Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 107

grelbfarlk · 06 June 2018, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by starship

Hi
What is the value of the R62 ? ( smd resistor on the board )

I'm assuming you're talking about the Sonnet? I only have blurry pictures to go off of but it looks like a zero ohm resistor. I would suggest verifying that elsewhere if you're doing what I think you're doing.

starship · 06 June 2018, 13:18

Thank you.

Any sonnet 7200 G4 user here?

Hedeon · 06 June 2018, 14:07

Not me. Using different G4 cards.

Hedeon · 06 June 2018, 14:50

Major update in the works. Not for current users, though. Neither A1200 related.

starship · 06 June 2018, 16:12

If I change my g3 with mpc7410, will I get any trouble on software side on sonnet? ( powerpc.library )

trixster · 06 June 2018, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Major update in the works. Not for current users, though. Neither A1200 related.

Son of Rapture??!!

Hedeon · 06 June 2018, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by starship

If I change my g3 with mpc7410, will I get any trouble on software side on sonnet? ( powerpc.library )

Not regarding software. Maybe regarding power (stability) which can be solved anyway if you're handy.

starship · 06 June 2018, 19:50

I changed the g3 with mpc7410RX500LE

I dont know the value but I added 390 ohm to R62.

Initppc adds sonnet ram to system but when I click to any ppc software nothing is happening.

note: now it says powerpc cpu posibly crushed during setup.

grelbfarlk · 06 June 2018, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by starship

I changed the g3 with mpc7410RX500LE

I dont know the value but I added 390 ohm to R62.

Initppc adds sonnet ram to system but when I click to any ppc software nothing is happening.

Did you try 0 ohm? Or just a jumper wire?

Does getinfo run?

starship · 06 June 2018, 20:29

I tried now a jumping wire. same

Hedeon · 06 June 2018, 20:31

Dunno. You can look using a memory monitor whether the zero page is set up correctly. But the memory is actually set up by the PPC so it should be running. You are vague on ''nothing happening''. A hang or return to prompt when using CLI PPC programs?

It looks like no interrupts are generated by the north bridge.

grelbfarlk · 06 June 2018, 20:38

I would suggest clocking it down to 400MHz temporarily to eliminate power issues.

starship · 06 June 2018, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Dunno. You can look using a memory monitor whether the zero page is set up correctly. But the memory is actually set up by the PPC so it should be running. You are vague on ''nothing happening''. A hang or return to prompt when using CLI PPC programs?

It looks like no interrupts are generated by the north bridge.

no hang or no prompt. nothing is coming when I clicking.
Maybe I couldnt attach the cpu.

starship · 06 June 2018, 20:54

Q1 burned with short wire on R62.
This dream is over.
Thank you for helping guys...

grelbfarlk · 06 June 2018, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by starship

Q1 burned with short wire on R62.
This dream is over.
Thank you for helping guys...

Uh you're welcome ...

Looks like the 4410 MOSFET just blew, probably too much power for her. I guess we know why Sonnet never released G4s faster than 450MHz- or we don't know anything. Other than don't listen to me.

nexus · 07 June 2018, 02:10

7410 does not support 3.3v IO on L2 cache
also the HRESET is different

https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/application-note/AN1812.pdf

grelbfarlk · 07 June 2018, 03:05

The top pad of R62 goes to OVDD at T5.
The bottom pad of R62 goes to K13, VOLTDET.

The VOLTDET pin position on the MPC750 360 BGA package is now an L2OVDD pin on the MPC7410 360 package.
Also
11. The VOLTDET pin position on the MPC750 360-CBGA package is now an L2OVDD pin on the MPC7400 360-CBGA package.

So L2OVDD got tied to OVDD, I guess. Which I believe are different, one is 2.5V the other is 2.2V or something like that.

From 7400 manual:
3. To allow for future I/O voltage changes, provide the option to connect BVSEL and L2VSEL independently to either
OVDD (selects 3.3v), OGND (selects 1.8v), or to HRESET (selects 2.5v). The Processor bus and L2 bus support all 3
options. (See Table 2. Input Threshold Voltage Setting)

Same for 7410:
To allow for future I/O voltage changes, provide the option to connect BVSEL and L2VSEL independently to either OVDD,
GND, HRESET, or ¬HRESET. For the MPC7410 the L2 bus only supports 2.5- and 1.8-V options. The default selection, if
L2VSEL is left unconnected, is 2.5-V operation. For the MPC7410 the processor bus supports 3.3-, 2.5-, and 1.8-V options.
The default selection, if BVSEL is left unconnected, is 3.3-V operation. Refer to Table 2 for supported BVSEL and L2VSEL
settings.

BVSEL is pin W1. Which appears to be connected to B6 or HRESET. Which should be 2.5V.

Take this with a pound of salt.

nexus · 07 June 2018, 04:00

just fyi sonnet used a 7400 on the G4 model also the bus is limited to 66mhz on that TSI107 on sonnet as its the slowest version

grelbfarlk · 09 June 2018, 00:10

Happy Friday, new Dosbox_WOS 0.74 in the Zone. Faster, which is still really not very fast and with probably fresh bugs. Except in fullscreen, fullscreen is loads slower than windowed.

Wrangler · 09 June 2018, 21:36

Uncle grelbfarlk, any chance of a new version of freecraft? Oh please oh please!

06 June 2018, 19:50	#2128
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 213	I changed the g3 with mpc7410RX500LE I dont know the value but I added 390 ohm to R62. Initppc adds sonnet ram to system but when I click to any ppc software nothing is happening. note: now it says powerpc cpu posibly crushed during setup. Last edited by starship; 13 October 2019 at 14:56.

06 June 2018, 20:54	#2134
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 213	Q1 burned with short wire on R62. This dream is over. Thank you for helping guys... Last edited by starship; 13 October 2019 at 14:56.

07 June 2018, 02:10	#2136
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	7410 does not support 3.3v IO on L2 cache also the HRESET is different https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/application-note/AN1812.pdf Last edited by nexus; 07 June 2018 at 02:33.

07 June 2018, 03:05	#2137
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,944	The top pad of R62 goes to OVDD at T5. The bottom pad of R62 goes to K13, VOLTDET. The VOLTDET pin position on the MPC750 360 BGA package is now an L2OVDD pin on the MPC7410 360 package. Also 11. The VOLTDET pin position on the MPC750 360-CBGA package is now an L2OVDD pin on the MPC7400 360-CBGA package. So L2OVDD got tied to OVDD, I guess. Which I believe are different, one is 2.5V the other is 2.2V or something like that. From 7400 manual: 3. To allow for future I/O voltage changes, provide the option to connect BVSEL and L2VSEL independently to either OVDD (selects 3.3v), OGND (selects 1.8v), or to HRESET (selects 2.5v). The Processor bus and L2 bus support all 3 options. (See Table 2. Input Threshold Voltage Setting) Same for 7410: To allow for future I/O voltage changes, provide the option to connect BVSEL and L2VSEL independently to either OVDD, GND, HRESET, or ¬HRESET. For the MPC7410 the L2 bus only supports 2.5- and 1.8-V options. The default selection, if L2VSEL is left unconnected, is 2.5-V operation. For the MPC7410 the processor bus supports 3.3-, 2.5-, and 1.8-V options. The default selection, if BVSEL is left unconnected, is 3.3-V operation. Refer to Table 2 for supported BVSEL and L2VSEL settings. BVSEL is pin W1. Which appears to be connected to B6 or HRESET. Which should be 2.5V. Take this with a pound of salt. Last edited by grelbfarlk; 07 June 2018 at 03:17.

07 June 2018, 04:00	#2138
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	just fyi sonnet used a 7400 on the G4 model also the bus is limited to 66mhz on that TSI107 on sonnet as its the slowest version Last edited by nexus; 07 June 2018 at 04:05.

06 June 2018, 13:18	#2122
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 213	Thank you. Any sonnet 7200 G4 user here?

06 June 2018, 14:07	#2123
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,028	Not me. Using different G4 cards.

06 June 2018, 14:50	#2124
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,028	Major update in the works. Not for current users, though. Neither A1200 related.

06 June 2018, 16:12	#2125
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 213	If I change my g3 with mpc7410, will I get any trouble on software side on sonnet? ( powerpc.library )

06 June 2018, 20:29	#2130
starship Registered User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: turkiye Posts: 213	I tried now a jumping wire. same

06 June 2018, 20:31	#2131
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,028	Dunno. You can look using a memory monitor whether the zero page is set up correctly. But the memory is actually set up by the PPC so it should be running. You are vague on ''nothing happening''. A hang or return to prompt when using CLI PPC programs? It looks like no interrupts are generated by the north bridge.

06 June 2018, 20:38	#2132
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,944	I would suggest clocking it down to 400MHz temporarily to eliminate power issues.

09 June 2018, 00:10	#2139
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,944	Happy Friday, new Dosbox_WOS 0.74 in the Zone. Faster, which is still really not very fast and with probably fresh bugs. Except in fullscreen, fullscreen is loads slower than windowed. Last edited by grelbfarlk; 09 June 2018 at 01:11.

09 June 2018, 21:36	#2140
Wrangler Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London, UK Posts: 415	Uncle grelbfarlk, any chance of a new version of freecraft? Oh please oh please!

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