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That is probably the reason the developers did only distribute patches and not the OS with them integrated in the first place. And when you modify its functionality, its clearly no longer 3.1 anymore. Even Cloanto acknowledged that, and that is why they called it "3.x". PS: I do not remember all the patches that were not public, but just to name a few, you have the expansion.library patch and the one that increased the stack in various places. Remember they incorporated many of the SetPatch functionality into the rom (I believe they suggested at some point to even remove SetPatch alltogether). I dont see that functionality available publicly. But again, as we agreeded, it is not the point of the matter. |
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07 February 2019, 12:56 | #722 | ||
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PS: if you insist on certain examples to prove your point, then remember what those examples are. SetPatch is there for one reason, and one reason only - bugs in the kickstart. |
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07 February 2019, 13:10 | #723 |
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SetPatch also enables AGA screenmodes, which are disabled by default for compatibility with old floppy-booting software.
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07 February 2019, 13:14 | #725 | |
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No, and that was not what I said. Cloanto asked respective patch authers for permission. Many popular/common patches are specifically not in OS 3.X bexause the authors did not permit it. |
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07 February 2019, 13:15 | #726 |
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07 February 2019, 13:18 | #727 | |
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If you think Cloanto are distributing anything illegally, then please contact the right authorities. As far as I know, they always distributed Amiga OS legally. Last edited by kolla; 07 February 2019 at 13:24. |
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07 February 2019, 13:19 | #728 |
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Well, they do now, now that they own it.
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07 February 2019, 13:29 | #729 | ||
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Perhaps they could have solved this by selling only up to AmigaOS 3.1 and then pointing to a website where users could optionally at their own will/responsability download an installer with patches as you mentioned. Many companies sell products this way to avoid legal issues. Quote:
I agree on your SetPatch´s point in part, but it really does not matter. Because it does not matter how good your intentions are, if you further develop something to in part fix it, then you ARE actually developing it. And that is the point. Bug fixing is part of development, and adding features too. Last edited by gulliver; 07 February 2019 at 13:41. |
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Are you making a reference to the CBM name ? Cloanto (it's a shortcut saying that, but anyway) does not own anything except a brand name.
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Get yourself organized down there! (This is a movie reference) Cloanto has been criticized for _not_ doing development, and now you call it development. |
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I am not accountable for other users opinions. Each can have their own. I am pointing out what I believe are the strong and weak points of both parties involved in this lawsuit, and you decided to dig deeper on the 3.x thing, which is okay. I only wish they would stop this nonsense and put their effort in getting us better products. And, as I said before, it could be very easy for both of them to make a profitable joint venture. |
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Regarding the documents I have read (available somewhere in this thread), if my memory serves me well, I follow @gulliver. Cloanto was allowed to distribute the OS but not to change the code of the OS in any way.
So if they have made a 3.x (was not aware of it since I do not follow them for long now), that is a modification of 3.1 (making new binaries) it's something they were not allowed to do. |
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