Better Outrun port for Amiga

[eXeler0]

Originally Posted by tekopaa

Has there been any project to make or port Outrun for Amiga. The orginal port is one of worst games i played Sega Megadrive port is amazing Atari ST is bad too.

I think the first proper (Arcade perfect) Outrun port was on the SEGA Saturn, a bunch of years after the other ports. (The Saturn Sprite Scaling capabilities could match that of the Arcade hardware).
In the 80's, the Megadrive was in fact pretty decent, but you'd expect that from SEGA wouldnt you. The PC Engine port wasn't bad either. The Amiga port certainly was a huge, huge disappointment at the time. While it would be interesting to see an Amiga port optimized for AGA Amigas with 030 or better, I don't think its gonna happen any time soon ;-)

[john1979]

Originally Posted by eXeler0

While it would be interesting to see an Amiga port optimized for AGA Amigas with 030 or better, I don't think its gonna happen any time soon ;-)

I doubt we will ever see a port for AGA from the arcade version. But don't forget about us 020 users, we don't all have accelerators .

[jolly11]

I don't mind if isn't a 1:1 conversion, I can play it in many way (I like very much saturn's version), the goal must be to do a better conversion than the one we had with the same hardware (amiga 500 with 1 mega)

[Coagulus]

Mine's smoother than the original - and I just used colour rotation! ;-)

zipped adf for aga included (don't get hopes up, it was quick!) with Blitz2.1 source in case someone could actually make a full game out of it.

[lesta_smsc]

Originally Posted by Coagulus

Mine's smoother than the original - and I just used colour rotation! ;-)

zipped adf for aga included (don't get hopes up, it was quick!) with Blitz2.1 source in case someone could actually make a full game out of it.

lol ... not bad... it's a start!

[dlfrsilver]

yes it's not bad. This game would require some visual tricks in order to be able to do some of the nice effects the coin-op has

[lesta_smsc]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

yes it's not bad. This game would require some visual tricks in order to be able to do some of the nice effects the coin-op has

The Arcade version is ace! I was surprised by its graphics when I replayed it recently. I recall the C64 being what I believed to me a good port considering the time it released. I very much doubt the Amiga version had much of an improvement other than graphics being brighter lol

[Amiga1992]

HEre's an article discussing the process of making a game of this type. I thought it might help anyone interested in developing such a game:
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/Brand..._the_trade.php

[DisposableHero]

Not sure how much memory having the full graphics implemented would take, but using a 14Mhz processor to emulate 2 10Mhz ones and a 3.54 (presumably) Z80 sounds like a big ask, even with fastram. Lotus 2 shows the limits of this type of game on the A500, and the scenery is nowhere near as complex as arcade OutRun. Lotus 3 is far too slow in places on an A500.

[Gzegzolka]

Originally Posted by Akira

HEre's an article discussing the process of making a game of this type. I thought it might help anyone interested in developing such a game:
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/Brand..._the_trade.php

I do not like idea of killing deers, but those pixels look very addictive It reminds me old pc-dos World Rally Fever , both game are very heavy about amount of sprites and brushes used to put on tracks as decoration.

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by DisposableHero

Not sure how much memory having the full graphics implemented would take, but using a 14Mhz processor to emulate 2 10Mhz ones and a 3.54 (presumably) Z80 sounds like a big ask, even with fastram. Lotus 2 shows the limits of this type of game on the A500, and the scenery is nowhere near as complex as arcade OutRun. Lotus 3 is far too slow in places on an A500.

Agree with you: the mountain scenes were unbearable on my old A500; probably because side sprites were too big and using too much colors: however i suppose that with some smart tweaking (like using mixed bitmaps on/off and such) and 25fps rather than 50 more detail can be reached

[SilentBob]

Originally Posted by lesta_smsc

The Arcade version is ace! I was surprised by its graphics when I replayed it recently. I recall the C64 being what I believed to me a good port considering the time it released. I very much doubt the Amiga version had much of an improvement other than graphics being brighter lol

The annoying thing about the C64 version is that there are no road forks. You have to load all the singular tracks and play them separately.

[s2325]

PC DOS CGA [ Show youtube player ]

[eXeler0]

Although a better A500 port would be an interesting challenge, I doubt it can magically be much better than Lotus (2) so really, an A1200 (with some fastmem) port maybe would be a bit more rewarding considering it could look more like the Arcade version.
The PC Engine version looked pretty good an that hardware is much older than the A1200.
As for the c64 version, I was pretty disappointed. Granted I was a huge fan of the arcade so expectations were probably always going to be too high... but I remember it was much too easy and I finished it like in the first attempt.
Gameplay wise Buggy Boy was much much better than OutRun on the c64.

[adrdesign]

Eerm... just for the record...
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=998600&postcount=17
I think threads can be mixed or something.

[s2325]

I think Amiga need Hyper Crash [ Show youtube player ] not Outrun.

[saimon69]

@s2325
hypercrash seems absolutely feasible, but is a low hanging fruit, Outrun is the yummy big cherry in top of the 300 ft tree, with in the middle a couple of beehives, rabid squirrels and an hungry grizzly bear, THAT is the goal why? Because Amiga version did suck and for the Honor we gotta show we can! (ok exaggerated but is that the spirit)

Suggestion:
i did see again the Big Run port and realized that, like unreal flight phase, is using dual playfield in hi-res non interlaced that also seem a faster mode; do that might give some hnts on how to do stuff? how fast is hi-res non int 16?

[vulture]

I'm kinda baffled about Lotus 3's speed on A500 you know. I've seen this vid from Zeus:

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which, as you can see on the comments section, is ran on a true A500 and the rock section seems pretty flawless. The guy asking seems baffled as well as he has experienced the same slow downs everyone else is talking about here.

Is it possible that there's actually a slower and another, proper version of the game?

Otherwise, how could you explain that? I've no real A500 to try it on, only A1200 and the whdload version works just like on the video, but that could be just A1200's hardware having some rare speed-up effect on the game. Any ideas?

[saimon69]

@vulture
that guy is me, and i remember Lotus III mountain level damn slow in my 500 1.2 1 meg (that i have in europe) so unless the version i had was a beta and then the final version did run smoother had no clue...

(should not be a factor but i also used to play with music on)

[vulture]

I see.... Perhaps someone here has a WHDLoad capable A500 to try it on? Or just a different floppy version? I'm talking of course about single player mode. Split screen wouldn't be as smooth.