Restoring an Amiga 3000...

[Ze_ro]

I've decided to restore my brothers old, forgotten Amiga 3000 that has been sitting in the basement for quite some time. The machine itself seems to work well, but it'll take some effort to turn it into a truly functional system. However, I'm new to the world of Amiga (playing games on it doesn't really count here), so I need some help. Hopefully someone can answer my questions here:

• I have no CD-ROM drive. I've been looking into buying an external SCSI CD-ROM drive off eBay... they're pretty cheap at around $10, but I have no experience with SCSI components. Can I just buy any random SCSI CD-ROM and expect it to work, or do I need to worry about support for specific devices? I have a disk with AsimCDFS on it, which seems like it'll do the job as long as I acquire the hardware for it. Also, I've noticed that many devices have different types of connectors on them... are these incompatible, or is it just a matter of getting the right adaptor?
• The machine has a Dataflyer 500 IDE controller card installed in it, but it doesn't seem like there is any driver installed. The install disk MIGHT be somewhere in my brothers pile of disks, but sorting through all them will take forever. Is there anywhere online where I can find drivers for Amiga hardware? It seems that I need ExpSys.amhd or ExpSys.device, but I haven't been able to find anything.
• Right now, the machine is running Workbench 3.1, with Kickstart 3.1. Is it worth installing 3.9 on it, or will it be too slow? I have 14 MB of RAM total, but the machine is only 16MHz. I eventually want to get this machine connected to the internet, so the integrated TCP/IP stack and such will be very helpful. I know these features are in 3.5 as well, would 3.5 be a better choice for a slow system?
• Regardless of which version of Workbench I use, I plan to format the hard drive and install from scratch, as there is a lot of software cruft causing problems. Is there anything special I need to know about doing this, or is it just a matter of using HDToolBox to format, and then booting off the Workbench disks/CD? I guess I'll have to be sure to save the kickstart images from the hard drive before I do this so that I can still use the boot menu to load 'em up. I've also been told that I have to name the harddrive WB_2.X: in order for softkick to work.
• Is it worth learning ARexx? I've been using Unix for about almost 10 years now, so I'm familiar with scripting languages, and I know that I can install REXX on my Linux machine, so I figure it could be worth learning... but does general Amiga systems administration involve many REXX scripts? I know my brother has a book on ARexx that came with his original Amiga 500, but I haven't read any of it yet.

[alexh]

Almost any SCSI CD-ROM will work HOWEVER you need a specific wiring for the cable that goes from the 25-pin header to the centronics connector. Sometimes known as "MAC SCSI" cable.

The machine has a Dataflyer 500 IDE controller card but it doesn't seem like there is any driver installed

http://www.l8r.net/install/hdc.html

I am guessing but there is a "DataFlyer_IDE.DMS" image.

Is it worth installing 3.9 on it, or will it be too slow?

With no graphics card and no AGA, why bother? The only reason I can think of is to use hard drives and partitions greater than 4 Gig. Your CD-ROM will work without ASIMware CDFS though. Might be worth it.

I plan to format the hard drive and install from scratch (snip) I guess I'll have to be sure to save the kickstart images from the hard drive before I do this so that I can still use the boot menu to load 'em up. I've also been told that I have to name the harddrive WB_2.X: in order for softkick to work.

STOP.

As you say, some A3000's dont have REAL Kickstart 3.1 chips, they have 1.4 chips (yes 1.4) and they soft kick from a file on the hard drive. You reformat and you may never get your Amiga to do anything for a long time

The first thing to do is work out if you REALLY have a KS1.4 machine.

Hold down both mouse buttons after you switch on the A3000, if you have ks1.4 you will be prompted to choose the operating system version to use. You can either bootstrap Kickstart 2.x and Kickstart 1.3 from hard disk or from floppy disk. Try 1.3 you never know you may have a Kickstart 1.3 partition you never knew about

The next thing you MUST do is make some Floppy "Super Kickstart Disks"

Once you are happy that your Super Kickstart floppy disks are working (Make both 1.3 and 3.1 versions to make sure they work) THEN you can think about re-formatting your hard drive. You do need the special A3000 versions of both ROMS. 3.1 should be on your drive, but most A3000's with 1.4 I've come across dont have the 1.3 ROM. Trawl the net and you can find it.

You should really get a handle on where the kickstart images live on the Amiga hard drive too before re-formatting (Devs:kickstart).

I recommend transferring everything to the PC, or even better buy a new SCSI hard drive and use that, keeping the old one as a back up.

[Ze_ro]

Originally Posted by alexh

Almost any SCSI CD-ROM will work HOWEVER you need a specific wiring for the cable that goes from the 25-pin header to the centronics connector. Sometimes known as "MAC SCSI" cable.

Oh, so PC's and Mac's use a different pin configuration then? There's a store near me that has a 25-pin to 50-pin cable, but there's no mention of Mac or PC anywhere in there... here's another that actually says "Apple" in the description... is there any way to know unless the packaging actually says?

http://www.l8r.net/install/hdc.html

I am guessing but there is a "DataFlyer_IDE.DMS" image.

I tried that one unsuccessfully, and then I found this disk image which seems to be a newer version of the drivers... unfortunately, I still haven't gotten it to actually recognize a hard drive. I think there are some jumpers missing from the board. Good thing I have the manual, so hopefully I can get it working.

As you say, some A3000's dont have REAL Kickstart 3.1 chips, they have 1.4 chips (yes 1.4) and they soft kick from a file on the hard drive. You reformat and you may never get your Amiga to do anything for a long time

I asked my brother about this, and he claims that the machine DOES have actual 3.1 chips in it... but I'm a little confused by some of the boot messages. If I go to the boot menu, it gives me options to boot either 2.0 or 1.3... if I DON'T go to the boot menu, it flashes "booting kickstart 2.0"... I then get an odd splash-screen that shows some system information, telling me that I have kickstart 37.175 and Workbench 38.36. Finally, once I get to a CLI, I find that I have kickstart 40.68 and Workbench 40.42! Needless to say, there's a bit of confusion here, and I certainly don't plan to format anything until I get this all figured out!

I recommend transferring everything to the PC, or even better buy a new SCSI hard drive and use that, keeping the old one as a back up.

I've considered doing this too... the system currently boots off of a 200 MB SCSI drive, but since old SCSI hard drives can be had for relatively cheap, it probably makes more sense to just replace it with something around 10-20 GB. As long as I use Workbench 3.5 or higher, I shouldn't have to worry about the 4 GB limit, right?

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

I asked my brother about this, and he claims that the machine DOES have actual 3.1 chips in it...

The little liar

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

If I go to the boot menu, it gives me options to boot either 2.0 or 1.3... if I DON'T go to the boot menu, it flashes "booting kickstart 2.0"...

Without a doubt you DEFINATELY have KS1.4 chips!

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

I then get an odd splash-screen that shows some system information, telling me that I have kickstart 37.175 and Workbench 38.36.

I think that might mean that your kickstart image in DEVS: is a 2.04 version.

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

Finally, once I get to a CLI, I find that I have kickstart 40.68 and Workbench 40.42!

There is a good chance that you are soft loading 2 different kickstarts one after another. I speculate that your brother was never able to get a REAL A3000 3.1 ROM image and had to use this trick to get around it. Or it could be something totally different.

To be sure I need to get a look at your s:startup-sequence and s:user-startup scripts and the Devs:kickstart to be sure. If you are we can easily fix it (get an A3000 ROM image) and you'll get back 512k of RAM too!

If this is correct it's almost certainly makes for an unstable system.

As long as I use Workbench 3.5 or higher, I shouldn't have to worry about the 4 GB limit, right?

Your boot partition must be less than 4Gig I think, probably less with KS1.4

[Ze_ro]

Originally Posted by alexh

Without a doubt you DEFINATELY have KS1.4 chips!

I think that might mean that your kickstart image in DEVS: is a 2.04 version.

There is a good chance that you are soft loading 2 different kickstarts one after another. I speculate that your brother was never able to get a REAL A3000 3.1 ROM image and had to use this trick to get around it. Or it could be something totally different.

Wow, this is rather complicated. I talked to my brother about this, and he definitely remembers that the guy he bought the machine from had upgraded the ROMs, and had also given him the old ROMs when he bought it. He says they were mounted in the system on a ROM tower. However, I found the (empty) ROM tower sitting in the basement with a number of broken pins. The chips inside the 3000 right now have typed white labels that read "COPYRIGHT 1990 CAI, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED, ALPHA 5 ROM 0 CS=9713", and "ROM 1 CS=9B21". Any idea what this means? Searching the net only found me this italian forum where some other guy apparently has similar ROMs in his 3000.

I managed to find a few other sets of Kickstart chips... one set being 390629-02/390630-02. According to this list, these are the 1.4 chips out of an Amiga 3000. The container they are in is sealed with Commodore tape, so whoever replaced the chips must have been "official" or something.

To be sure I need to get a look at your s:startup-sequence and s:user-startup scripts and the Devs:kickstart to be sure. If you are we can easily fix it (get an A3000 ROM image) and you'll get back 512k of RAM too!

Well, I looked through them, but I can't see anything that would be loading up extra kickstart images... I admit I'm really not quite sure what I'm looking for, but I see no references to devs:kickstart, or anything like that. Is there anything that gets executed before s:startup-sequence somehow? There's a splash screen that is coming up that prevents me from seeing what's actually happening when the machine boots, and I can't find where that thing is loading up either.

Aside from losing out on 512k of RAM, is there any real downside to loading kickstart off the harddrive as opposed to having actual 3.1 chips?

Your boot partition must be less than 4Gig I think, probably less with KS1.4

Hmm... so if I have a giant harddrive, but make sure that the boot partition is relatively small (500MB maybe), then have the old ROMs boot up that, load up 3.1 ROMs from that partition, then mount the rest of the drive... would that all be kosher? Or might 1.4 get confused by the physical parameters of a large drive even if it's not attempting to access anything that might overflow registers?

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

The chips inside the 3000 right now have typed white labels that read "COPYRIGHT 1990 CAI, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED, ALPHA 5 ROM 0 CS=9713", and "ROM 1 CS=9B21"

Definately Kickstart 1.4. These are 390630-02 and 390629-02 versions

http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_b14.html

Looks like you have 2x sets of KS1.4!

I admit I'm really not quite sure what I'm looking for, but I see no references to devs:kickstart

It doesnt necessarily have to say devs:kickstart. That is where the kickstart 1.4 ROM looks, doesnt have to be where the relokick program looks. However if you have not seen relockick or skick....

Is there anything that gets executed before s:startup-sequence somehow? There's a splash screen that is coming up that prevents me from seeing what's actually happening when the machine boots, and I can't find where that thing is loading up either.

Not sure what you mean.

Aside from losing out on 512k of RAM, is there any real downside to loading kickstart off the harddrive as opposed to having actual 3.1 chips?

The code in the 1.4 ROM is not 68040+ compatible and so will not work with an accelerator.

You have a very old A3000 though. Chances are you have very old chips in your A3000. Although very cheap, the A3640 accelerator (which would offer a 4x speed over your 16MHz 030) probably wouldnt work without you replacing at least the Buster chip as well as your Kickstart ROMS

Probably not worth trying!

[alexh]

I am curious to know which SuperKickstart image you have.

Can you check in Devs: for a file called kickstart? Report back it's size and if possible CRC?

[Ze_ro]

The file is 526572 bytes, and has a CRC32 of 16c0f9bf.

There is also a file named "kickstart21" in Devs: ... I think it's safe to assume this is 2.1

[alexh]

There never was a Kickstart 2.1... curiouser and curiouser!

526572 IS a valid size for a 2.04/3.1 A3000 Super kickstart image.

Checking CRC's back later.

My A3000 KS3.1 is 526,572 bytes with a CRC32 of 285DD816.
My A3000 KS2.04 is 526,848 bytes with a CRC32 of 4FABB146.

I dont think this line of thinking has helped much

Have you tried selecting 1.3 after holding down both mouse buttons on bootup and see if it works?

[andreas]

OH WELL.

You guys trying to say Commodore did really ship BETA ROMs with the A3000?
Didn't know that nor did I expect it. I'm really curious to know about PC BIOS manufacturers which would dare ship a BETA BIOS in their motherboards!

[thomas]

You guys trying to say Commodore did really ship BETA ROMs with the A3000?

Certainly they did. They always shipped the hardware when it was ready, no matter if the software was fully developed or not.

I'm really curious to know about PC BIOS manufacturers which would dare ship a BETA BIOS in their motherboards!

So why do you think BIOS chips are updatable ?

Didn't know that nor did I expect it.

That's really naive IMHO.

[alexh]

I wonder if someone somewhere has created a CRC32 list of all the Amiga Kickstart ROM's (TOSEC or someone) then we can work out which SuperKickstart ROM you have in DEVS:

Anyone know?

[alexh]

TOSEC dont have any details of SuperKickstart ROM images in their database.

D'oh!

[DamienD]

Hey alexh,

Not sure if this helps? Guess you're really only after SuperKickstart ROMs though...

Edit: Actually, I may have others although I cannot remember exactly which ones. Need to trawl through some CDs that I have.

[alexh]

Non of these are SuperKickstart ROMs and TOSEC dont have them in their database. Starting a thread in TOSEC here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=237480

[andreas]

Originally Posted by thomas

Certainly they did. They always shipped the hardware when it was ready, no matter if the software was fully developed or not.

So why do you think BIOS chips are updatable ?

You're not trying to make a fool of me, eh?
I was talking about ORIGINAL motherboards shipped AS-IS with beta BIOSes, not the option to update it via the manufacturer's/vendor's web site. I haven't seen any (common?) manufacturer doing this (yet).

I was making this comparison as an Amiga boot ROM can - in some way - be regarded as a sort of PC bios.

[alexh]

Oi, no hijacking Ze_ro's Topic

[Chain]

Originally Posted by DamienD

Hey alexh,

Not sure if this helps? Guess you're really only after SuperKickstart ROMs though...

Edit: Actually, I may have others although I cannot remember exactly which ones. Need to trawl through some CDs that I have.

i have here: Kickstart v1.4a15 rev 36.15 (1989)(Commodore)(alpha).rom CRC:A3BA6116

[thomas]

Originally Posted by andreas

You're not trying to make a fool of me, eh?
I was talking about ORIGINAL motherboards shipped AS-IS with beta BIOSes, not the option to update it via the manufacturer's/vendor's web site. I haven't seen any (common?) manufacturer doing this (yet).

I was making this comparison as an Amiga boot ROM can - in some way - be regarded as a sort of PC bios.

Slowly I get the impression that you make yourself look like a fool.

Of course no manifacturer tells his customers that he ships beta software with his hardware. But early software versions always contain bugs. That's why the A1000 was shipped with WORM and Kickstart disks and that's why the A3000 was shipped with Superkickstart disks. That's business practice. It's a calculated risk. You have to ship your product before other companies ship their products. So you ship with firmware which has been tested but still has many known bugs. There is just not enough time to correct them all before the initial release. So you make your firmare updatable (flash-rom was not known or too expensive in the 80ies, so the Kickstart was loaded from floppy disk) and once the bugs (or some of them) are corrected, you let the user update it.

It does not matter which device you look at, it gets even worse nowadays. Every advert of a DVB-T or SAT receiver mentions that the firmware is updatable. Software development is not so important any more. They ship with early versions of the software and once bug reports arrive, they make updates available. It's too expensive to do all the beta tests themselves.

I really don't understand why you are so surprised about it.

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Chain

i have here: Kickstart v1.4a15 rev 36.15 (1989)(Commodore)(alpha).rom CRC:A3BA6116

That is _NOT_ a SuperKickstart file. It's a plain old A3000 v1.4 kickstart ROM.

When you have v1.4a15 Kickstart ROM in your Amiga 3000 it doesnt boot like a regular Amiga (with perhaps the exception of the A1000). On powerup it looks for a SuperKickstart file (either on the hard disk or a floppy disk) this KS file is loaded into memory and used from there.

I have 3 versions of SuperKickstart files a 1.3 version, a 2.04 version and a 3.1 version. However Ze_ro has a different file to me. This is probably because we have different revisions of the same type of SuperKickstart files, e.g. I think he has v3.1 r40.68 and I have v3.1 r40.70

However we cannot quite tell the differences between them from the files themselves.

Shame TOSEC hasnt looked into this area...

[thomas]

40.70 is said to be for A4000T only. It lacks workbench.library but has drivers for onboard-SCSI and onboard-IDE. 40.68 is the standard version of 3.1. It has workbench.library and only one onboard driver (probably SCSI for the A3000, but IDE for the A4000D).

See http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_31.html (comments at the bottom of the page).

[alexh]

There was a KS3.1 r40.70 for the A3000 but a minority of people said that they had problems with certain SCSI hardware so when VillageTronic officially released the A3000 ROM version they released the earlier r40.68 version.

As you know there are differences between an A3000 r40.68 and an A4000D r40.68 and are probably differences between an A3000 r40.70 and a A4000T r40.70?

The problem is I cannot tell which version myself or Ze_ro has just from looking at the files size & CRC32

I am almost sure that I have an r40.70 SuperKickstart file on my A3000, but it isnt here so I cannot tell... all I have is the file.

Ze_ro says that his A3000 (with KS1.4 using SuperKickstart files) reports it's kickstart as 2.04 r37.174 at one stage during boot and then later on as 3.1 r40.78 so you can see our dilema.

[thomas]

I don't see a dilemma. Just disconnect the HDD and power on, then you see what it has in ROM. From then on everything is a question of installing the right software into the right places (and even more important, not to format anything before all the needed software is backed up). And a little investigation which file is store where on the HDD.

Maybe it is easy for me to say this, as I never had an A3000, but I cannot believe that this is all so complicated. IMHO it does not matter if the ROM is 40.70 or 40.68, if only it boots.

[alexh]

But we're not sure Ze_ro has a SuperKS 3.1 r40.68 file or if he has a 2.04 and later Skicks to 3.1!

I guess it's "have a go" time.

[Ze_ro]

Originally Posted by alexh

Have you tried selecting 1.3 after holding down both mouse buttons on bootup and see if it works?

Yes, but it just asks me to insert a Super-Kickstart disk, which I don't have. Does it try to find 1.3 on the hard drive too? When I choose 2.x, I end up getting 3.1... I assume these version numbers are hardcoded into Kickstart 1.4, right?

Also, I'm not 100% sure of that CRC... I couldn't find a program for the Amiga to calculate the CRC (Everything on Aminet is source code, and I have no compiler installed). What I ended up doing was transfer the file to my Linux machine, Zip the file, and then run "zip -l" on it, which shows the CRC... So yeah...

Originally Posted by andreas

You guys trying to say Commodore did really ship BETA ROMs with the A3000?
Didn't know that nor did I expect it. I'm really curious to know about PC BIOS manufacturers which would dare ship a BETA BIOS in their motherboards!

In this case, it really doesn't matter, as you're never actually expected to use Kickstart 1.4... it's just there to load the REAL Kickstart off the hard drive. When I realized this was a beta ROM, I was a little annoyed myself, but in the end it doesn't matter as long as I have the right file on the hard drive.

Originally Posted by alexh

Ze_ro says that his A3000 (with KS1.4 using SuperKickstart files) reports it's kickstart as 2.04 r37.174 at one stage during boot and then later on as 3.1 r40.78 so you can see our dilema.

It turns out the splash screen that shows that is AmigaStart (although I'm likely running an older version than the one on Aminet). It also shows an incorrect Workbench version, and I have no idea where it's reading these numbers from, so it's entirely possible that it's just this program being stupid rather than weird kickstart happenings. However, if I run AmigaStart from a CLI after boot, it DOES correctly report my KS/WB versions. If I get time, I should try updating the program and see if anything changes.

Originally Posted by thomas

I don't see a dilemma. Just disconnect the HDD and power on, then you see what it has in ROM.

Thanks to a strange quirk (see #9 at the bottom), you can actually get into 1.4 without disconnecting anything. This leads to some strange things though.... If I disconnect all my hard drives before doing this, I get the animated disk-into-drive screen, with a message claiming that I'm using "1.4 Beta Exp". If I leave everything connected, it attempts to start WB and fails with a message saying I need at least Kickstart 2.0, but it dumps me to a CLI anyways. When I run version, it tells me I'm using Kickstart 36.16. Also, the maximize/raise-lower gadgets on the windows look very odd (like in this screenshot).

On the plus side, I was able to get the DataFlyer card working nicely, and it now happily reads/writes to a 1 GB drive I had sitting around (unfortunately, it seems the 3 GB drive I had is now dead, as it doesn't even spin up). The card is capable of booting in the 3000, although I still let the machine boot off the SCSI drive. I have easily enough space to copy the entire contents of the SCSI drive to this new one so I have some insurance when I format. Once I pick up a CD-ROM drive and an X-Surf card, it should make for a pretty happening system

[andreas]

In this case, it really doesn't matter, as you're never actually expected to use Kickstart 1.4... it's just there to load the REAL Kickstart off the hard drive.

Thank you for the information, the bit of "indirect loading" was unknown to me by now.
I seriously thought that the 1.4 is in the *ROM*!

So thomas, bury your hatchet again then. Commodore thus can't be accused of shipping beta hardware ROMs then, only something in-between (hardware that loads actual "ROM" from software etc.)

Sorry, I've never had nor seen an A3000, I only know that the missing MMU support in WinUAE appears to prevent ALL (!) A3000 kickstart ROMs from loading. (If justice reigned, A3000 users should be allowed to legally download each kickstart without paying any penny for AmigaForever, as they simply CANNOT use their ROMs in the emulator. None of them, that is. But oops -- that's just another story.)

[edit]
Ah wait, WindowsKiller's last year's post looks as to give proof for a REAL hardware 1.4 boot-ROM:

And there was only one 1.4 Boot-ROM for the A3000, that was 1.4 Beta 3 (36.16).

Beta3 = hardware ROM then. (I assume...)
Probably there's no soft-kicking needed then (if and only if you have 1.4b3)

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

Does it try to find 1.3 on the hard drive too?

Yes but it looks in a different partition.

When I choose 2.x, I end up getting 3.1... I assume these version numbers are hardcoded into Kickstart 1.4, right?

Correct.

Also, I'm not 100% sure of that CRC... I couldn't find a program for the Amiga to calculate the CRC (Everything on Aminet is source code, and I have no compiler installed). What I ended up doing was transfer the file to my Linux machine, Zip the file, and then run "zip -l" on it, which shows the CRC... So yeah...

As long as that zip -l shows the CRC of the file and not the CRC of the ZIP then it's probably good.

However, if I run AmigaStart from a CLI after boot, it DOES correctly report my KS/WB versions.

Still sounds fishy to me.

The [Dataflyer] card is capable of booting in the 3000, although I still let the machine boot off the SCSI drive.

Probably a good idea, the dataflyer cards are not the best / fastest.

Once I pick up a CD-ROM drive and an X-Surf card, it should make for a pretty happening system

I have that set-up. Remember when reformatting that KS1.4 can only read FFS formatted partition. If you want to use SFS (and I would) for other partitions that is fine.

[Ze_ro]

Well, I think I solved some of the mystery here... I tried putting "Run System:c/Version" as the first line of my startup-sequence script, and it correctly reports 40.68/40.42.... And it turns out that AmigaStart does in fact just read the environment variables $kickstart and $workbench, which aren't set by the time AmigaStart runs. If I "setenv kickstart 99.99" and "setenv workbench -1.-1", then run AmigaStart again, it does indeed report those numbers back to me. I'm curious about how it comes up with 37.175/38.36 by default though...

[InTheSand]

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

I've decided to restore my brothers old, forgotten Amiga 3000 that has been sitting in the basement for quite some time.

If it's been there for a while, I'd recommend checking the on-board battery. These can (and often do) leak and ruin A3000 and A4000 motherboards... See this site for further details: http://amiga.serveftp.net/battery.html

- Ali

[Ze_ro]

Luckily, my brother knew about this problem and clipped the battery out of there a few years back. Speaking of which, is there any way I can once again get a battery backed clock for the machine? Like installing a different battery that won't leak or something? Time stamps on files aren't terribly necessary, so unless there's an easy replacement, I'll probably just leave the machine thinking it's 1978.

Anyways, I have since formatted the hard drive, I'm running KS 3.1, WB 3.1, and have reinstalled pretty much all the worthwhile software I had before... the machine starts up MUCH faster now, and there isn't nearly as much nonsense cluttering up the filesystem. I ordered an X-Surf card, but I'm still waiting for it to arrive, so no networking going yet. Once I get the X-Surf card, I'll probably switch to using that for my IDE drive and put the DataFlyer card away... I'm assuming the X-Surf is likely faster, and I don't need to boot off the drive. In the DataFlyer manual, it mentions that not all hard drive controllers can handle drives that were formatted by other cards... does this mean I'll likely have to format the drive before I could use it on the X-Surf?

One piece of software I haven't installed that was on there before is MagicWB... is it even worthwhile installing this now, or is NewIcons a better choice? I don't have a graphics card, and I mostly use low-color high-res video modes, but I'd still prefer something a little better looking than the stock Commodore icons. Would I be looking at a large performance hit with either of these packages? I'm honestly not even entirely sure what either of these packages do aside from replacing the icons and helping with palette problems, but I'm hesitant to try either since it looks like uninstalling to try the other would be a huge pain.

Now that I think about it, assuming everything networks nicely, I could always just run an NTP server on my Linux machine and have the Amiga sync to that on boot.....

[alexh]

If you get an X-Surf card and you will be always connected to the net, you can do as I do and set up a connection to a Time Server. (Should read to end of msg before replying!)

But the answer is yes you can replace the battery with one less likely to leak. Having a battery on an A3000 can help, but you can always use the program "Batmem" to get over most problems!

Once I get the X-Surf card, I'll probably switch to using that for my IDE drive and put the DataFlyer card away... I'm assuming the X-Surf is likely faster

The IDE ports on the X-Surf are "freebies" they are not particularly fast and you cannot boot from them. You'll just have to see how good they are compared to the DF card, which is also pretty poor (A500 Zorro II design!)

One piece of software I haven't installed that was on there before is MagicWB... is it even worthwhile installing this now

I personally dont think so. Getting a good palette for ECS is difficult. Not sure what NewIcons looks like in 16-colors.

I have list of programs which are "must haves" for a hard drive enabled Amiga, MWB isnt one of them. Personal choice.

[Ze_ro]

Originally Posted by alexh

The IDE ports on the X-Surf are "freebies" they are not particularly fast and you cannot boot from them.

Right, but I don't think I need any of the more exotic features of IDE in this case, so I'm sure the X-Surf will do nicely, and save me a Zorro slot.

I personally dont think so. Getting a good palette for ECS is difficult. Not sure what NewIcons looks like in 16-colors.

So is NewIcons even worthwhile then? Most of the screenshots I've seen look quite nice, but are from systems using expensive graphics cards. If standard ECS doesn't offer enough colors for NewIcons, then things might end up looking crappy anyways, AND stealing system resources in a double whammy. Maybe I'll try it out in UAE first before I try it on the actual hardware.

I have list of programs which are "must haves" for a hard drive enabled Amiga, MWB isnt one of them. Personal choice.

Well, don't keep me in suspense, what are they??

[amiganer]

how could i replace file "kickstart" in dev with superkickstart file 3.1?

any download available?


how could i install WB 3.x then?

[TjLaZer]

Anyone know how to get a 3.1 super kickstart ROM?

I use to have this file years ago but I've lost it.

[rampartsagain]

workbench super kickstart disk v2.00 or 2.05 or your talking about the 3.1 kickstart rom chip v40.62 ???????

[TjLaZer]

No the devs:kickstart file

How are people putting kickstart 3.1 in there?

[thomas]

IIRC you just replace the 2.x file by the 3.1 one, i.e. give the 3.1 file the same name as the 2.x file had. And the file might just be a ROM image as used for WinUAE and the like.

[roy bates]

Originally Posted by TjLaZer

Anyone know how to get a 3.1 super kickstart ROM?

I use to have this file years ago but I've lost it.

ive got 40.62 and 40.55 (for the 3000)not sure what the last one is though.

[source]

I am trying to get my Dad's old A3000 up to spec. It is a A3000 desktop with 16 MHz 030. I removed the zips and replaced with a zip to simm converter with 16 meg fast and 2 meg chip. It has rev7 buster that is socketed. The one aspect that I want to upgrade the rom. it has the 1.4 rom. when you turn it on, it boots then flashes the screen and boots to 2.04. I have read elsewhere taht some 3000's need a rom tower to adapt newer roms to the old system. how can I found out if I need one to upgrade to 3.1 roms? Would I just be able to remove the old 1.4 roms and replace with these ones?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMIGA-3000-k...item3373bf623a

Thanks for your help

[bluegreengold]

Originally Posted by Ze_ro

[*]Is it worth learning ARexx? I've been using Unix for about almost 10 years now, so I'm familiar with scripting languages, and I know that I can install REXX on my Linux machine, so I figure it could be worth learning... but does general Amiga systems administration involve many REXX scripts? I know my brother has a book on ARexx that came with his original Amiga 500, but I haven't read any of it yet.[/list]

IMO ARexx is one of the greatest things about Amigas. Scripting is the best way to take advantage of the Amiga's multi tasking OS. Much of the best productivity software had Arexx ports built in. It's a pretty logical and user friendly scripting language. I much prefer it to PERL, and if you don't need to be object oriented, or tie in with modern libraries like Python, but just want to maximize your personal use of your computer IMO it's the best scripting language.