18 October 2009, 20:56 | #21 |
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They don't have to write it for it to be theirs and whether you like it or not, it is theirs now... You know Michael Jackson's Estate / Sony Music owns the publishing rights to all of the Beatles songs right?
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I never thought that the full rights to the name AmigaOS or prior work was ever up for grabs. They have exclusive rights to sell AmigaOS 4 without restrictions. They have exclusive rights to produce any new AmigaOS (well for at least one more) with no restrictions. They have exclusive rights to use any pre-existing AmigaOS 3.1 structures. But I don't see that they own it any more than they did earlier. Quote:
But it is all mute, AmigaOS 4 has no chance no matter what platform of ever breaking even let alone making a profit. And I do not expect Hyperion to invest any more money in the area, unless they are pure geeks who enjoy fiddling. |
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I agree with the last statement Alex, I really do... I am not a modern Amiga evangelist, I am all classic, but I did pay attention yesterday and thought it was fascinating.
The question that really makes the waters muddy for me is, "What is Amiga now?" Back in the day it was a proprietary OS and Hardware working together. Now is it OS 4.X on a PPC system? Is it a laptop that boots straight into WIN / E-UAE? If Amiga Inc, made a new system branded "Amiga 5000" that ran Windows, would that be an Amiga? It appears Hyperion are banking on the "Amiga" being their operating system. re: My analogy, not really important, there are several cases of people owning things that they didn't create right? |
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It would be like a company who entered into a contract to make StarWars Episode 7 and future episodes having been told they cannot release it and cannot make anything StarWars related in the future then suing LucasFilm and ending up owning the entire StarWars franchise including the previous movies. I could imagine them being allowed to release the StarWars 7 they made and being able to use the original characters etc. for new productions (within the scope of an agreement) but I cannot see them ending up owning the StarWars franchise. Last edited by alexh; 18 October 2009 at 22:31. |
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There early songs ( on the Parlaphone label ) had run out of copywrite (25 years) and they were offered the chance to 'buy them back' ie extend the copywrite, and Paul McCartney famously said ' Why should I have to buy my own songs?' a decision he later said was a grave error of judgement. Jacko stepped in and 'bought' them ie everytime ones played on a radio the recording writes went into his bank account instead of theres. Macca had already bought all Buddy Holly's and 'really really should have known better' to paraphrase a Beatles song |
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I am not a copyright expert but what you're saying sounds unlikely.
It is more likely that Parlaphone owned the copyright and not the Beatles, they had a contract with the Beatles which only lasted 25 years. After which, as I said, the copyright owners SOLD them. The Beatles could have been offered them first as you say and declined but the result is the same, they were SOLD by the owners. Probably a very simplified view but AFAIK music copyrights (at least in the UK) last by default for 50 years. After which they become public domain and can be published free by anyone. Something that Cliff Richards tried to change (extend) and failed. Last edited by alexh; 18 October 2009 at 23:00. |
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It was clear yesterday that "The Amiga Operating System" as settled out of court, is the property of Hyperion. Just because employees of Hyperion may have had little or no part at all in creating any of the original code doesn't mean that the company doesn't own the OS now. It was not my intent to argue over the literal WORD Amiga, the "concept" of Amiga, the Amiga hardware or any other IP's that may still be unresolved regarding Amiga. Just the operating system... |
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19 October 2009, 01:33 | #28 |
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Great News. I dont believe!
What's next: Amiga 64bits PC with 22000 Amiga-ready linux applications & games? ...Maybe thats why Winblows 7 will be 'faster and cleaner'... Who knows? How faster would be AmigaOS vs Winblows with same hardware? Last edited by cybernoid; 19 October 2009 at 01:56. Reason: Amiga Rulez! |
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These kind of comments were all over yesterday during the show. Maybe someday people will grasp the concept that the Amiga OS has and never will be open source. If you want Linux, just go use linux! |
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19 October 2009, 04:01 | #30 |
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The roms copyright "belongs" to colanta as far as i know and asthey aren't mentioned in the agreement i doubt anything has changed
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If its a matter of record then The Kickstart ROM's still belong to gateway computers. as far as the record goes (and thats the several hours perhaps even days of pentus reading) Amiga Inc and Clonato only have a distribution license. Of course its possible that some one at gateway f*cked up and these now belong to tulip, however knowing that company they would certainly be selling them by now. I am very much so inclined to agree with Alexh on this one... Somewhere.... in a room.... theres a box.... with many other boxes with it.... and in that box is the legal documents of ownership... alas no one has been in this room for atleast 15 years, infact I doubt they could even find it! |
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Court Case fees vs. AmigaOS 4.x sales = priceless! (I know which one would be greater, do you? )
edit: unless the case went before Judge Judy = on TV soon? Last edited by Paul_s; 19 October 2009 at 09:16. |
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I wouldn't say this 100% great news but i'm thinking that it is a positive step in the right direction. Especially for current and potential OS4.x users. At least updates, new platforms supported etc should come a bit easier now.
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You had Fredfish and PDSoft for Amiga. Mac now supports open source (but I'm not 100% sure about that) I don't understand why not opensource and commercial software can stay together. What I see in most Winblows machines is torrent-cracked-stuff. |
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Some interesting posts on the slashdot thread by Dave Haynie...
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So basically, even though there's now a chance in hell of the thing booting on old Macs or even possibly an x86 port, the AmigaOS is still going to be dead without a total open-source overhaul.
So how many decades until people just give up and realise that almost nobody is going to pay money for a now-hopelessly-dated operating system? |
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Hyperion owns AmigaOS
Have you guys seen the latest news on Hyperion having full ownership of the AmigaOS? What do you think?
* Are we going to see more hardware running AmigaOS in the short run? * What about old G3 and G4 Macs? Do you think it is worth the time to port to this (obsolete) platform? * I believe the AmigaOS might have a nice impact on the embedded systems market. What hardware do you think would be great to have it running on? * I think the next big things AmigaOS must have are a Java Runtime Engine and touchscreen support/drivers. What about you? * In terms of conquering Amigans of old (even if it's difficult/improbable to convert non-Amigans), what do you think AmigaOS should have added? |
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Yes we have, hence this thread
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