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Old 03 November 2023, 11:26   #1270
pandy71
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Gibberish bullshit and it's additionally completely irrelevant to this discussion, topic, and general Amiga.
Obviously you don't understand simple numbers - Motorola sold in 1 year more 68k for embedded market than Commodore aggregate number of Amiga ever sold... This is millions CPU's sold per year.

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NASA's use case will not sustain Commodore's core revenue revenue stream.


True, Commodore never use this fact in their marketing - why - no clue but i can only guess.

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Look in the mirror with your embedded market bullshit.
Yep, search for fresh dingo dung to hide your head...
Embedded means huge money for Motorola, general computing is less money than embedded...

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Fact: Commdore's Amiga is a desktop computer.
Wow... you are true mastermind, thx for shedding light on this interesting topic.

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The best-selling AT&T license Unix is Xenix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
WTF? Who cares about Xenix and your obsession with Microsoft?


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Windows 2.x 386 requires a 386 CPU. Windows 2.x 386 could take advantage of the Virtual 8086 mode of the 386 processor.

Windows 3.0 was released in 1990. The development work for Windows 3.0 started before 1990.
Blah blah blah - we talking about MMU in 286 and how accordingly to you it was important for end users.

We NOT talking about Virtual 8086 mode in 386 which is NOT MMU

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You can't handle the truth.
What truth? Truth about?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_68010
For Unix 68k use cases before 68020, custom MMU was employed.

Custom MMU wreaks mass deployment and makes Unix variants specific vendor-dependent. This caused 68K workstation market fragmentation.
WTF? 68020 has no embedded MMU and it will also require external MMU.

FYI Motorola offered for MMU's:68451 and 68851. Some vendors implemented custom MMU's but this was vendor choice.

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Look in the mirror with your embedded market bullshit.

Your embedded market argument is irreverent for desktop platforms such as Amiga, Apple, Sharp 68K, etc'
Obviously you don't understand that Motorola sold more embedded CPU's in 1..3 year period than aggregated number of all computers made by Commodore, Apple, Atari, Sharp etc ever.
This is embedded market power.

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You missed Motorola's marketing FUD against Intel. You're a POS.

Again, https://techmonitor.ai/technology/mo...0_next_quarter

Date: April 19, 1994.
Motorola Inc yesterday finally launched the long-promised 68060 follow-on to the 68040, claiming that it matches the performance of the Intel Corp Pentium at less than half the price – it costs $263 at 50MHz when you order 10,000 or more and will sample next month.

With 68060's 1994 release, Motorola Inc. made negative remarks against Intel Pentium competition.
Obviously you are confused...

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Commodore's Akiko C2P existence shows Commodore is aware of the PC's chunky pixel format advantage and it was too late.
For sure Commodore was aware as they offered PC's but chunky mode was implemented very first time in VGA.
And it was rather quick workaround to address software developers requests - AGA could introduce native chunky but Commodore preferred to not, instead they introduced Akkiko on single platform...


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https://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/b...ith-intel.html

Motorola Inc. today announced key features of its next-generation microprocessor, the 68040, opening a new round in its battle with the Intel Corporation, which is set to introduce its newest chip on April 10.

Motorola said its 68040, the next generation in its 68000 family, would contain 1.2 million transistors and run much faster than its existing 68030. The new Intel 80486 is expected to be at least twice as fast as the 80386 used in high-end personal computers and is also expected to contain more than a million transistors.

Motorola and Intel have been fierce rivals in the microprocessor business for years. Intel chips, the most powerful of which is the 80386, are used in personal computers made by the International Business Machines Corporation and manufacturers of compatible machines. Motorola's microprocessors are used in the Macintosh computer made by Apple Computer Inc. and in work stations made by Sun Microsystems Inc. and other vendors.

While both companies seem to have well-established customer bases, they are still competing for the business of new companies that enter the personal computer business.



https://techmonitor.ai/technology/mo...versial_claims
MOTOROLA HEATS UP MIPS BATTLE WITH 50MHZ VERSION OF 68030, CONTROVERSIAL CLAIMS

Motorola Inc, clearly making sure that Intel Corp has plenty to think about as it prepares to launch the 80486, and making it clear that despite the badmouthing it received early on, there is plenty more mileage yet in the 68030, this week, as reported briefly (CI No 1,151) came out with a version clocked at a blinding 50MHz – 17MHz faster than its previous fastest. The company claims that the speed means that the thing does 12 MIPS, double that of all conventional processors available today. The 50MHz 68030 is fabricated in 1 micron HCMOS, the first conventional processor to be produced below 1.2 microns – but NEC Corp will have something to say about boths claims: see below. The company reminds us that Apollo Computer, Apple Computer, Hewlett-Packard, NEC, NeXT, Sony Microsystems and Sun Microsystems all use the 68030. The part starts sampling next month at $650 a time, with volume production planned for the third quarter.
Yep, mass media and their habit to heat up atmosphere - good for housewifes and used cars sellers...

Btw - CF clocked at 33MHz offered over 13.5MIPS - 68030 clocked at 50MHz only 12MIPS - that's why CF costing fraction of 68k price and offering higher computational power than plain 68k was good product for embedded market.
Btw 68030 was never 486 competitor - 68040 was - and MMU was not necessary - same as FPU - that's why you have LC version.
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