AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3 - Page 9

Calgor · 18 December 2009, 14:48

@gulliver et al

Great stuff, I will be using this in future.

Does this BB3 require the BB2 ROM Update? (that was an optional install of BB2 and apparently is not compatible with some hardware - my incompatibilities were fixed with scsi.device 43.45 LBA48 patch, so I have it installed always). I ask as I imagine not all BB2 users would have installed this patch on their real hardware. I also know that you don't care as much about AmiKit/AmigaSys - but those a year ago also did not have the BB2 ROM Update installed by default.

I imagine it might only be incompatible if there are some interdependencies between different versions of different rommodules.

Minuous · 19 December 2009, 05:30

OK, V1.0 beta is done...

PulsatingQuasar · 19 December 2009, 23:20

Great work on the Boing Bag. It saves me the trouble of installing the updated components myself.

Question: Did anyone ever create an OS 3.9 bootdisk with HDToolbox on it so I can format a large harddisk without having to have to load a CD?

gulliver · 20 December 2009, 00:42

I am glad everyone seems to think this BoingBag 3 as something usefull. I hope everyone apreciates this community effort and realizes the good things that we can actually achieve working together!

@Ratte
I agree, i will be more carefull with version bumping!

@Calgor
You should install BB2 rom update as it contains exec.library and some other stuff we didnt touch (Yet!). Of course, you should add the corresponding parameters to make setpatch skip from the AmigaOS Rom Update the loading of the files we did patch. And then load this last ones with loadmodule as the BB3 readme says. It is a bit confusing, but it is easier than it sounds.

@PulsatingQuasar
Good idea, the AmigaOS 3.9 emergency can do that, but requires you use the AmigaOS 3.9 cdrom alltogether. If you are really motivated you can do that with just a floppy alone. It would be nice if you created a simple script that could make this floppy disk by copying files from an AmigaOS 3.9 BoingBag3 installation. It could include HDtoolbox, format, cli, and a couple of other usefull programs.

Calgor · 20 December 2009, 01:40

@PulsatingQuasar

For OS3.9 BB2 version of HDToolBox, I once tried to copy it onto my bootdisk, but I remember it uses Reaction GUI so it had a billion file dependencies and it may have had too many files to fit onto a floppy (I may have given up before I found all dependencies so it may fit somehow). I am not familiar with Reaction so perhaps there is a way to only copy a few files so it can fit. Would be great if someone could find out what files it needs.

If there are too many files (even compressed), I imagine one could boot off floppy then assign a directory onto the CF card or second floppy drive for the Reaction files (but that is clumsy....)

gulliver · 20 December 2009, 04:07

@PulsatingQuasar

Imploder can be found on Aminet and compresses executable files safely, so it may be usefull.
After you have accomplished your goals, always remember to use ReOrg to defragment the floppy. This will speed up floppy usage considerably.

ancalimon · 20 December 2009, 04:09

There is a problem with Turkish catalog spelling. It is spelled as "tnrkte" which is wrong. It should be "türkçe" or if you can't see the letters; "turkce"

gulliver · 20 December 2009, 05:02

@ancalimon
Thank you for the bug report!

Minuous · 20 December 2009, 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ancalimon

There is a problem with Turkish catalog spelling. It is spelled as "tnrkte" which is wrong. It should be "türkçe" or if you can't see the letters; "turkce"

Hmm, looks like WinXP mangled that directory name somehow :-( Thanks, I will fix this for 1.0 final.

ancalimon · 20 December 2009, 16:25

Also, I have blizkick installed and I used romsplit utility to split the AmigaOS ROM Updates files. All of them are in DEVS:Modules

I load the updates using blizkick
and I use setpatch noromupdate (cause blizkick already reboots after applying the updates to rom)

I think bb3 installer copied the new patched devices to DEVS: and it didn't change anything in Startup-Sequence. I had to copy the fastfilesystem and scsi.device into DEVS:Modules and overwrite the ones there.

Minuous · 21 December 2009, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgor

Does this BB3 require the BB2 ROM Update?

It doesn't absolutely require it, but you would be using obsolete versions of eg. exec.library otherwise.

Minuous · 23 December 2009, 04:32

OK, I have released a 2nd beta, which fixes some bugs that have been reported here and at amiga.org. Now in expert mode it also gives you more control over which keymaps, etc. to update.

Minuous · 23 December 2009, 04:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by ancalimon

Also, I have blizkick installed and I used romsplit utility to split the AmigaOS ROM Updates files. All of them are in DEVS:Modules

I load the updates using blizkick
and I use setpatch noromupdate (cause blizkick already reboots after applying the updates to rom)

I think bb3 installer copied the new patched devices to DEVS: and it didn't change anything in Startup-Sequence. I had to copy the fastfilesystem and scsi.device into DEVS:Modules and overwrite the ones there.

Yeah, Kickstart 3.9 isn't really expected by the installer, it is designed for Kickstart 3.1.

Sir_Lucas · 25 December 2009, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

OK, I have released a 2nd beta, which fixes some bugs that have been reported here and at amiga.org. Now in expert mode it also gives you more control over which keymaps, etc. to update.

This is really great! Thank you very much for the effort! Keep up the good work. This thread is just great!

Minuous · 26 December 2009, 04:46

On the subject of 68000 vs. 68020 versions:

Apparently there exist 68000 and '020 versions of layout.gadget. Does anyone know which version of layout.gadget is included in OS3.9? Version is 45.9 but it could be either CPU version. If it's the 68000 version, and I can get my hands on a 68020 version of V45.9, then that would be good to include in BB3.

Cosmos · 26 December 2009, 05:56

It's for 020+ in the Boing Bag 2...

Where is the 000 version ?

Minuous · 30 December 2009, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmos

Where is the 000 version ?

IIRC, it is in the ClassAct package. Which IIRC can be gotten from the AWeb site.

cybernoid · 30 December 2009, 22:11

@PeterK

First off all, I have to say your icon.library is very very good. Icons looks better and it's FAST!!!
But I found one "minus" - ProcessIcon doesn't work everytime. It must be of your icon.library because i tried the old library and everything works as it should. Ahh! ProcessIcon can also be the guilty

I use Dopus4 to call c

rocessicon to copy stack, tooltypes, and command.
Workaround: Use the old icon.library

But what I want is to try your icon.library with A4000. - my mobo is in France for repair. Still waiting

PeterK · 31 December 2009, 00:08

Hello cybernoid,

could you please give me some more detailed information on the particular instructions of ProcessIcon with your options that won't work for you.

I've just tried these instructions from the shell:
1. ProcessIcon newicon reficon cdt
2. ProcessIcon newicon reficon css
3. ProcessIcon newicon reficon ctt

with the icon.library 46.4.129 and all seems to work so far for me.
So, what's going wrong on your system?

Maybe, you could also supply the icons in question? Thanks!

Minuous · 01 January 2010, 06:41

OK, V1.0 is released...

30 December 2009, 22:11	#178
cybernoid Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 135	@PeterK First off all, I have to say your icon.library is very very good. Icons looks better and it's FAST!!! But I found one "minus" - ProcessIcon doesn't work everytime. It must be of your icon.library because i tried the old library and everything works as it should. Ahh! ProcessIcon can also be the guilty I use Dopus4 to call crocessicon to copy stack, tooltypes, and command. Workaround: Use the old icon.library But what I want is to try your icon.library with A4000. - my mobo is in France for repair. Still waiting

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18 December 2009, 14:48	#161
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	@gulliver et al Great stuff, I will be using this in future. Does this BB3 require the BB2 ROM Update? (that was an optional install of BB2 and apparently is not compatible with some hardware - my incompatibilities were fixed with scsi.device 43.45 LBA48 patch, so I have it installed always). I ask as I imagine not all BB2 users would have installed this patch on their real hardware. I also know that you don't care as much about AmiKit/AmigaSys - but those a year ago also did not have the BB2 ROM Update installed by default. I imagine it might only be incompatible if there are some interdependencies between different versions of different rommodules.

19 December 2009, 05:30	#162
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,655	OK, V1.0 beta is done...

19 December 2009, 23:20	#163
PulsatingQuasar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Netherlands Posts: 57	Great work on the Boing Bag. It saves me the trouble of installing the updated components myself. Question: Did anyone ever create an OS 3.9 bootdisk with HDToolbox on it so I can format a large harddisk without having to have to load a CD?

20 December 2009, 00:42	#164
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	I am glad everyone seems to think this BoingBag 3 as something usefull. I hope everyone apreciates this community effort and realizes the good things that we can actually achieve working together! @Ratte I agree, i will be more carefull with version bumping! @Calgor You should install BB2 rom update as it contains exec.library and some other stuff we didnt touch (Yet!). Of course, you should add the corresponding parameters to make setpatch skip from the AmigaOS Rom Update the loading of the files we did patch. And then load this last ones with loadmodule as the BB3 readme says. It is a bit confusing, but it is easier than it sounds. @PulsatingQuasar Good idea, the AmigaOS 3.9 emergency can do that, but requires you use the AmigaOS 3.9 cdrom alltogether. If you are really motivated you can do that with just a floppy alone. It would be nice if you created a simple script that could make this floppy disk by copying files from an AmigaOS 3.9 BoingBag3 installation. It could include HDtoolbox, format, cli, and a couple of other usefull programs.

20 December 2009, 01:40	#165
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	@PulsatingQuasar For OS3.9 BB2 version of HDToolBox, I once tried to copy it onto my bootdisk, but I remember it uses Reaction GUI so it had a billion file dependencies and it may have had too many files to fit onto a floppy (I may have given up before I found all dependencies so it may fit somehow). I am not familiar with Reaction so perhaps there is a way to only copy a few files so it can fit. Would be great if someone could find out what files it needs. If there are too many files (even compressed), I imagine one could boot off floppy then assign a directory onto the CF card or second floppy drive for the Reaction files (but that is clumsy....)

20 December 2009, 04:07	#166
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@PulsatingQuasar Imploder can be found on Aminet and compresses executable files safely, so it may be usefull. After you have accomplished your goals, always remember to use ReOrg to defragment the floppy. This will speed up floppy usage considerably.

20 December 2009, 04:09	#167
ancalimon Supernormal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Istanbul / Turkey Age: 43 Posts: 1,414	There is a problem with Turkish catalog spelling. It is spelled as "tnrkte" which is wrong. It should be "türkçe" or if you can't see the letters; "turkce"

20 December 2009, 05:02	#168
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@ancalimon Thank you for the bug report!

20 December 2009, 16:25	#170
ancalimon Supernormal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Istanbul / Turkey Age: 43 Posts: 1,414	Also, I have blizkick installed and I used romsplit utility to split the AmigaOS ROM Updates files. All of them are in DEVS:Modules I load the updates using blizkick and I use setpatch noromupdate (cause blizkick already reboots after applying the updates to rom) I think bb3 installer copied the new patched devices to DEVS: and it didn't change anything in Startup-Sequence. I had to copy the fastfilesystem and scsi.device into DEVS:Modules and overwrite the ones there.

23 December 2009, 04:32	#172
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,655	OK, I have released a 2nd beta, which fixes some bugs that have been reported here and at amiga.org. Now in expert mode it also gives you more control over which keymaps, etc. to update.

26 December 2009, 04:46	#175
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,655	On the subject of 68000 vs. 68020 versions: Apparently there exist 68000 and '020 versions of layout.gadget. Does anyone know which version of layout.gadget is included in OS3.9? Version is 45.9 but it could be either CPU version. If it's the 68000 version, and I can get my hands on a 68020 version of V45.9, then that would be good to include in BB3.

26 December 2009, 05:56	#176
Cosmos Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: France Posts: 655	It's for 020+ in the Boing Bag 2... Where is the 000 version ?

31 December 2009, 00:08	#179
PeterK Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: digital hell, Germany, after 1984, but worse Posts: 3,378	Hello cybernoid, could you please give me some more detailed information on the particular instructions of ProcessIcon with your options that won't work for you. I've just tried these instructions from the shell: 1. ProcessIcon newicon reficon cdt 2. ProcessIcon newicon reficon css 3. ProcessIcon newicon reficon ctt with the icon.library 46.4.129 and all seems to work so far for me. So, what's going wrong on your system? Maybe, you could also supply the icons in question? Thanks!

01 January 2010, 06:41	#180
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,655	OK, V1.0 is released...

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