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Old 26 May 2017, 16:44   #64
kovacm
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You are right that the contract stated all those things and that it was signed prior to Tramiel taking over the company. This is easily found in several on-line sources.
Yes, it is easy to find this information on-line now but why then, until recently, even Amiga wikipedia article stated that Jack Tramiel lend money to Amiga!!

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However, I think it's really dubious to say RJ Mical knew all the details of the contract and negotiations: the man was not Amiga's CEO and was not directly involved in any of the negotiations at all.
He was not CEO, not he was involved in negotiations but he has no problem to go around and spread LIES! (on positive note is that he admit that he would rather make up story than tell truth but problem is that people take his STORIES for truth!)

So how many stories did he tell to the public that are lies? This is real question. I am pointing only on his own words.

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It's entirely possible that his boss (David Morse) told him this happened a certain way and he just believed it. Considering how David was negotiating (see pages 745 and 746 from Atari Inc: Business is fun, where he's clearly bending the truth to get an advantage), this seems distinctly possible to me.
I am glad that you read pages about David Morse from Atari Inc: Business is fun and agree.

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Couple this with misremembering the way things went after a good 30 years or so, and I'd say that this certainly feel a more plausible explanation than RJ deliberately telling a bunch of lies.
I can not find when R J Mical start to go around telling stories (in audio clip from my previous post he said: I done this more than 40 times... and that audio is from 90s I believe).

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Any day of the week. Then again, I met RJ once and he's a very nice guy so maybe I'm biased.
I believe that he is nice guy. He is also keen on Jack Tramiel personally; that can be seen in his every public talk. Beside him, only Dave Needle, has this hatred toward Jack. I explain this by fact that both work on Epyx and that both had to deal with Jack when Atari bought Lynx.


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However, the same book also shows that Tramiel was not so much a nice guy: on page 743, it is stated he bluntly/honestly told Amiga inc that he wanted the technology but not the people.
Exactly: Jack Tramiel was like that: bluntly honestly!

But he stated same when Amiga approach Commodore in 1983 while he still was with Commodore.
But also many others, including SGI, said that they were not interested in team, but only in chips (R J Mical also talk about this!).
So at the end, Jack was not alone that did not want Amiga team...

Adam Chowaniec at Commodore 25th Anniversary (search in YT, highly recommended to watch!) also bring memory that Amiga OS guy had some rabbits around him while he was programing OS so Amiga team was certainly one unorthodox one they were like family, but maybe to crazy one for business


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Effectively telling them, ahead of time, that doing business with him meant losing their jobs and their work. No wonder that Amiga Inc. got worried when he bought Atari.
David Morse sign great deal with Atari Inc. - best that he could get (possible "the only"). It was not bad deal at all but problem was that Atari Inc. lose 400$ million dollars two quarters in row and it was apparent that Atari Inc. would not be in position to honor the deal!
As soon as rumors start that Jack would take over Atari, it was clear that something must be done! Dave Morse play little dirty with Commodore but he manage to pull out the best possible solution for Amiga! Otherwise, we would not have Amiga at all! (Philips maybe would buy it at the end...)


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So in essence, the very source you use to try and prove Tramiel was a good guy also contains information that shows he was not really one. It seems to me that you just want Tramiel to be a good guy and aren't that interested in any evidence to the contrary. Which is fine, but you should call that what it is: your opinion. Not a fact.

Because as we've seen, there is plenty of counter evidence that says otherwise.
Absolutely agree!

But I want to give as much links, sources and possible facts as I can. I am expecting same from others. Only on this way, watching the "truth" from more sides, we can made better conclusions. I am glad that you read passages from Curt and Martys book!

Must hurry now, thanks for discussion! thank also to nobody! Sorry for being too harsh sometimes

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