Zeus68k – Accelerator/IDE/RAM for the A500/2000/CDTV and others - Page 7

mr.vince · 17 August 2012, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by luncheon

Besides that, it would be interesting to know how many space is left on the FPGA to implement additional expansion hardware.

Using more features would mean having more IOs. Zeus68k uses _all_ of them, there is not a single pin unused. Within these boundaries, you can do whatever you like. Whatever control you would like to have... you have an FPGA between the board, the processor and the RAM. That's why there are so many features already in it.

1time · 18 August 2012, 20:15

My A1200 will be jealous!!

AmigaDave · 24 August 2012, 05:30

7 plus pages of messages about this project. Can anyone summarize where it stands now and what I have to do to get on the list of people who wants to order one for my CDTV?

Any pictures of how it will fit into the CDTV available anywhere?

Is there a website for this project setup somewhere already?

Sorry I didn't have time to look through all 7 pages of messages here on this topic.

Phantom · 24 August 2012, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.vince

68SEC000 CPU running at 7 or 50 MHz

Is this selectable?

Anyhow, I would be interested in one for my CDTV actually, if it fits (because of the cover).

Gounderset · 24 August 2012, 15:34

Im also wery interested to see if this will fit in the CDTV

I guess you will have to move the capacitor close to the cpu socket.

Geir Ove

kipper2k · 24 August 2012, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.vince

[/list] Yes, of course.

No, as it's been made for an 68k DIL socket.

It should work in all devices that have a DIL socket. .

a nice little adapter could fix it to allow it to sit inside an A600

mr.vince · 25 August 2012, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaDave

7 plus pages of messages about this project. Can anyone summarize where it stands now and what I have to do to get on the list of people who wants to order one for my CDTV?

Any pictures of how it will fit into the CDTV available anywhere?

Is there a website for this project setup somewhere already?

Sorry I didn't have time to look through all 7 pages of messages here on this topic.

Three boards have been built. Currently software is being refined.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom

Is this selectable?

Anyhow, I would be interested in one for my CDTV actually, if it fits (because of the cover).

Yes, different speed settings, Kickstart and other stuff are available from the boot menu.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gounderset

Im also wery interested to see if this will fit in the CDTV

I guess you will have to move the capacitor close to the cpu socket.

Geir Ove

Exactly. One capacitor will need to be "updated". These caps are nearly dead anyway, so replacing them (and picking a smaller one with same values for this one) is a good thing anyway...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kipper2k

a nice little adapter could fix it to allow it to sit inside an A600

Yes but might be a space problem. We might do another production run for
A600... If there is interest and we can source socket adapters.

gibs · 25 August 2012, 12:51

I want one of the three !!!

Lord Aga · 25 August 2012, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.vince

Yes, different speed settings, Kickstart and other stuff are available from the boot menu.

Feel free to use the profile names I suggested earlier

AmigaDave · 26 August 2012, 12:26

Thanks mr. vince for the summary and extra info.

Please put me on any list you might have as someone who is interested in buying at least one of these accelerators.

I will try to visit this thread more often to see if there is any new information available.

BvdW · 31 August 2012, 17:23

Ooohhh.. want! Definitely! Does this fit into a rev 5 A500?

mr.vince · 31 August 2012, 20:00

It's an A 500... right?

Charlie · 31 August 2012, 20:42

Ooo, fantastic bit of kit. Well done those developers! :-D

Please count me in for one. (A500+ just in case it matters)

BvdW · 04 September 2012, 23:17

Count me in, but only if it fits together with an indivison ECS.

chiemsee · 05 September 2012, 11:28

Count me in to! Great work!

jezryladar · 05 September 2012, 13:42

Nice! im intrested in one.

grobda · 05 September 2012, 16:11

+1 to the interest list... +2 if it will work with an ST

price dependent...

1time · 05 September 2012, 16:41

Any new pictures of the board or the progress?

Reborn · 05 September 2012, 21:09

Nice piece of hardware! Interested in two if the price will be reasonable.

mr.vince · 05 September 2012, 22:10

Anyone willing to make a guess about the little hardware sitting there in the back of this A500, with the Zeus68k installed over it?

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BarryB · 05 September 2012, 22:29

YAY!!! It's an Indi ECS

mr.vince · 05 September 2012, 22:33

See, that's progress.

BarryB · 05 September 2012, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.vince

See, that's progress.

Send me one to test, PLEASE!!!

kipper2k · 05 September 2012, 23:25

looking good

. What about action replay sitting at $400000, can you get around the conflicts to get action replay 3 working ?

Mrs Beanbag · 06 September 2012, 00:05

Wow, this is really awesome news!

Not for me personally, unfortunately, because I only use A1200s but this is still brilliant. Maybe you could do one for an A600 that goes in the trapdoor slot?

Are there any pictures of it actually attached to the motherboard? I don't see how it connects from looking at the pictures.

kipper2k · 06 September 2012, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

Wow, this is really awesome news!

Not for me personally, unfortunately, because I only use A1200s but this is still brilliant. Maybe you could do one for an A600 that goes in the trapdoor slot?

Are there any pictures of it actually attached to the motherboard? I don't see how it connects from looking at the pictures.

2 rows of 32 pins on the left side that plug into the cpu socket

Mrs Beanbag · 06 September 2012, 00:20

oh yes I see that on the prototype, but the real thing seems only to have contacts with no pins soldered in?

I didn't realise until looking it up just now exactly how limited the A600's trapdoor expansion slot was, it seems you have no access to CPU signals there

oh well. Apparently accelerator cards had to piggy back the CPU, how they managed that on a surface-mount chip I don't know.

kipper2k · 06 September 2012, 01:05

It's nice to see new HW for the old girl, i am going to forecast an upsurge in the sales of Indi ECS so buy now b4 they all gone (I did

gibs · 06 September 2012, 14:30

in overall it's going to be more powerful than the Archimedes....

kipper2k · 07 September 2012, 16:16

@Mr Vince,

Can you post a pdf of the actuual size of the board so i can see location of the cpu pin header

thanks

BvdW · 09 September 2012, 14:53

Epic!! Dibs on one for my A500 in the first production run.. pretty please ;-)

Mustangjeff · 09 September 2012, 19:16

This is probably a dumb question, but I'm curious why some of these new accelerators are using derivatives of the old 68000 cpu vs 68030/68040/68060?

Is this a case where the 68000 is still in production and easily obtainable due to it's use in embedded systems, and the other CPU's are not being produced? Or, is it a case where implementation of the 32bit model cpu's increases the cost/complexity by a wide margin?

Mrs Beanbag · 09 September 2012, 19:39

All the 680x0 series are internally 32 bit, it's only the external interface that differs. If anything, dropping down to 16 bit for 32 bit data access should be the more difficult!

Physical 68000s are still available new, I think. All the others are increasingly difficult to get hold of.

Leffmann · 09 September 2012, 20:29

You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

Mustangjeff · 10 September 2012, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

So 90 british pounds = 112 Euro.

The ACA500 would be 200 Euro ($256 usd) for an 060 based card. Sounds like a steal

jiffy · 10 September 2012, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustangjeff

So 90 british pounds = 112 Euro.

No, 90 Euro is most likely 90 Euro. :-)

Mind the '€' sign Leffmann uses... ;-)

Lord Aga · 10 September 2012, 09:10

Ah yes, but how much is that in euros

Anyway, be it 90 EUR or 90 EUR, it is still cheap. How much could the rest of the card cost, 200 EUR ? 300 ? Still ok. Of course, the know-how could be a bigger hurdle here. Not so easy to scrap together such a card.

Mrs Beanbag · 10 September 2012, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

I have seen them on Ebay used for £50 or so (but claimed tested and working), and Farnell has them listed for about £250... hmm...

Just found this:
http://www.plccenter.co.uk/Shop/FREE...EC060RC50/FNFP

Leffmann · 10 September 2012, 23:29

Yes but this is the EC, which has neither the MMU nor the (limited) FPU. This is the cheapest one at almost €100 which was my point - they're insanely expensive. If you want the 68060RC50 which has both MMU and FPU then you're looking at several hundreds of euros.

Smakar · 10 September 2012, 23:46

I don't know if this is the official pre-order site, but I will definitely be buying one.

24 August 2012, 05:30	#243
AmigaDave Since 1987 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Big Bear Lake/USA Posts: 111	7 plus pages of messages about this project. Can anyone summarize where it stands now and what I have to do to get on the list of people who wants to order one for my CDTV? Any pictures of how it will fit into the CDTV available anywhere? Is there a website for this project setup somewhere already? Sorry I didn't have time to look through all 7 pages of messages here on this topic. __________________ What have you done for the Amiga community lately?

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AmigaDave Since 1987 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Big Bear Lake/USA Posts: 111	Thanks mr. vince for the summary and extra info. Please put me on any list you might have as someone who is interested in buying at least one of these accelerators. I will try to visit this thread more often to see if there is any new information available. __________________ What have you done for the Amiga community lately?

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kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay/Churchill Canada Posts: 1,919	It's nice to see new HW for the old girl, i am going to forecast an upsurge in the sales of Indi ECS so buy now b4 they all gone (I did __________________ Items for sale; http://www.kipper2k.com/amigaforsale/index.html

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1time Amiga Lover Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Stockholm / Sweden Age: 35 Posts: 475	Any new pictures of the board or the progress?

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Reborn Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Warsaw / Poland Posts: 1	Nice piece of hardware! Interested in two if the price will be reasonable.

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mr.vince SPS Nose Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 37 Posts: 1,142	Anyone willing to make a guess about the little hardware sitting there in the back of this A500, with the Zeus68k installed over it?

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BarryB Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 464	YAY!!! It's an Indi ECS

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mr.vince SPS Nose Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 37 Posts: 1,142	See, that's progress.

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Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 344	Wow, this is really awesome news! Not for me personally, unfortunately, because I only use A1200s but this is still brilliant. Maybe you could do one for an A600 that goes in the trapdoor slot? Are there any pictures of it actually attached to the motherboard? I don't see how it connects from looking at the pictures.

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Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 344	oh yes I see that on the prototype, but the real thing seems only to have contacts with no pins soldered in? I didn't realise until looking it up just now exactly how limited the A600's trapdoor expansion slot was, it seems you have no access to CPU signals there oh well. Apparently accelerator cards had to piggy back the CPU, how they managed that on a surface-mount chip I don't know.

06 September 2012, 14:30	#269
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	in overall it's going to be more powerful than the Archimedes....

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kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay/Churchill Canada Posts: 1,919	@Mr Vince, Can you post a pdf of the actuual size of the board so i can see location of the cpu pin header thanks __________________ Items for sale; http://www.kipper2k.com/amigaforsale/index.html

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BvdW Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Netherlands Age: 35 Posts: 9	Epic!! Dibs on one for my A500 in the first production run.. pretty please ;-)

09 September 2012, 19:16	#272
Mustangjeff Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Wisconsin - USA Posts: 19	This is probably a dumb question, but I'm curious why some of these new accelerators are using derivatives of the old 68000 cpu vs 68030/68040/68060? Is this a case where the 68000 is still in production and easily obtainable due to it's use in embedded systems, and the other CPU's are not being produced? Or, is it a case where implementation of the 32bit model cpu's increases the cost/complexity by a wide margin?

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Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 344	All the 680x0 series are internally 32 bit, it's only the external interface that differs. If anything, dropping down to 16 bit for 32 bit data access should be the more difficult! Physical 68000s are still available new, I think. All the others are increasingly difficult to get hold of.

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Leffmann Leffmann with two n's Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,189	You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

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Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 275	Ah yes, but how much is that in euros Anyway, be it 90 EUR or 90 EUR, it is still cheap. How much could the rest of the card cost, 200 EUR ? 300 ? Still ok. Of course, the know-how could be a bigger hurdle here. Not so easy to scrap together such a card. __________________ Old vows run deeper and stronger than the new ones.

10 September 2012, 23:29	#279
Leffmann Leffmann with two n's Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,189	Yes but this is the EC, which has neither the MMU nor the (limited) FPU. This is the cheapest one at almost €100 which was my point - they're insanely expensive. If you want the 68060RC50 which has both MMU and FPU then you're looking at several hundreds of euros.

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