jst problems with some files based installers

pbareges · 28 February 2005, 15:49

i know that jst is no more supported, but i want to check if some other users have the same problem...

jst installs based on disk images are just fine.
but all jst installs based on files extracts give me some trouble (namely hugo1&2, major motion, apprentice...):

-when i install them on a small-sized hd (less than 100Mb) and launch them with the preload option everyting works great

-when i install them on my 2Gb hd and launch them with preload option they often freeze before the start of the game.

i found a little trick to make them work anyway but it's not really clean (so any help welcomed!!) : i first launch a whd game with big files/images consumption (dragon's lair for instance), then quit and launch my jst game...and then it works fine !!!

it seems really weird no ?

Shoonay · 28 February 2005, 15:56

IIRC, most... well, at least the JST Yo!Joe! install did that 100% times on my Amy... if you load it for the first time, it works quite OK, but if you then exit and load it again it freezes - i found, that only reset was the solution for that...

In both cases, it's probably the memory fragmentation issue... not that i'm a programmer or anything...

Amiga1992 · 28 February 2005, 18:19

I don't know why anyone would use JST when WHDLoad is so good... I never got to work most installs while WHDLod always works correctly

pbareges · 28 February 2005, 18:56

you're right akira but as it took me a lot of time to upload my whole collection on my a1200 hd (around 2Gb via 720k floppy disks!!!), i would like to avoid having to change all my jst installs with whdload ones (especially for big sized games like hugo.....)... any advice on how to patch this ?

CFou! · 28 February 2005, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbareges

you're right akira but as it took me a lot of time to upload my whole collection on my a1200 hd (around 2Gb via 720k floppy disks!!!), i would like to avoid having to change all my jst installs with whdload ones (especially for big sized games like hugo.....)... any advice on how to patch this ?

I am already patched all Hugo games for whdload

Look on whdlaod home page
http://www.whdload.de/cgi-bin/search.cgi

and search Hugo

pbareges · 28 February 2005, 19:57

this is a great occasion to thank you cfou for the great job you accomplished !!!!

i know that these whdload patches exist but my main concern is that i'm too lazy to upload all whdload games and reinstall them again on my a1200 (especially for both hugo that are around 6Mb each meaning around 20 disks in total!!)

Amiga1992 · 28 February 2005, 23:19

Listen up, I admire your patience but that's fr from optimal!!!!

I hope you have Windows XP or 2000, and if not, upgrade. Just this bit is worth an upgrade

Take your Amiga's HD
Insert it in your PC

Fire up WinUAE and mount this drive in the emulation
Copy it all to your drive

ta-dah!

Don't use JST.

Bamiga2002 · 28 February 2005, 23:50

JST was good in it's time but WHDLoad rocks nowadays. My first experience with an installed HD-game was with JST...and boy was that a marvellous discovery

pbareges · 01 March 2005, 00:47

ok guys you won...but jean-francois fabre (jotd) MUST BE remembered as a great pioneer in amiga hd patching/installing and is still a great contributor to whdload project....I'LL KEEP THE JST INSTALLS BASED ON DISK IMAGES THAT ARE WORKING PERFECTLY FINE on my a1200!!!

killergorilla · 01 March 2005, 01:23

yep JOTD is a great very active member of WHDLoad, kudos to him for all his work thus far

Amiga1992 · 01 March 2005, 05:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbareges

but jean-francois fabre (jotd) MUST BE remembered as a great pioneer in amiga hd patching/installing

YEs, remember him and JST, but use WHDLod and HIS INSTALLS because JST is shit by today's standards. That's why he makes WHDLoad patches!

nzo · 04 March 2005, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbareges

-when i install them on a small-sized hd (less than 100Mb) and launch them with the preload option everyting works great

-when i install them on my 2Gb hd and launch them with preload option they often freeze before the start of the game.

Maybe it's a filesystem related problem... What filesystem is on the 2GB hd? Try to use SFS if the current filesystem is FFS. Anyway WHDLoad rocks!

28 February 2005, 15:49	#1
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	jst problems with some files based installers i know that jst is no more supported, but i want to check if some other users have the same problem... jst installs based on disk images are just fine. but all jst installs based on files extracts give me some trouble (namely hugo1&2, major motion, apprentice...): -when i install them on a small-sized hd (less than 100Mb) and launch them with the preload option everyting works great -when i install them on my 2Gb hd and launch them with preload option they often freeze before the start of the game. i found a little trick to make them work anyway but it's not really clean (so any help welcomed!!) : i first launch a whd game with big files/images consumption (dragon's lair for instance), then quit and launch my jst game...and then it works fine !!! it seems really weird no ?

28 February 2005, 15:56	#2
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	IIRC, most... well, at least the JST Yo!Joe! install did that 100% times on my Amy... if you load it for the first time, it works quite OK, but if you then exit and load it again it freezes - i found, that only reset was the solution for that... In both cases, it's probably the memory fragmentation issue... not that i'm a programmer or anything... Last edited by Shoonay; 28 February 2005 at 16:00. Reason: ...uhmmm... forgot to answer your question ;)

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28 February 2005, 18:19	#3
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I don't know why anyone would use JST when WHDLoad is so good... I never got to work most installs while WHDLod always works correctly

28 February 2005, 18:56	#4
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	you're right akira but as it took me a lot of time to upload my whole collection on my a1200 hd (around 2Gb via 720k floppy disks!!!), i would like to avoid having to change all my jst installs with whdload ones (especially for big sized games like hugo.....)... any advice on how to patch this ?

28 February 2005, 19:57	#6
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	this is a great occasion to thank you cfou for the great job you accomplished !!!! i know that these whdload patches exist but my main concern is that i'm too lazy to upload all whdload games and reinstall them again on my a1200 (especially for both hugo that are around 6Mb each meaning around 20 disks in total!!)

28 February 2005, 23:19	#7
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Listen up, I admire your patience but that's fr from optimal!!!! I hope you have Windows XP or 2000, and if not, upgrade. Just this bit is worth an upgrade Take your Amiga's HD Insert it in your PC Fire up WinUAE and mount this drive in the emulation Copy it all to your drive ta-dah! Don't use JST.

28 February 2005, 23:50	#8
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	JST was good in it's time but WHDLoad rocks nowadays. My first experience with an installed HD-game was with JST...and boy was that a marvellous discovery

01 March 2005, 00:47	#9
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	ok guys you won...but jean-francois fabre (jotd) MUST BE remembered as a great pioneer in amiga hd patching/installing and is still a great contributor to whdload project....I'LL KEEP THE JST INSTALLS BASED ON DISK IMAGES THAT ARE WORKING PERFECTLY FINE on my a1200!!!

01 March 2005, 01:23	#10
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	yep JOTD is a great very active member of WHDLoad, kudos to him for all his work thus far

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