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Old 25 February 2008, 00:57   #106
Galahad/FLT
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Piracy on the Amiga was for several reasons more present then for example on the pc. First of all that pc users on average where more capital powerful and a lot of people had one in their home not only for playing games..Second there wasn't really a scene present which seeded a culture of demoshaping, musiccomposing, programcracking atmosphere. Let's not start the snes or megadrive, you canīt compare console piracy with homecomputer piracy as most console gamers do not buy consoles while having piracy in mind. Loads of people chose homecomputer because the games are so cheap..(yeah, right pirated games) while console games are so expensive. Back in the days it was part of the homecomputer scene, because the games are so cheap and cartridges are so expensive. Man, I know lots of parents who decided to buy an ST or Amiga for their kids because you can just copy the games instead of buying them in the shops like if itīs the most normal thing in the world.

For your second point.
The amiga 1200 never really took off because during that period developers didnīt consider itīs market as profitable and that IS because of the piracy problem. People doubted about getting a 1200 because the lack of software on the horizon. It was a vicious circle. Software do sell computers/consoles and not the other way around, developers lost interest in the amiga scene because their lack of profit.

I cannot really judge on your third point but anything will be done as long it is profitable.

Finally, I do see you what you are getting and I do understand that commodore and some other factors besides piracy are to blame but just lightly saying piracy was never any problem is just being naive or hypocritical.

Every person I know who owned an amiga only played cracked games, I've never seen someone taking the effort to buy one in the shops, amiga games disapeared rather quickly in the shops therefore. You can't say this has nothing to do with amiga's demise, stop putting your head in the sand because it might also have to do with your own actions. I see everyone over here showing a lot of love towards the amiga, which is great but it really looks awful to see (ex)crackers and distributors going all in denial. I've read (like most of you) a lot of gaming magazines back in the days, I've seen plenty of interviews with game developers and designers complaining about the piracy problem and their growing doubts of developing on the amiga, their slow but certain move towards the console market and I'm sure your points are also valid to a certain extend but let's be realistic about it all as well..

We all killed the amiga, thinking you didn't do it any harm by cracking, copying, distributing thousands of programs is a tragic denial
Console piracy was more wellspread than you are obviously unaware of.

As for the Amiga A12oo not taking off, thats strictly not true, pretty much all of the software companies of the day were doing versions for AGA so that pretty much nulls your point right away, the A1200 was actually selling very well until Commodore died.

As for you reading magazines about developers crying about their games being copied.... what did you expect them to do, cheer us on?

My actions and what i did have absolutely nothing to do with the state of the Amiga, yes i cracked a few titles, but the onus was on YOU and your friends to decide what you wanted to do, and you chose the pirated software option.

i didn't force you to copy anything, you made that choice yourself. I myself bought quite a lot of games, and virtually none of them were bought to crack either, so don't be waving the 'blame stick' in my direction fella, my conscience is clear.

If I didn't crack anything, there were quite a few other people ready and willing to do it.

Just because YOU were too weak willed to not buy software is your problem, not mine, and its disingenous and wrong for you to try and blame me and others like me.

So when you go into McDonalds and they offer you a Supersize and you accept it, is it their fault when you get fat?

Get real. As they say in the UK, you made your bed, now lie in it!

And one last point, i was also a games developer as well, I think that makes me slightly more qualified than you on this subject.
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