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Dual licenses - GPL and commercial. In a way it is better commercially for the current license holders as they essentially have a monopoly on the commercial exploitation of the product. |
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Jens, thank you for stopping by to discuss it. And this is quite positive news actually. Is it possible to give some sort of insight into how much you think it will take? My offer of the first $10K stands, and I suspect we could pass the tin can around here to collect whatever else may be needed.
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Dual should work fine Jens, just as many of the larger companies do with educational and hobby use. One for hobby use and no commercial gain and another for commercial gain with products to be sold ready to use.
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And Jens what about the issues I'd like fixed is $15 not enough? I'd be willing to go as high as $30. If Jens won't fix the couple little things I'll give THIRTY USD to anyone who does.
Personally I prefer P96 over CGX, and I would suggest to anyone who is daunted by P96Mode to try using umc.lha on Aminet. Ceaich from the Vampire team turned me on to it and makes defining new screenmodes so incredibly easy. Basically you just say 800x480@60hz and it spits out the numbers to put into P96mode, maybe some very minor tweaks like position need adjusting but mostly you don't have to. Of course you have the couple boards that CGX supports that P96 doesn't like Cybervision and Bvision PPC (maybe others) would be nice if they were supported in P96 not that I think this would happen or is practical. Also screen-dragging in CGX is a feature I haven't used in so long I forgot it existed it would be nice if someone added this to P96 but I'm not holding my breath. Also Picasso 96 is one of the worst names imaginable which needs to be replaced with something that is timeless and describes the thing that it is supposed to be. List of possible ideas: Trumped Display System Miley Cyrus Graphics Thing for making Workbench look better (TFMWLB) CustomChipsetExit (CCExit) Progressive Retargetable Graphics System (PRTG) I'll think of five more tomorrow. |
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What wasn't public until now was the driver SDK, which means that non-licenced drivers such as the Elbox ones were based on reverse engineering, and one reason why work on Picasso96 by its original authors was stopped. Now that the driver SDK (or something analogous) is to be published, and the current Picasso96 version still is available, this means that you or I may make a card and an accompanying driver without paying anything. Not that it would look like a nice thing to do, but possible and most likely legal – it's doubtful that even the original P96 authors had a case against Elbox since reverse engineering by itself isn't illegal. One could add that each Vampire sold contains a payment to Cloanto for the included Kickstart (even though the buyer already owns a Kickstart), so paying a licence fee for P96 wouldn't come off as new or odd. Quote:
How far along were you in your negotiations with Abt and Kneer when Individual and Hyperion outbid you? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy it directly from them in 2004, 2007, 2009 or 2015 instead of buying it from someone who's just paid money for it and therefore must have business needs for Picasso96? They won't sell it any cheaper. Last edited by idrougge; 19 April 2017 at 09:58. |
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I think you are right in your criticism of the style and content of my posts. They do often have a derailing effect, which is understantably contentious. Perhaps I am also moralizing to people whom I have no real right to moralize. I hope you can see however, that these actions are borne out of a certain empassioned frustration. I have had countless years with this community, and I have reached a breaking point regarding certain aspects of it which seem self-destructive and problematic (to say the very least). Now I have some resources and some motivation to perhaps help guide things to a better place, and I simply want to do that. As silly, hopeless, or even misguided as this may seem to you, I would like to leave the house in a better condition than I found it. So yeah, why didn't I step in at any point before and attempt to acquire Picasso96? Why didn't I do so many things that I should have done in this life. But here we are in the present moment, and I present to you what I can offer now. You may not agree that my comments are "constructive", and you may be right, but I am attempting to lend you a bit of my passion here, strongly suggesting that there is a better way overall. |
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I did read Grond's complete posting, and I did understand that he was not just talking about me, but also Hyperion. Ranting about the financial situation of any entity (person or company) without any secured knowledge can be considered badmouthing.
More diplomatic terms would be "un-educated guess" or "speculation" - none of them helping the discussion in any way. Jens |
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In any case, I don't believe they put any money into the deal. As I already said, I believe that their consent was required which caused money to go into their direction and not the opposite. This is, of course, speculative but it makes sense and fits the different pieces of information, rumours and informed opinions about the subject much better than the hilarious idea that Hyperion would spend any money (let alone a significant sum that you couldn't afford) for P96 sources they don't need and that according to you yourself are not likely to return any profits in the near future. Is this clear enough about the speculative nature of what I'm writing? |
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Be careful what you say or it may be slander. You are already walking a fine line as the bankruptcy was reversed so it never happened. Perhaps more accurately would be to state, "Hyperion is notorious for having been declared bankrupt."
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And you are notorious for drawing the wrong conclusions due to false information, or at least putting the wrong weight on the number of rumors you're falsely taking as information.
As Matthey already pointed out, bankruptcy did not happen. It was an administrative mishap that - within Belgian legislation - automatically starts a bankruptcy case. This is first-hand information. (...) Quote:
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Perhaps the complexities are lost on me, but I can only see positives to the sale of what was practically abandonware that is critical to new Amiga RTG developments. Freeing up the API is good, having a possibility for users to buy licences at reasonable cost is fair, the possibility of new releases... what's not to like?
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That it isn't completely free to use and modify as one pleases.
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I get that in an ideal world all software would be free, but until the military industrial complex is overturned and capitalism crushed, it's not unreasonable to expect programmers to work for free, or to not place a monetary value on their output.
Other than being free and open sourced, this is a step up from abandoned proprietary commercial software. |
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I agree, I think this is a Good Thing. And many thanks Jens, really good to see the commitment to open the API which will help many projects. I am fascinated to see what you're going to do with this beyond that commitment, and really look forward to seeing what's next. Just make it elegant . That's the thing that, on reflection, I still appreciate about the Amiga from the mid-80s |
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