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It is a niche hobbyist market for now but still a viable market, but that doesnt mean it has to stay that way. New products could be built whether for classic systems or re-implentations of classic hardware or next gen ideas for industry embedded systems etc.. Whatever way you look at it I think new management would be better than the current management and their grandmothers. GOOOOOOOOO PYRO!!!!! P.S. Pyro --> Release the kickstart 1.3 roms if you do get AmigaInc. |
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Who would support it with development? Why would anyone buy it, over the other products on the market? Now go ask the same question about an Amiga desktop (when the desktop market is shrinking), an Amiga laptop, an Amiga.... |
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"Release it and the hardware will be built" - by who? Who, other than a mad hobbyist (not that I'm opposed to them - one built the USB card I have in my A4000) would do that? You could spend your time and money building hardware for an ultra-niche OS4 machine, or you could spend it building something for Win/ Mac that would actually sell and make you some cash. With a family to feed, what would you do? New hardware is pointless without developer support - both hard and soft. Expecting to see the next edition of "Full Spectrum Warrior", or "Civilisation 5" for OS4? May as well pull out your telescope and hope to see Vipers launching from the Battlestar USS Armstrong. Bill #2 is dead keen to tell everyone about his upcoming movie (all this talk of an Amiga buy-out couldn't possibly be a viral marketing campaign targetted at a niche audience of fanatics, could it....?), but real short on detail with his "plans" for the Amiga. If the owners are willing to sell. If he can raise the funds necessary. In a year or so, when the corpse is another year colder. Gimme a break guys. You're dead keen to shoot the messenger, but take a good hard look at your own reactions to Bill #2's hollow pronouncements. |
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11 November 2006, 11:39 | #164 | |
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You have made it clear you arent interested in next gen amigas, so why stick around arguing with people who are interested. Why do you take iot so personally that people do not agree with you? Why are you continually rude to other members of the forum who have a different opinion than yourself? Who made you the god damn next gen amiga messiah? Who are you to insult Pyromania and accuse him of an alterier motive when he has been an active contributing member of this forum well before you? In the nicest possible way shillard, this isnt the way we behave around here. This is a friendly community free of zealots mostly but we do like to look at both sides of the coin from time to time. |
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Some clarification required, I think....
1. I just spent over $1,000 getting a new PPC/060 Cyberstorm unit with RAM sent to me from Germany, to replace a dead one in my A4000. So don't lecture me about fanatics who spend megabucks on PPC classic Amigas.... 2. There's a difference between being rude, and being honest. Mostly my "rudeness" has been in response to equal "rudeness", or me daring to ask questions. Shameful - I know. 3. As for Bill #2, I asked him some pretty simple, general questions about his master plan. I'll give him the credit for responding, but the detail was....lacking. Here's the reply I got, you be the judge: "Thank you very much shillard for taking the time to write these very good questions. As a famous developer once said in the AMOS Pro manual, you have to walk before you can run. We don't own Amiga yet or know their full $ situation so could not answer most of these questions. We are working hard on completing Oil Change first, then Amiga is our next goal if they are even interested. It will be @ least a 12 month process. Please let us know if you have further questions." Oh, the questions were: 1. What is the product roadmap? 2. Overlay with a channel roadmap? 3. Who is the target market? 4. How have they been identified and segmented? How will they be targeted? What is your USP? 5. Who are the distribution partners? 6. What reseller margins, support, co-op activity and terms do you anticipate? How many resellers, where, what channels? 7. What share are you targetting? 8. Portable product? Given the global shift away from desktop PCs to laptops - on all OS platforms. 9. What developer support have you secured - both hardware and software? 10. What's your advertising budget? ATL and BTL? Pretty simple stuff - aside from the dead-obvious question: Why publicise your intent to acquire a non-listed entity when it would appear that no deal has already been struck, you don't know the value of it, you don't know if it is even on the market, and you don't appear to have any solid plans as to what you will do with it? |
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What gives you the right to ask any company these questions? Go on ask any other company you do not plan to invest in these questions, see if you get any answers... now you are just being absurd if you think Pyro owes you any answers to the above questions. |
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Better as decided by the public? The public have a rather alarming habit of being coerced into buying inferior products. Betamax superior to VHS = VHS the victor Just one example where the public decided what was 'better'. A product can be the best no matter what the public think, its just getting them to buy it is the problem! |
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Those questions - all of them - are answered via the websites and/ or annual reports of every major IT operation. Feel free to PM me if you need some pointers to get that information on stuff from Toshiba, Sony, HP, Canon...... |
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Anyways thats it for me in this thread I said my piece as you no doubt will continue to say yours. Lets not let any bad feelings caused by this thread spill out into the rest of the forum as I have no ill feelings towards you or any others. |
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Well mate, YOU have managed to conduct yourself in an adult manner - despite clearly disagreeing with plenty of things I have to say, you didn't have a massive dummy spit about it.
The least I can do is return the favour. BTW: Readers should not that my references to "Slick Willy" apply to Bill #1, not Bill #2 of DFX. |
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Hey Boo Boo - from Galactic coordinates 10,0,11,0,0 by 02 from Galactic Zero Centre - um, care to rephrase the question?
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I do agree with a lot of what Shillard says, but I do think it's the way he puts his views across that has annoyed a lot of people. Maybe if he spent less time being insulting and patronising then none of these silly arguments would have happened. |
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Hi all. Can't you all just either ignore him or add him to your block list? This thread is a little out of control now
There is always one who tries to ruin it for everyone on this board, just don't feed him and eventually it'll go away! |
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I'm sorry, maybe I'm reading a different thread to you, but I haven't found anything irrational. A few examples of what you think are irrational, deluded etc. posts would be good. |
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