FWSI Analogic CD32 Diskdrive issue

10 March 2009, 22:06

Hi Folks, I´m new here

I have a problem with my CD32 and this "thingy"

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=33303&highlight=analogic

The problems is that when I plug this accesory in my CD32, I only can use two button of the CD32 Joypad (cannot play James Pond 2

), and Super Startdust refuses to start (not enough memory

)

.

Toaks tell me in amigaworld.net that this unit uses the 1.3 Kickrom to override the original 40070 CD32 Rom, and for that reason I cannot use the CD32 Pad in my CD32

He tell me too that there is some hardware or software fix, but he don´t remember it

.

So I ask you if someone can help with this issue

.

Thanks Amigans

prowler · 10 March 2009, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by ID4

http://eab.abime.net/register.php?a=act&u=13639&i=42982404

That link is not the intended one, surely?

10 March 2009, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

That link is not the intended one, surely?

Edited

Thanks!!!

Calgor · 11 March 2009, 07:52

Surely it does not use a 1.3 Kickrom??? You can check the version yourself for example in workbench loaded off floppy. I suppose it may patch some of the libraries to older versions though to get the floppy drive working. Not sure what has been left out from the standard CD32 ROM.

Toni Wilen · 11 March 2009, 08:00

Image of circuit board please

frost242 · 11 March 2009, 08:07

Toni: there's one in the linked topic, see post #24.

Toni Wilen · 11 March 2009, 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost242

Toni: there's one in the linked topic, see post #24.

Looks like those two PLCC chips on left are ROMs. (and one in right)

EDIT: dump them and the problem will be solved sooner or later

11 March 2009, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgor

Surely it does not use a 1.3 Kickrom??? You can check the version yourself for example in workbench loaded off floppy. I suppose it may patch some of the libraries to older versions though to get the floppy drive working. Not sure what has been left out from the standard CD32 ROM.

I boot on Wb3.1 Disk, It show ROM Version 40070, Maybe has you said this unit patch some libraries

.

Sure that a solution may exists (as Toask says).

rkauer · 11 March 2009, 22:40

I think you need the CD32 version of lowlevel.library to make the joystick work.

frost242 · 12 March 2009, 09:12

I also experienced a similar problem with my own FWSI diskdrive. When loading Chuck Rock (CD32 version of course), the game asks me to insert floppy #2 !!!

I have no time to take a look, but I'll try to get some informations about those patches.

12 March 2009, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

I think you need the CD32 version of lowlevel.library to make the joystick work.

How to do that?

Toni Wilen · 12 March 2009, 15:57

Lowlevel.library is in CD32 ROM.

Only way to be sure about the problem is to dump and examine those roms.

12 March 2009, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Lowlevel.library is in CD32 ROM.

Only way to be sure about the problem is to dump and examine those roms.

The CD32 Rom lowlevel.library is perfect, the issue is the FWSI

rkauer · 12 March 2009, 20:52

Or grabbing the version from the libs: on the 3.1 WB disk.

13 March 2009, 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

Or grabbing the version from the libs: on the 3.1 WB disk.

I don´t want to use Wb3.1 Disk, I want able to use all buttons of the CD32 Pad when FWSI is plugged in my CD32.

Retro1234 · 13 March 2009, 09:29

40.070? Sounds intresting!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ID4

I don´t want to use Wb3.1 Disk, I want able to use all buttons of the CD32 Pad when FWSI is plugged in my CD32.

Thats the point these Roms are unknown could you dump them if you want some help.

Also try
http://aminet.net/util/misc/joytest_CP.lha

Whitesnake · 27 November 2013, 02:49

I've had a look at this and I don't think there is a Kickstart ROM in the fWSI Analogic Floppy Drive.

I booted a 3.1 Workbench disk and the Kickstart ROM is reported as version 40.60 which is the normal CD32 version.

This is only a hypothesis but when you insert a floppy disk when the CD32 is at the main logo screen it fades out like it is going into CDTV compatibility mode which might be a reason for buttons not working, But it should still boot into CD32 mode when you put a CD32 game in and work.

Like BooBoo suggested on another thread having lowlevel.library on a backup of a game might fix it I haven't tried that yet.

Has anyone managed to get Aladdin, Global Gladiators, Cool Spot andPutty Squad Demo to work with this drive?

They all seem to crash in a similar way with black and white bars just as they finished loading and are about to transition to which I believe would be the title screen.

Keir · 14 August 2016, 21:30

Reviving this thread again, I got one of these expansion units this week and also stumbled into the fact that it nobbles gamepad buttons. I can say with certainty that it is a hardware-level issue as my SysTest disk accesses the gamepad hardware directly, and it fails to work on an Analogic-equipped CD32. I observe that the red and blue buttons make all buttons appear to be pressed, while all other buttons do nothing.

My gamepad logic is pretty close to lowlevel.library's. I tried sprinkling millisecond delays when clocking the gamepad's shift register and then accessing potgo (in case the expansion unit accidentally capacitively loads those lines, or something) but no change. It's a mystery. Could the unit be *deliberately* nobbling the gamepad? It was designed to be bolted to the back of CD32s for educational use, so.... maybe...?

Retro1234 · 14 August 2016, 21:50

My thought was the CD32 without the floppy has the lowlevel.library in Rom but with the 40.070 Roms it no longer has the lowlevel.library in Rom so needs to be in Libs?

Keir · 14 August 2016, 21:59

Like I say I have my own low-level gamepad test, direct hw access, no use of lowlevel.library. So this has nothing to do with the ROM.

It's a very weird and oddly specific hardware incompatibility. Hence why I wondered if it's deliberate, which is a bit paranoid really, but seems just about possible.

10 March 2009, 22:06	#1
ID4 Posts: n/a	FWSI Analogic CD32 Diskdrive issue Hi Folks, I´m new here I have a problem with my CD32 and this "thingy" http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=33303&highlight=analogic The problems is that when I plug this accesory in my CD32, I only can use two button of the CD32 Joypad (cannot play James Pond 2 ), and Super Startdust refuses to start (not enough memory ) . Toaks tell me in amigaworld.net that this unit uses the 1.3 Kickrom to override the original 40070 CD32 Rom, and for that reason I cannot use the CD32 Pad in my CD32 He tell me too that there is some hardware or software fix, but he don´t remember it . So I ask you if someone can help with this issue . Thanks Amigans Last edited by ID4; 10 March 2009 at 23:10.

12 March 2009, 09:12	#10
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: France, 87 Age: 44 Posts: 96	I also experienced a similar problem with my own FWSI diskdrive. When loading Chuck Rock (CD32 version of course), the game asks me to insert floppy #2 !!! I have no time to take a look, but I'll try to get some informations about those patches. Last edited by frost242; 12 March 2009 at 15:54. Reason: Chuck Rock, but CD32 version... :)

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11 March 2009, 07:52	#4
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	Surely it does not use a 1.3 Kickrom??? You can check the version yourself for example in workbench loaded off floppy. I suppose it may patch some of the libraries to older versions though to get the floppy drive working. Not sure what has been left out from the standard CD32 ROM.

11 March 2009, 08:00	#5
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	Image of circuit board please

11 March 2009, 08:07	#6
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: France, 87 Age: 44 Posts: 96	Toni: there's one in the linked topic, see post #24.

11 March 2009, 22:40	#9
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	I think you need the CD32 version of lowlevel.library to make the joystick work.

12 March 2009, 15:57	#12
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	Lowlevel.library is in CD32 ROM. Only way to be sure about the problem is to dump and examine those roms.

12 March 2009, 20:52	#14
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Or grabbing the version from the libs: on the 3.1 WB disk.

27 November 2013, 02:49	#17
Whitesnake Martin Shaw Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 463	I've had a look at this and I don't think there is a Kickstart ROM in the fWSI Analogic Floppy Drive. I booted a 3.1 Workbench disk and the Kickstart ROM is reported as version 40.60 which is the normal CD32 version. This is only a hypothesis but when you insert a floppy disk when the CD32 is at the main logo screen it fades out like it is going into CDTV compatibility mode which might be a reason for buttons not working, But it should still boot into CD32 mode when you put a CD32 game in and work. Like BooBoo suggested on another thread having lowlevel.library on a backup of a game might fix it I haven't tried that yet. Has anyone managed to get Aladdin, Global Gladiators, Cool Spot andPutty Squad Demo to work with this drive? They all seem to crash in a similar way with black and white bars just as they finished loading and are about to transition to which I believe would be the title screen.

14 August 2016, 21:30	#18
Keir Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cambridge Posts: 682	Reviving this thread again, I got one of these expansion units this week and also stumbled into the fact that it nobbles gamepad buttons. I can say with certainty that it is a hardware-level issue as my SysTest disk accesses the gamepad hardware directly, and it fails to work on an Analogic-equipped CD32. I observe that the red and blue buttons make all buttons appear to be pressed, while all other buttons do nothing. My gamepad logic is pretty close to lowlevel.library's. I tried sprinkling millisecond delays when clocking the gamepad's shift register and then accessing potgo (in case the expansion unit accidentally capacitively loads those lines, or something) but no change. It's a mystery. Could the unit be deliberately nobbling the gamepad? It was designed to be bolted to the back of CD32s for educational use, so.... maybe...?

14 August 2016, 21:50	#19
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,789	My thought was the CD32 without the floppy has the lowlevel.library in Rom but with the 40.070 Roms it no longer has the lowlevel.library in Rom so needs to be in Libs?

14 August 2016, 21:59	#20
Keir Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cambridge Posts: 682	Like I say I have my own low-level gamepad test, direct hw access, no use of lowlevel.library. So this has nothing to do with the ROM. It's a very weird and oddly specific hardware incompatibility. Hence why I wondered if it's deliberate, which is a bit paranoid really, but seems just about possible.

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