Is Lotus II Linkup Possible???

06 April 2003, 16:33

Does anybody know if it is possible to get the serial link to work on 2 PC's in WinUAE so that we can play 4 player Lotus again???

If not is there an emulator that supports the serial side of the Amiga, maybe Fellow?

We tried the other day with Serial Cable, Null Modem and a 9 to 25 pin convertor.

No luck though :-(

Any reason why this would not work?

mtb · 07 April 2003, 10:32

I tried moreless a year ago to connect my miggy and my pc with a null modem, but nothing worked together ( i think there was 8.17 ).

I really don't know.

Quote:

Originally posted by LingLong
Does anybody know if it is possible to get the serial link to work on 2 PC's in WinUAE so that we can play 4 player Lotus again???

If not is there an emulator that supports the serial side of the Amiga, maybe Fellow?

We tried the other day with Serial Cable, Null Modem and a 9 to 25 pin convertor.

No luck though :-(

Any reason why this would not work?

Toni Wilen · 07 April 2003, 11:30

Unfortunately many serial link games use Amiga specific 9-bit serial mode (1 start bit + 9 data bits + 1 stop bit) which PC serial ports can't handle.

But next WinUAE release may work with some games (rewritten and much more compatible serial port emulation)

mtb · 07 April 2003, 15:15

Didn't know this feature...

Quote:

Originally posted by Toni Wilen
Unfortunately many serial link games use Amiga specific 9-bit serial mode (1 start bit + 9 data bits + 1 stop bit) which PC serial ports can't handle.

Good!

Quote:

But next WinUAE release may work with some games (rewritten and much more compatible serial port emulation)

07 April 2003, 17:53

Thanks for the info guys.

I will give it another go when the next WinUAE is out.

spiff · 08 April 2003, 11:26

Stuntcar racer anyone?

Toni Wilen · 08 April 2003, 18:48

Good news, you can ignore my previous post because both Stunt Car Racer (uses 9-bit mode) and Lotus 2 (regular 8-bit mode) now work in serial link mode.

Probably all other link games work too but only those two are tested and confirmed working.

I implemented simple hack that doubles the external PC baud rate and sends 9-bit data in two bytes, then receiving end simply collects the two bytes and merges them back to 9-bit data. All this happens transparently.

Unfortunately PC hardware limitation makes it impossible to connect PC running emulator to real Amiga and run programs that use 9-bit mode.

and before someone asks: Yes, routing serial port to network is possible and may be done someday...

andreas · 09 April 2003, 09:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Toni Wilen
Unfortunately PC hardware limitation makes it impossible to connect PC running emulator to real Amiga and run programs that use 9-bit mode.

So this could mean games using 8-bit mode (Lotus 2) might work with PC running WinUAE <-> real Amiga setup?
Great!

BippyM · 09 April 2003, 12:39

and even better Kailliera

or even 4 player net link option (With Kaillera!)

geoslake · 09 December 2007, 17:11

hey

Id like to know if there has been some progress on this recently.
is it now somehow possible to play stunt car or lotus with 2 winuae (each on his pc) on LAN ?
Thanks

Toni Wilen · 10 December 2007, 16:20

No, sorry. Not interested enough and Lotus II most likely never works without doing it Kaillera-style. (Game requires really low delays)

geoslake · 10 December 2007, 22:17

ok
thank you very much for telling me, Tony
(was more intersted in Stunt car racer, but anyway)

Sune Salminen · 11 December 2007, 19:24

From what Toni Wilen says (a few posts above), Stunt Car Racer already works.

Has anybody actually connected two PCs with a serial cable and tried it yet?

I would try it myself but I only have one working monitor available at the moment.

S

Hungry Horace · 11 December 2007, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sune Salminen

From what Toni Wilen says (a few posts above), Stunt Car Racer already works.

geoslake was asking if it could be done via LAN, not direct serial-serial connection.

shame Toni isnt interested in this or even shared-emulator linkup.

i could both being very popular features, and used a lot more than some of the other stuff which winuae already has.

Thalion · 12 December 2007, 02:32

I Agree, that would be a really great feature. Similar to kaillera but with better WinUAE. It makes really great fun to play over lan. I Sometime play Sensible Soccer that way.

geoslake · 12 December 2007, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thalion

It makes really great fun to play over lan. I Sometime play Sensible Soccer that way.

you mean with real amiga's, right ?

Thalion · 12 December 2007, 13:35

No with two pc via the WinUAEKaillera.

geoslake · 12 December 2007, 22:03

ok, but then, its for games with 2 (or more) players on screen, not for serila link games, i guess (?)

EmuChicken · 12 December 2007, 23:56

couldnt they be linked with network host / join anyway? kaillera type stuff?

real shame though, this would probably be more handy to anyone than anything that can be added currently to winuae

Sune Salminen · 13 December 2007, 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

geoslake was asking if it could be done via LAN, not direct serial-serial connection.

Yeah I missed that.

Maybe there is something out there that can redirect the serial port traffic to LAN..?

But then the latency would probably be too high for games.

S

06 April 2003, 16:33	#1
LingLong Posts: n/a	Is Lotus II Linkup Possible??? Does anybody know if it is possible to get the serial link to work on 2 PC's in WinUAE so that we can play 4 player Lotus again??? If not is there an emulator that supports the serial side of the Amiga, maybe Fellow? We tried the other day with Serial Cable, Null Modem and a 9 to 25 pin convertor. No luck though :-( Any reason why this would not work?

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07 April 2003, 11:30	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,545	Unfortunately many serial link games use Amiga specific 9-bit serial mode (1 start bit + 9 data bits + 1 stop bit) which PC serial ports can't handle. But next WinUAE release may work with some games (rewritten and much more compatible serial port emulation)

07 April 2003, 17:53	#5
LingLong Posts: n/a	Thanks for the info guys. I will give it another go when the next WinUAE is out.

08 April 2003, 11:26	#6
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	Stuntcar racer anyone?

08 April 2003, 18:48	#7
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,545	Good news, you can ignore my previous post because both Stunt Car Racer (uses 9-bit mode) and Lotus 2 (regular 8-bit mode) now work in serial link mode. Probably all other link games work too but only those two are tested and confirmed working. I implemented simple hack that doubles the external PC baud rate and sends 9-bit data in two bytes, then receiving end simply collects the two bytes and merges them back to 9-bit data. All this happens transparently. Unfortunately PC hardware limitation makes it impossible to connect PC running emulator to real Amiga and run programs that use 9-bit mode. and before someone asks: Yes, routing serial port to network is possible and may be done someday...

09 April 2003, 12:39	#9
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	and even better Kailliera or even 4 player net link option (With Kaillera!)

09 December 2007, 17:11	#10
geoslake Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: toulouse Posts: 30	hey Id like to know if there has been some progress on this recently. is it now somehow possible to play stunt car or lotus with 2 winuae (each on his pc) on LAN ? Thanks

10 December 2007, 16:20	#11
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,545	No, sorry. Not interested enough and Lotus II most likely never works without doing it Kaillera-style. (Game requires really low delays)

10 December 2007, 22:17	#12
geoslake Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: toulouse Posts: 30	ok thank you very much for telling me, Tony (was more intersted in Stunt car racer, but anyway)

11 December 2007, 19:24	#13
Sune Salminen Dinamáquina Join Date: May 2002 Location: BH/Brasil Age: 49 Posts: 370	From what Toni Wilen says (a few posts above), Stunt Car Racer already works. Has anybody actually connected two PCs with a serial cable and tried it yet? I would try it myself but I only have one working monitor available at the moment. S

12 December 2007, 02:32	#15
Thalion Amiga Collector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 679	I Agree, that would be a really great feature. Similar to kaillera but with better WinUAE. It makes really great fun to play over lan. I Sometime play Sensible Soccer that way.

12 December 2007, 13:35	#17
Thalion Amiga Collector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 679	No with two pc via the WinUAEKaillera.

12 December 2007, 22:03	#18
geoslake Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: toulouse Posts: 30	ok, but then, its for games with 2 (or more) players on screen, not for serila link games, i guess (?)

12 December 2007, 23:56	#19
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	couldnt they be linked with network host / join anyway? kaillera type stuff? real shame though, this would probably be more handy to anyone than anything that can be added currently to winuae

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