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Old 06 November 2018, 11:25   #5
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Thanks for the guesses but nothing matches so far.
However from my Googling I did find the second game - the PD Ultima rip off which I am now 99% sure is Legend of Lothian.
Turns out its not as obscure as I thought it would be, even a few Youtube videos about.
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