Zip Drive & WinUAE?

Mag1c1an · 03 July 2006, 16:25

Hi all,

I have searched but couldn't really find any relevant information to what i would like to do.

I would like to be able to use my ide zip drive in my pc through winuae.

Is anybody else managing to do this okay?

I have searched on the net, but at the moment i am unable to format the zip disk. I have winuae log telling me that it has found my zip 100 drive on uaescsi.device unit 4, i have installed Z100 and im using the ZPC DosDriver that i used to use on my Amiga. I have edited the icon tooltypes to read uaescsi.device and unit 4.

However, when i go into my workbench with winuae it doesnt acknowledge that the zip disk has been inserted until i reset winuae, and then i am unable to format the disk, even though the zip disk is formatted in FAT and ZPC Dos Driver can use that on a real amiga.

Thanks for any help

Toni Wilen · 03 July 2006, 23:44

It should work. Enable logging in misc-panel and run WinUAE with -scsilog command line parameter ("winuae.exe -scsilog"), boot to WB normally, try to mount the device, exit WinUAE and attach or email the log file (winuaebootlog.txt and winuaelog.txt), thanks

Mag1c1an · 04 July 2006, 09:27

Hi Toni,

Ran my WinUAE with the following -noaspicfiltering -scsilog. Couldn't find a seperate scsilog but the winuaelog is larger than normal with loads of scsi stuff in it.

Inserted my Zip Drive, and when i run Safe100 it recognises that the Zip Drive is in the Drive, i can eject it. But when i try and format the disk it says Disk is write protected and it isnt it is just formatted in FAT.

Should i try a different DosDriver? Which do you recommend?

Here are my logs

winuaebootlog.txt

winuaelog.txt

Thanks for the help.

Toni Wilen · 04 July 2006, 09:54

Try SPTI or SPTI+SCSI SCAN settings in misc-panel. (next to uaescsi.device enable-checkbox) Nero ASPI may not support non-CDROM devices 100%.

Mag1c1an · 04 July 2006, 12:40

With SPTI i get the following:-

SPTI: inquiry failed unit 4 ('\\?\usb#vid_04b8&pid_011d#6&12ed234a&0&1#{6bdd1fc6-810f-11d0-bec7-08002be2092f}':-1:-1:-1:-1)
SPTI: unit 4 closed
SPTI: unit 4 closed

With SPTI + SCAN i get:-

SPTI: unit 4 '\\?\usb#vid_04b8&pid_011d#6&12ed234a&0&1#{6bdd1fc6-810f-11d0-bec7-08002be2092f}' added
SCSI ERROR, H=3A8:-1:-1:-1:-1: Status = 0, Error code = 0, LastError=50
12.00.00.00.24.00
SPTI: inquiry failed unit 4 ('\\?\usb#vid_04b8&pid_011d#6&12ed234a&0&1#{6bdd1fc6-810f-11d0-bec7-08002be2092f}':-1:-1:-1:-1)
SPTI: unit 4 closed
SPTI: unit 4 closed

With AdaptecASPI i get:-

ASPI: driver location 'WNASPI32'
ASPI: open_driver 106 HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6
ASPI: open_driver HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6
ASPI: SCSI scan starting..
ASPI: 0:0:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-109 ' '1.58' [CDROM,ATAPI]
ASPI: 0:1:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-105 ' '1.33' [CDROM,ATAPI]
ASPI: 1:1:0 'IOMEGA ' 'ZIP 100 ' '23.D' [0,ATAPI]
ASPI: 2:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI]
ASPI: 2:1:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI]
ASPI: 3:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'B300S0 ' 'BANC' [0,SCSI]
ASPI: 4:0:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI]
ASPI: 4:1:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI]
ASPI: 5:0:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-MSC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:1:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SMC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:2:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SDC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:3:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-CFC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:4:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120M0 ' 'YAR5'
ASPI: SCSI scan ended
support_scsi = 1 support_ioctl = 0
uaescsi.device:0 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58'
uaescsi.device:1 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105 1.33'
uaescsi.device:4 = 'IOMEGA ZIP 100 23.D'
uaescsi.device:5 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4'
uaescsi.device:6 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4'
uaescsi.device:7 = 'Maxtor 6 B300S0 BANC'
uaescsi.device:2 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B'
uaescsi.device:3 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B'

WinUAE Amiga recognises Drive but when i try and format i get the ZIP/ZPC is write protected, but it definetly isnt.

With NeroASPI i get:-

ASPI: driver location 'D:\Nero\Nero\wnaspi32.dll'
ASPI: open_driver 106 HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6
ASPI: open_driver HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6
ASPI: SCSI scan starting..
ASPI: 0:0:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-109 ' '1.58' [CDROM,ATAPI]
ASPI: 0:1:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-105 ' '1.33' [CDROM,ATAPI]
ASPI: 1:1:0 'IOMEGA ' 'ZIP 100 ' '23.D' [0,ATAPI]
ASPI: 2:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI]
ASPI: 2:1:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI]
ASPI: 3:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'B300S0 ' 'BANC' [0,SCSI]
ASPI: 4:0:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI]
ASPI: 4:1:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI]
ASPI: 5:0:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-MSC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:1:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SMC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:2:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SDC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:3:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-CFC ' 'I19A'
ASPI: 5:4:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120M0 ' 'YAR5'
ASPI: SCSI scan ended
support_scsi = 1 support_ioctl = 0
uaescsi.device:0 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58'
uaescsi.device:1 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105 1.33'
uaescsi.device:4 = 'IOMEGA ZIP 100 23.D'
uaescsi.device:5 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4'
uaescsi.device:6 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4'
uaescsi.device:7 = 'Maxtor 6 B300S0 BANC'
uaescsi.device:2 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B'
uaescsi.device:3 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B'

Same again, WinUAE recognises the drive but unable to format drive.

Toni Wilen · 04 July 2006, 14:26

I think the problem is that uaescsi.device does not (yet) support any trackdisk-device type writing commands (CMD_WRITE and CMD_FORMAT) but simply returns write protected error. I'll implement this in future.. (uaescsi.device was originally made for CD-drives only and CD-R writing does not need it because writing uses SCSI write-commands)

Anyway, ZIP drive writing should work if there is "use SCSI Direct" or similar option somewhere in mountlist settings.

SPTI error means your device driver does not accept SCSI direct for some reason (another unexplained Windows mystery.. ASPI, at least in theory, uses exact same interface and it does work..)

Mag1c1an · 04 July 2006, 14:46

Thanks for the info, its great that you are going to implement this in future. I know from looking around on the internet that quite a few people would like to be able to use there ide zip drives through WinUAE.

Look forware to a newer version. Thanks again.

Photon · 04 July 2006, 20:55

I have a PC Zip drive and an Amiga with Zip drive. Is it possible to transfer files from PC to Amiga via a Zip disk, and how? It would mean a lot to me if it works.

thomas · 04 July 2006, 21:57

The Amiga can read PC formatted ZIP disks with FAT95.

Photon · 11 July 2006, 14:41

What program do I need? I have an A500 with 68040 and OS2.0

thomas · 11 July 2006, 15:33

Quote:

What program do I need? I have an A500 with 68040 and OS2.0

Is it really so difficult to click on a link ?

Quote:

The Amiga can read PC formatted ZIP disks with FAT95.<== this is a link !

killergorilla · 11 July 2006, 15:55

IIRC, my zip drive used to show up as DF4 on my amiga and crossdos worked with it...

If my memory is still good

Nice second link by the way

Nice and clear this time

thomas · 11 July 2006, 16:14

CrossDOS, MessyDOS (MSH), XFS all do the same. But FAT95 is probably the most advanced one. It supports long file names, FAT32 partitions, PC partition tables and even has chkdisk functionality.

P.S. there are no links in this post

killergorilla · 11 July 2006, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

P.S. there are no links in this post

Nice.

I wish I'd have read more in to FAT95 at the time, didn't realise it could do long filenames.

03 July 2006, 16:25	#1
Mag1c1an Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hinckley / UK Age: 54 Posts: 16	Zip Drive & WinUAE? Hi all, I have searched but couldn't really find any relevant information to what i would like to do. I would like to be able to use my ide zip drive in my pc through winuae. Is anybody else managing to do this okay? I have searched on the net, but at the moment i am unable to format the zip disk. I have winuae log telling me that it has found my zip 100 drive on uaescsi.device unit 4, i have installed Z100 and im using the ZPC DosDriver that i used to use on my Amiga. I have edited the icon tooltypes to read uaescsi.device and unit 4. However, when i go into my workbench with winuae it doesnt acknowledge that the zip disk has been inserted until i reset winuae, and then i am unable to format the disk, even though the zip disk is formatted in FAT and ZPC Dos Driver can use that on a real amiga. Thanks for any help

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03 July 2006, 23:44	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	It should work. Enable logging in misc-panel and run WinUAE with -scsilog command line parameter ("winuae.exe -scsilog"), boot to WB normally, try to mount the device, exit WinUAE and attach or email the log file (winuaebootlog.txt and winuaelog.txt), thanks

04 July 2006, 09:27	#3
Mag1c1an Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hinckley / UK Age: 54 Posts: 16	Hi Toni, Ran my WinUAE with the following -noaspicfiltering -scsilog. Couldn't find a seperate scsilog but the winuaelog is larger than normal with loads of scsi stuff in it. Inserted my Zip Drive, and when i run Safe100 it recognises that the Zip Drive is in the Drive, i can eject it. But when i try and format the disk it says Disk is write protected and it isnt it is just formatted in FAT. Should i try a different DosDriver? Which do you recommend? Here are my logs winuaebootlog.txt winuaelog.txt Thanks for the help.

04 July 2006, 09:54	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	Try SPTI or SPTI+SCSI SCAN settings in misc-panel. (next to uaescsi.device enable-checkbox) Nero ASPI may not support non-CDROM devices 100%.

04 July 2006, 12:40	#5
Mag1c1an Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hinckley / UK Age: 54 Posts: 16	With SPTI i get the following:- SPTI: inquiry failed unit 4 ('\\?\usb#vid_04b8&pid_011d#6&12ed234a&0&1#{6bdd1fc6-810f-11d0-bec7-08002be2092f}':-1:-1:-1:-1) SPTI: unit 4 closed SPTI: unit 4 closed With SPTI + SCAN i get:- SPTI: unit 4 '\\?\usb#vid_04b8&pid_011d#6&12ed234a&0&1#{6bdd1fc6-810f-11d0-bec7-08002be2092f}' added SCSI ERROR, H=3A8:-1:-1:-1:-1: Status = 0, Error code = 0, LastError=50 12.00.00.00.24.00 SPTI: inquiry failed unit 4 ('\\?\usb#vid_04b8&pid_011d#6&12ed234a&0&1#{6bdd1fc6-810f-11d0-bec7-08002be2092f}':-1:-1:-1:-1) SPTI: unit 4 closed SPTI: unit 4 closed With AdaptecASPI i get:- ASPI: driver location 'WNASPI32' ASPI: open_driver 106 HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6 ASPI: open_driver HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6 ASPI: SCSI scan starting.. ASPI: 0:0:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-109 ' '1.58' [CDROM,ATAPI] ASPI: 0:1:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-105 ' '1.33' [CDROM,ATAPI] ASPI: 1:1:0 'IOMEGA ' 'ZIP 100 ' '23.D' [0,ATAPI] ASPI: 2:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI] ASPI: 2:1:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI] ASPI: 3:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'B300S0 ' 'BANC' [0,SCSI] ASPI: 4:0:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI] ASPI: 4:1:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI] ASPI: 5:0:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-MSC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:1:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SMC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:2:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SDC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:3:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-CFC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:4:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120M0 ' 'YAR5' ASPI: SCSI scan ended support_scsi = 1 support_ioctl = 0 uaescsi.device:0 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58' uaescsi.device:1 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105 1.33' uaescsi.device:4 = 'IOMEGA ZIP 100 23.D' uaescsi.device:5 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4' uaescsi.device:6 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4' uaescsi.device:7 = 'Maxtor 6 B300S0 BANC' uaescsi.device:2 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B' uaescsi.device:3 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B' WinUAE Amiga recognises Drive but when i try and format i get the ZIP/ZPC is write protected, but it definetly isnt. With NeroASPI i get:- ASPI: driver location 'D:\Nero\Nero\wnaspi32.dll' ASPI: open_driver 106 HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6 ASPI: open_driver HostASPIStatus=0x1 HACount=0x6 ASPI: SCSI scan starting.. ASPI: 0:0:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-109 ' '1.58' [CDROM,ATAPI] ASPI: 0:1:0 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-105 ' '1.33' [CDROM,ATAPI] ASPI: 1:1:0 'IOMEGA ' 'ZIP 100 ' '23.D' [0,ATAPI] ASPI: 2:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI] ASPI: 2:1:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120L0 ' 'YAR4' [0,ATAPI] ASPI: 3:0:0 'Maxtor 6' 'B300S0 ' 'BANC' [0,SCSI] ASPI: 4:0:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI] ASPI: 4:1:0 'JK2493W ' 'YWX214F ' '2.0B' [CDROM,SCSI] ASPI: 5:0:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-MSC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:1:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SMC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:2:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-SDC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:3:0 'Generic ' 'USB Storage-CFC ' 'I19A' ASPI: 5:4:0 'Maxtor 6' 'Y120M0 ' 'YAR5' ASPI: SCSI scan ended support_scsi = 1 support_ioctl = 0 uaescsi.device:0 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58' uaescsi.device:1 = 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105 1.33' uaescsi.device:4 = 'IOMEGA ZIP 100 23.D' uaescsi.device:5 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4' uaescsi.device:6 = 'Maxtor 6 Y120L0 YAR4' uaescsi.device:7 = 'Maxtor 6 B300S0 BANC' uaescsi.device:2 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B' uaescsi.device:3 = 'JK2493W YWX214F 2.0B' Same again, WinUAE recognises the drive but unable to format drive.

04 July 2006, 14:26	#6
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	I think the problem is that uaescsi.device does not (yet) support any trackdisk-device type writing commands (CMD_WRITE and CMD_FORMAT) but simply returns write protected error. I'll implement this in future.. (uaescsi.device was originally made for CD-drives only and CD-R writing does not need it because writing uses SCSI write-commands) Anyway, ZIP drive writing should work if there is "use SCSI Direct" or similar option somewhere in mountlist settings. SPTI error means your device driver does not accept SCSI direct for some reason (another unexplained Windows mystery.. ASPI, at least in theory, uses exact same interface and it does work..)

04 July 2006, 14:46	#7
Mag1c1an Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hinckley / UK Age: 54 Posts: 16	Thanks for the info, its great that you are going to implement this in future. I know from looking around on the internet that quite a few people would like to be able to use there ide zip drives through WinUAE. Look forware to a newer version. Thanks again.

04 July 2006, 20:55	#8
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,625	I have a PC Zip drive and an Amiga with Zip drive. Is it possible to transfer files from PC to Amiga via a Zip disk, and how? It would mean a lot to me if it works.

04 July 2006, 21:57	#9
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,004	The Amiga can read PC formatted ZIP disks with FAT95.

11 July 2006, 14:41	#10
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,625	What program do I need? I have an A500 with 68040 and OS2.0

11 July 2006, 15:55	#12
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	IIRC, my zip drive used to show up as DF4 on my amiga and crossdos worked with it... If my memory is still good Nice second link by the way Nice and clear this time

11 July 2006, 16:14	#13
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,004	CrossDOS, MessyDOS (MSH), XFS all do the same. But FAT95 is probably the most advanced one. It supports long file names, FAT32 partitions, PC partition tables and even has chkdisk functionality. P.S. there are no links in this post

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