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daxb · 09 October 2018, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by AC/DC HACKER!

Also, wondering, is a GUI planned?

You can use http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/Argue and/or http://aminet.net/package/util/cli/r to get a MUI GUI for command line programs.

Overmann · 09 October 2018, 16:01

There is one thing I'm still a little unclear on, is the rom-file that comes with the download compatible with normal 27C400 EPROM's like the old ones? Can I buy the download version and burn my own roms and it'll work or have they come up with something new and fancy so that's not an option any more?

HanSolo · 09 October 2018, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romanujan

I have purchased the 3.1.4 (for now two licenses...), and I'm going to integrate these with my current installation. But I've got some questions regarding patches I use - do I still need them, or are some of them already integrated with 3.1.4? For some I have found answers in the FAQ or other threads, for others I have no idea yet:

- IntAckFix - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BK_IntAckFix
- RangerMem - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/bk_rangercheck
- BetterOpenLibs - http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/BetterOpenLibs
- TagLiFE - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/TagLiFE
- BlazeWCP - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/Blazewcp
- FBlit - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/fblit, http://cosmosamiga.free.fr/download/...library.readme, http://cosmosamiga.free.fr/download/fblit_library.lha
- FText - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/FText
- CpuBlit - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CpuBlit
- copymem speedup patches

And - is there any way to get the updated expansion.library for creating my own custom ROM (for emulation / FPGA / maprom usage)?

Could someone explain this?

Amon_RA · 09 October 2018, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overmann

There is one thing I'm still a little unclear on, is the rom-file that comes with the download compatible with normal 27C400 EPROM's like the old ones? Can I buy the download version and burn my own roms and it'll work or have they come up with something new and fancy so that's not an option any more?

Yes, it comes with both a maprom rom file (in case you want to kick it via your accelerator) and a rom bin file which you can burn on a normal 27C400. I tested both and they work just fine.

duga · 09 October 2018, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by esel

If you have AGA you can use enter to switch it to 31 KHZ

Why not supported by ECS?

esel · 09 October 2018, 17:59

I dont know ask the Developer..

bubbob42 · 09 October 2018, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overmann

There is one thing I'm still a little unclear on, is the rom-file that comes with the download compatible with normal 27C400 EPROM's like the old ones? Can I buy the download version and burn my own roms and it'll work or have they come up with something new and fancy so that's not an option any more?

27C400(0)'s are fine. Just burn them.

shaf · 09 October 2018, 19:04

It's getting tough to source 27C400's DigiKey, and Mouser have none, Had to get then from EPAY.

AC/DC HACKER! · 09 October 2018, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by daxb

You can use http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/Argue and/or http://aminet.net/package/util/cli/r to get a MUI GUI for command line programs.

Funny commentary in the first readme about anger towards CLI. Amiga, first one, I think, "Yup, we have a program for that." before today's, "We got an app for that.". I considered looking soon. Appreciate the heads up.

@ Olaf Barthel

I figured because it is included on floppy that would be the answer, but..asked anyway. You could crunch it. (Hmm?) I personally am very cool with CLI; I was thinking about others. When you're doing a lot of testing and checking...the above, appreciate the find baxb, there looks like an answer. If you do...it could be released on Aminet and people who like to build/modify their floppies could then add it.. But last thing to do, of course.

gulliver · 09 October 2018, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romanujan

I have purchased the 3.1.4 (for now two licenses...), and I'm going to integrate these with my current installation. But I've got some questions regarding patches I use - do I still need them, or are some of them already integrated with 3.1.4? For some I have found answers in the FAQ or other threads, for others I have no idea yet:

- IntAckFix - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BK_IntAckFix
- RangerMem - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/bk_rangercheck
- BetterOpenLibs - http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/BetterOpenLibs
- TagLiFE - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/TagLiFE
- BlazeWCP - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/Blazewcp
- FBlit - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/fblit, http://cosmosamiga.free.fr/download/...library.readme, http://cosmosamiga.free.fr/download/fblit_library.lha
- FText - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/FText
- CpuBlit - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CpuBlit
- copymem speedup patches

And - is there any way to get the updated expansion.library for creating my own custom ROM (for emulation / FPGA / maprom usage)?

Okay lets make it quick, I have to get lunch

:

IntAckFix and RangerMem have been already incorporated. So no need to use them.

BetterOpenLibs depends on your liking as it missbehaves under some circumstances. When it works it is cool though.

TagLiFE is not needed.

BlazeWCP: whilst the chunky to planar conversions have been improved since 3.1/3.5/3.9 days, still it might offer a marginal speedup.

FBlit and FText are only of use on native graphics. If you are using a gfx card, forget about them. Make sure you configure them correctly.

CpuBlit: Isn't this basically the same as FText?

copymem speedup patches: there are quite a lot of implementations of these. I suggest you test them first. I cant remember which, but one of them had a sort of benchmark program. Try it with the different implementations to see which one is better for you.

Romanujan · 09 October 2018, 20:21

Thanks, gulliver - this helped a lot!

indigolemon · 09 October 2018, 20:37

Apologies for the long post, just want to make sure I cover everything I did.

So - another odd thing I've just stumbled across relating to 3.1.4. I burnt the ROM's for my A1200, and spent some time earlier this evening installing them. I tested all was well, getting the floppy disk insert screen, etc, and then began re-assembling things in my tower.

I re-installed the Mediator board, and before inserting any cards, checked it all appeared in the 'Expansion Board Diagnostic' screen. It was as I expected to find, three entries - two for the Mediator, one for the Blizzard 1260. At that, I re-inserted my PCI cards and fired the machine up. That was when it got strange.

Initially the machine wouldn't complete a boot, so I stripped back my LoadModule line (no need to be so long when most of the goodness is already in ROM) and removed LoadIDE from the startup sequence also. This got me further, and eventually I was getting a Workbench screen, but only on the native chipset. Some checks at this point revealed the PCI bus was effectively missing. Assuming I'd dislodged something I spent some time cleaning and re-installing all the cards, and the Mediator itself. Same result.

I then went for just the Mediator installed on its own again. Cold boot, three cards in Expansion Board Diagnostic, as expected:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/tfuZtVDWbyRUzM3N6

If I then invoked a warm reboot (A+A+Ctrl) and went immediately back into Expansion Board Diagnostic, I lost one of the Mediator entries:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FjuGQ1sYnZbjv7eA7

Assuming I'd somehow damaged the Mediator, I stripped everything down *again* but could see no damage. On a whim, I reinstalled my Eyetech(!) 3.1 ROMs from the days of old, re-inserted the Mediator, and the issue was gone. No matter what I did, I always had the three entries (as expected).

I'm not 100% sure if it's something I should be mentioning here, or something that Elbox need to be made aware of, but whatever this issue is caused by - I'm back on 3.1 ROMs for now.

I should add, I'm happy to provide any information, or do any testing, if it would help get to the bottom of this.

Cheers, and good work if you read all this!

Graham

Rixa · 09 October 2018, 20:37

Are there currently ways to replace the intuition.library in the ROM file? I'd like to eliminate the extra loadmodule boot, and blizkick doesn't seem to want to load the new intuition.library for some reason.

desiv · 09 October 2018, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rixa

Are there currently ways to replace the intuition.library in the ROM file? I'd like to eliminate the extra loadmodule boot, and blizkick doesn't seem to want to load the new intuition.library for some reason.

I haven't looked at it yet (no ROM burner, although I could/might do it to create a maprom for my ACA), but in theory, I think you could use RomSplit and Remus to create the new ROM.
http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/flash.html
(This link looks to have more info on the process: http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...-(incl-1MB-ROM) )

SnkBitten · 09 October 2018, 23:27

Current version of RomSplit doesn't recognize the 3.1.4 kickstart so you can't separate the modules to build a custom version yet.

desiv · 09 October 2018, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnkBitten

Current version of RomSplit doesn't recognize the 3.1.4 kickstart so you can't separate the modules to build a custom version yet.

D'oh!
Thanx for the info..

AC/DC HACKER! · 10 October 2018, 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by indigolemon

[...]

Assuming I'd somehow damaged the Mediator, I stripped everything down *again* but could see no damage. On a whim, I reinstalled my Eyetech(!) 3.1 ROMs from the days of old, re-inserted the Mediator, and the issue was gone. No matter what I did, I always had the three entries (as expected).

I'm not 100% sure if it's something I should be mentioning here, or something that Elbox need to be made aware of, but whatever this issue is caused by - I'm back on 3.1 ROMs for now.

I should add, I'm happy to provide any information, or do any testing, if it would help get to the bottom of this.

Cheers, and good work if you read all this!

Graham

Probably won't make any difference, but I'm curious about what happens if you BlizKick 3.1.4 while using 3.1 ROMs. If Mediator doesn't show, or you still "loose" an entry, does it actually function? Worth a shot..? I've seen interesting things happen, maybe this would be one?

Overmann · 10 October 2018, 10:51

I wonder why they haven't released the release notes. Even writing "320K of release notes" and not release the release notes! It's baffling to me. And the explenation "it's not common to release release notes" or "it's not normal practice in the amiga community" is borderline Trumpian.

I just wonder why their not releasing them. What could be in the release notes that are worth hiding?

indigolemon · 10 October 2018, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by AC/DC HACKER!

Probably won't make any difference, but I'm curious about what happens if you BlizKick 3.1.4 while using 3.1 ROMs. If Mediator doesn't show, or you still "loose" an entry, does it actually function? Worth a shot..? I've seen interesting things happen, maybe this would be one?

Not a bad shout, by the time I got it back up and running yesterday I was done with it for a while. I'll try and give BlizKick a go over the next few days

kolla · 10 October 2018, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnkBitten

Current version of RomSplit doesn't recognize the 3.1.4 kickstart so you can't separate the modules to build a custom version yet.

I just grab modules from the Modules ADF - silly me

Some seem to be missing there though, such as newer scsi.device

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09 October 2018, 16:01	#202
Overmann Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Location: Norway Posts: 379	There is one thing I'm still a little unclear on, is the rom-file that comes with the download compatible with normal 27C400 EPROM's like the old ones? Can I buy the download version and burn my own roms and it'll work or have they come up with something new and fancy so that's not an option any more?

09 October 2018, 17:59	#206
esel Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Kassel Posts: 160	I dont know ask the Developer..

09 October 2018, 19:04	#208
shaf Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Toronto / Canada Posts: 237	It's getting tough to source 27C400's DigiKey, and Mouser have none, Had to get then from EPAY.

09 October 2018, 20:21	#211
Romanujan Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szczecin/Poland Posts: 424	Thanks, gulliver - this helped a lot!

09 October 2018, 20:37	#212
indigolemon Bit Copying Bard Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Kelty, Fife, Scotland Age: 41 Posts: 1,293	Apologies for the long post, just want to make sure I cover everything I did. So - another odd thing I've just stumbled across relating to 3.1.4. I burnt the ROM's for my A1200, and spent some time earlier this evening installing them. I tested all was well, getting the floppy disk insert screen, etc, and then began re-assembling things in my tower. I re-installed the Mediator board, and before inserting any cards, checked it all appeared in the 'Expansion Board Diagnostic' screen. It was as I expected to find, three entries - two for the Mediator, one for the Blizzard 1260. At that, I re-inserted my PCI cards and fired the machine up. That was when it got strange. Initially the machine wouldn't complete a boot, so I stripped back my LoadModule line (no need to be so long when most of the goodness is already in ROM) and removed LoadIDE from the startup sequence also. This got me further, and eventually I was getting a Workbench screen, but only on the native chipset. Some checks at this point revealed the PCI bus was effectively missing. Assuming I'd dislodged something I spent some time cleaning and re-installing all the cards, and the Mediator itself. Same result. I then went for just the Mediator installed on its own again. Cold boot, three cards in Expansion Board Diagnostic, as expected: https://photos.app.goo.gl/tfuZtVDWbyRUzM3N6 If I then invoked a warm reboot (A+A+Ctrl) and went immediately back into Expansion Board Diagnostic, I lost one of the Mediator entries: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FjuGQ1sYnZbjv7eA7 Assuming I'd somehow damaged the Mediator, I stripped everything down again but could see no damage. On a whim, I reinstalled my Eyetech(!) 3.1 ROMs from the days of old, re-inserted the Mediator, and the issue was gone. No matter what I did, I always had the three entries (as expected). I'm not 100% sure if it's something I should be mentioning here, or something that Elbox need to be made aware of, but whatever this issue is caused by - I'm back on 3.1 ROMs for now. I should add, I'm happy to provide any information, or do any testing, if it would help get to the bottom of this. Cheers, and good work if you read all this! Graham

09 October 2018, 20:37	#213
Rixa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampere / Finland Posts: 127	Are there currently ways to replace the intuition.library in the ROM file? I'd like to eliminate the extra loadmodule boot, and blizkick doesn't seem to want to load the new intuition.library for some reason.

09 October 2018, 23:27	#215
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 782	Current version of RomSplit doesn't recognize the 3.1.4 kickstart so you can't separate the modules to build a custom version yet.

10 October 2018, 10:51	#218
Overmann Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Location: Norway Posts: 379	I wonder why they haven't released the release notes. Even writing "320K of release notes" and not release the release notes! It's baffling to me. And the explenation "it's not common to release release notes" or "it's not normal practice in the amiga community" is borderline Trumpian. I just wonder why their not releasing them. What could be in the release notes that are worth hiding?

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