000 HC+8 (8mb installed)

GVP A3000 030 @ 50 mhz accelerator card

GVP A3001 memory board with 4 x 1mb GVP simms installed

Picollo Graphics card (don't know if this is 1mb or 2mb ?)

The problem is i don't know if the accelerator board is setup
properly.The reason i think this is because 4mb on the memory
board seems to only work with the acclerator at 36mhz ?

The accelerator board will work at 50 mhz if the memory
board is removed.

When the memory board is removed,the speed test from sysinfo reports horrible results....but when the memory board is attached
it reports 6700.

I have look at the jumper setting spec sheet on this card
but i don't really understand it.

I am able to switch between the 2 modes 36mhz & 50 mhz
because there are 2 occilators on the board.

Does this make sense to anybody out there ?

Can anyone help me ?

26 January 2003, 16:53	#33
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	I just tried to install the picasso96 drivers,but when u reboot the machine it stops with a requester window saying : "Error in Devs:Monitors /Picollo " "Program failed (error #80000003)" Last edited by THX1138; 26 January 2003 at 17:37.

26 January 2003, 20:22	#35
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	I removed Picasso 96 & installed CyberGraphX but this had exactly the same problem ? I took everything off and installed 3.1 and then picasso96, and still it won't boot up.....still says there's a software failure. Last edited by THX1138; 26 January 2003 at 20:52.

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18 January 2003, 19:54	#21
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	Ok......i'm confused now,all i want to be able to do is have a nice colourfull up to date workbench screen ! So what do i need to do to achieve this on 1 monitor ?

24 January 2003, 22:23	#23
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	right.....i have got my picollo card ! Put it in the machine,installed the software.....reset the computer and....... its starts booting up then crashes........hmmm I did not get any cable for this card with it.......so what actually do i need ? Also....should the card work in the amiga with no cable any way or not ? Also...will this card work with only a 68000 cpu or not ?

25 January 2003, 10:29	#25
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	A1500 = 3.1 kickstart & 3.1 Workbench Ok......put my 030 combo accelerator back in and the system and it now boots up ! Plugged in an svga monitor into the back of it.....disconnected the amiga monitor from the A1500's video port and the display popped up onto the svga monitor ! On the svga monitor,the display looks very grey and dull ? The only drivers i have installed are the 4 disks that came with the picollo card 1,2,3 & TvPaint. If i was not using this card on an svga monitor but on my 1084s instead......what benefits would i get from this additional grahics card ?

25 January 2003, 14:58	#27
gunatm Retronerd Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Hamburg (Germany) Age: 49 Posts: 88	I´m using a piccolo sd64, which is a zorro2/3 autosensing-card. For the ecs modes i´m using a scandoubler. The signal from the scandoubler goes into the piccolo sd64 and from there to the monitor. So i can use the amiga modes and the graphiccard on one monitor. Quite nice!

25 January 2003, 15:38	#28
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	Gunatm.......what drivers are you using with your card ?

25 January 2003, 22:27	#29
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	Can you tell me if Cybergraphx and picasso 96 are replacement drivers for the original one's that came with my graphics card ? Do i install one of these instead of the one's that came with the graphics card ? Which is better.....picasso 96 or CybergraphX ?

25 January 2003, 22:48	#30
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	P96 and CybergraphX are indeed replacements for the original Drivers .... but they are also required for most games/apps to work flawlessly I got an EGS-Spectrum 28/24 gfx card which works with both, P96 and CGFX ... all I can say is, the CGFX Drivers are a bit faster but P96 is slightly more compatible to newer games/apps For the WB itself, it may not have any effect if you use CGFX or P96

26 January 2003, 16:37	#32
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	EGS Drivers are crap For me I installed the P96 Drivers

26 January 2003, 20:14	#34
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	Just be sure you killed EVERY single file from previous driver installations, two gfx drivers are not very good working together at the same time after that, try the installation routine again

26 January 2003, 23:38	#36
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	Then it could be a Hardware problem Just try the Picollo in another ZII Slot Maybe some out there has a Picollo Card and can help you better here

27 January 2003, 16:39	#37
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 526	Hmmmm......don't think it was anything to do with the Picollo card after all. The problem was that i didn't have my memory board connected to my accelerator board. As soon as i done this the system booted up ok ! Although it boots up ok the system is crashing all the time..... Didn't think this would make any difference as my scsi controller has got 8 meg installed on it anyway ? Don't think my acclerator board can use the 8mb on my scsi controller as they are not GVP simms ? System specs: A1500 Revision 6.xx 1 meg chip ram 3.1 Kickstart GVP Impact II Series 2000 HC+8 (8mb installed) GVP A3000 030 @ 50 mhz accelerator card GVP A3001 memory board with 4 x 1mb GVP simms installed Picollo Graphics card (don't know if this is 1mb or 2mb ?) The problem is i don't know if the accelerator board is setup properly.The reason i think this is because 4mb on the memory board seems to only work with the acclerator at 36mhz ? The accelerator board will work at 50 mhz if the memory board is removed. When the memory board is removed,the speed test from sysinfo reports horrible results....but when the memory board is attached it reports 6700. I have look at the jumper setting spec sheet on this card but i don't really understand it. I am able to switch between the 2 modes 36mhz & 50 mhz because there are 2 occilators on the board. Does this make sense to anybody out there ? Can anyone help me ?

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