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because ,it doesn't do that much more spec wise? basically paying to enable extra memory thats already there for you,is irrational? because its there and not "doing"anything that it should out the box who is going to overclock a low spec 020 card? i dont really see what your trying justify here. its like saying you bought a car that can have four wheels,but you only get the fourth one if you pay extra to drive it away? do you still think buying something crippled is irrational? |
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21 July 2015, 22:12 | #62 |
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loaded language like "crippled" isn't going to convince me of anything... you pay for what you think the functionality is worth. what is physically there is of no importance at all. it's only what it DOES that matters.
it's not irrational. it is perfectly standard practice throughout the whole of the technology industry and has been since forever. (in fact it is not just the technology industry, but because you can't "see" what the hardware can do they have a lot more freedom to do it.) If you think €57 is a fair price for 16MHz and 9Mb, then pay that much and get that much. If you think €107 is a fair price for 28MHz and 63Mb, then pay that much and get that much. It's as simple as that. It especially makes sense because the actual components cost pennies compared to the R&D and the tooling. The one-off costs dwarf the per-unit costs for small runs of anything, so it becomes even more important that you maximise volume. |
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In this case, the sillicon is known to have the extra capability onboard already in advance. So it is known crippled by the locking firmware or you would have to perform hardware changes to upgrade. If your ok with that philisophically then fine, but maybe its why people are making a fuss about it. |
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21 July 2015, 22:19 | #64 | |
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im not getting upset. if they had forty euros lying around they can afford to buy it full on,cant they? its an opinion,silence can be taken as acceptance....as in,saying nothing. and if its accepted then whats next,unlockable motherboards thats crippled in some way for retro computers? hmm. feeling the way for what i wonder? for a bit of extra cash...when its already there... like,or dont like...its a crappy idea but if you like it fair enough. i dont live in a world of likes alone ,like facebook,so here i am in an open forum. expressing my opinion. |
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21 July 2015, 22:22 | #65 | |
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@roy_bates: don't buy it if you don't think the price is fair for what you get. simple as that. personally i'm happy for any marketing strategy that gets the per-unit cost as low as possible. |
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21 July 2015, 22:28 | #67 | |
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what is there is important,you pay for what is there...are you blind? if its already there and you paid £57 for it what do you think its worth and if its already there,why would it be worth more? i think you get my point...that wasnt a very good argument that you came up with really was it? no,its not standard practice... |
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21 July 2015, 22:32 | #68 |
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"This train of thoughts seems pretty similar to hopping on a bus and refusing to pay, because it's driving my direction anyway. Try to explain that to the person that wants to see your ticket..."
erm,what? i pay for a ticket to get to the destination whatever that may be...not part way to be kicked off by the fat controller" after seeing the ticket i paid for in advance"? whats your point? sorry,i dont come here for riddles.and it wont make me like the idea any better |
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yes, indeed, and my hard drive is also already there. so i should not have to pay anything to get software to put on it? so that i can actually USE my computer? no.. it is perfectly reasonable to buy a computer without software, and then pay more later to buy software so you can do things with your computer that you couldn't do before. because someone has spent time and effort developing the software. you seem to be stuck in some bizarre mindset where physical objects have some inherent value based on their potential, rather than their actual functionality. so maybe i should buy a block of marble and demand that an artist carve a statue out of it, and i won't pay him any more because the statue was already there inside it. |
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21 July 2015, 22:57 | #72 | |
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How about selling a full version of ACA-1221 which doesn't require any license handling at all at the highest price, just flash it without license code during production, and in parallel you sell the low price version with license handling. I think the online retailers can deal with two versions of ACA-1221 in their systems, and both sides of this argument gets what they want. |
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more riddles? i buy software all the time..its just not crippled before i put ON my hard-drive..nor do i pay for someone else to put it there. understand now? i know its there,so its function is to work...to be disabled and enabled for a price is a no no. its up to you if you if buy a marble block isnt it? like its up to me if i buy this card,which,is what we are talking about,isnt it? and no,its NOT bizarre to expect hardware thats already there to be enabled...your bizarre mate if you dont. and no again,there value means nothing,but since it already has price tag on it with value not set by me,how much do you think its worth...thats what im saying. i couldnt care less if the card was another 40 euros to enable it all,the point was why not just add the extra 40 and be done with it in the first place?instead of twiddling the thumbs together thinking about what its worth to enable it? then finding out how many had it done for future refrence for future hardware...as a test feeler? the fact it already has a price tag,usually means thats what the person was happy to sell it for? or did i just miss something? you might not of read that part though. yes,its choice... and i dont come here that often,so,i made the choice to comment and to not like the idea. Last edited by roy bates; 21 July 2015 at 23:12. |
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21 July 2015, 23:09 | #75 |
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Jens, if I install basic ACA1221 (unlocked) to A1200, how much the system will be improved? I will get 9MB of Fastmem, beside this is there any other advantage to plain unexpanded A1200? I mean difference of EC020 vs 020 etc. If I do not want to use additional clockports, RTCs, unlock ACA in the future and so on, just what is the power difference between A1200 and A1200 equipped with ACA1221?
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Ok let's put the riddles aside and make it straightforward. You are saying you don't want to pay £57 for something that has £57 worth of functionality because it could be worth £90 instead and you wouldn't mind paying that much for £90 worth of functionality. Even though you will actually be able to do that. |
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I don't like those unlock features because software can permanently change how hardware works. What if something goes wrong?
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21 July 2015, 23:28 | #78 |
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Another 'wonderful' piece of Amiga hardware, wont be sampling any of the upgrade delights that come with this.
Have already fallen fowl to iComp beta hardware ... finished IndivisionAGA Mrk2 firmware anyone (I've been waiting so long now I actually don't care anymore)... what about a fix for the RapidRoad driver lockups (yip I did buy another one after the fiasco with the first, more fool me), crippled ACA500 with its 2mb memory, we did try and tell you. Oh and lets not forget the Apollo design purchase, thanks so much for saving us and 'shelving the world's worst Amiga products' (YOUR OWN WORDS), you've made some real stinkers yourself. |
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This is the assumption I don't agree with. The lower price doesn't necessarily mean more people will buy it, since the "bare bones" model is so basic.
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