3d?

bjadams · 06 March 2019, 09:47

Was there ever some sort of 3D command library for Amiga Blitz?
Or maybe some sort of code that could do some simple geometry shapes?

Daedalus · 06 March 2019, 10:34

Nope, not that I know of. There are some demonstrations of simple 3D engines in the included example code - one featuring paper planes called Planes, Darts or something like that.

AmiBlitz3 has a MiniGL include, though I've never used it so I've no idea how functional it is.

bjadams · 06 March 2019, 11:36

but i guess that won't work on a standard a500 or a1200
i am using the standard blitz no the amiblitz that seems to be more dedicated towards modern accelerated amigas

Daedalus · 06 March 2019, 13:05

Yeah, the Darts demo (I think that's what it's called), is worth looking at, and was included with Blitz Basic 2.1.

bjadams · 06 March 2019, 15:40

Checked the Darts demo, it looks fantastic for what it is and works pretty well on a500 too. There's a lot of asm commands in it.

It's a pity that no one ever wrapped this sort of 3d functionality in a library or set of commands, as it could have a lot of applications

madaxe · 06 March 2019, 17:30

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Originally Posted by bjadams

Was there ever some sort of 3D command library for Amiga Blitz?
Or maybe some sort of code that could do some simple geometry shapes?

I don't know if this helps but polygons can be drawn in Blitz Basic:

https://www.amigacoding.com/index.ph...iltIn#Polygons

bjadams · 06 March 2019, 17:51

@madaxe the polyf command is being used in the DARTS game mentioned before

bjadams · 06 March 2019, 17:53

On the Bllitz2.1 CD I found a sort of 3D command lib, called 2B3D by GORNY.
Author says it's still in beta phase, and it's all written using Blitz so it's not very fast. But at least someone had thought of it way back in 1996

It's a pity that this has not been picked up by someone and improved, maybe made faster with asm, as it's very promising.

If anyone knows of other more complete 3D libs, kindly let me know

madaxe · 06 March 2019, 17:56

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Originally Posted by bjadams

@madaxe the polyf command is being used in the DARTS game mentioned before

E-Penguin · 06 March 2019, 23:51

I don't think 3d will ever be quick on an A500, it's just not built for it. Converting x,y "chunky" pixels to planar takes up either lots of blitter or CPU time, leaving little time for the calculations and other drawing tasks.

bjadams · 07 March 2019, 18:03

no need for chunky to planar and texture mapped 3d. just want some simple cubes, pyramids and similar objects, which the A500 has demonstrated to be able to handle

madaxe · 12 March 2019, 18:51

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Originally Posted by bjadams

no need for chunky to planar and texture mapped 3d. just want some simple cubes, pyramids and similar objects, which the A500 has demonstrated to be able to handle

Well, many years ago I have made a small 3D intro for amiga but unfortunately I don't know where it is. But fortunately I made some 2D and 3D stuff for PC in Borland Delphi 5. If you wish I can translate it to Blitz but will take a couple of weeks.
In the annexes there are the Delphi sources.

bjadams · 12 March 2019, 19:06

@madaxe sure why not! Also take a look at what GORNY did, maybe it's similar too

madaxe · 12 March 2019, 19:49

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Originally Posted by bjadams

@madaxe sure why not! Also take a look at what GORNY did, maybe it's similar too

Okies, I'll do my best

Meanwhile I send some 2D stuff that I made in Blitz. It's simple and isn't optimized but is a good start for 3D and can be used to rotate bitmaps or shapes or sprites

bjadams · 12 March 2019, 20:05

@madaxe great stuff there!

madaxe · 12 March 2019, 20:49

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Originally Posted by bjadams

@madaxe great stuff there!

Thanks

E-Penguin · 25 March 2019, 22:06

This has piqued my interest - currently reading about projection matrices... If I can get my head around it I'll write something in blitz and share it here.

The more I read the more astounded I am that Frontier was possible on an A500.

bjadams · 25 March 2019, 22:30

@E-Penguin take a look at what GORNY did, it's all written in blitz

madaxe · 26 March 2019, 23:41

The work is in progress and it is almost done

In a couple of days it will be completed.

bjadams · 27 March 2019, 09:39

@madaxe amazing. do you only use blitz commands or fast asm? how fast is it on a500?

06 March 2019, 09:47	#1
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	3d? Was there ever some sort of 3D command library for Amiga Blitz? Or maybe some sort of code that could do some simple geometry shapes?

06 March 2019, 17:53	#8
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	On the Bllitz2.1 CD I found a sort of 3D command lib, called 2B3D by GORNY. Author says it's still in beta phase, and it's all written using Blitz so it's not very fast. But at least someone had thought of it way back in 1996 It's a pity that this has not been picked up by someone and improved, maybe made faster with asm, as it's very promising. If anyone knows of other more complete 3D libs, kindly let me know Last edited by bjadams; 06 March 2019 at 21:09.

26 March 2019, 23:41	#19
madaxe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Coimbra / Portugal Posts: 54	The work is in progress and it is almost done In a couple of days it will be completed. Last edited by madaxe; 04 December 2023 at 15:24. Reason: Fix images links.

06 March 2019, 10:34	#2
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,374	Nope, not that I know of. There are some demonstrations of simple 3D engines in the included example code - one featuring paper planes called Planes, Darts or something like that. AmiBlitz3 has a MiniGL include, though I've never used it so I've no idea how functional it is.

06 March 2019, 11:36	#3
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	but i guess that won't work on a standard a500 or a1200 i am using the standard blitz no the amiblitz that seems to be more dedicated towards modern accelerated amigas

06 March 2019, 13:05	#4
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,374	Yeah, the Darts demo (I think that's what it's called), is worth looking at, and was included with Blitz Basic 2.1.

06 March 2019, 15:40	#5
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	Checked the Darts demo, it looks fantastic for what it is and works pretty well on a500 too. There's a lot of asm commands in it. It's a pity that no one ever wrapped this sort of 3d functionality in a library or set of commands, as it could have a lot of applications

06 March 2019, 17:51	#7
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	@madaxe the polyf command is being used in the DARTS game mentioned before

06 March 2019, 23:51	#10
E-Penguin Banana Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Darmstadt Posts: 1,215	I don't think 3d will ever be quick on an A500, it's just not built for it. Converting x,y "chunky" pixels to planar takes up either lots of blitter or CPU time, leaving little time for the calculations and other drawing tasks.

07 March 2019, 18:03	#11
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	no need for chunky to planar and texture mapped 3d. just want some simple cubes, pyramids and similar objects, which the A500 has demonstrated to be able to handle

12 March 2019, 19:06	#13
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	@madaxe sure why not! Also take a look at what GORNY did, maybe it's similar too

12 March 2019, 20:05	#15
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	@madaxe great stuff there!

25 March 2019, 22:06	#17
E-Penguin Banana Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Darmstadt Posts: 1,215	This has piqued my interest - currently reading about projection matrices... If I can get my head around it I'll write something in blitz and share it here. The more I read the more astounded I am that Frontier was possible on an A500.

25 March 2019, 22:30	#18
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	@E-Penguin take a look at what GORNY did, it's all written in blitz

27 March 2019, 09:39	#20
bjadams Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Chesterfield Posts: 44	@madaxe amazing. do you only use blitz commands or fast asm? how fast is it on a500?

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