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Old 02 March 2017, 11:42   #100
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Originally Posted by OlafSch View Post

from your profil it seems to me you are one of the younger ones in the community (like me) but there are a lot of people already retired who cannot wait for another 20 years :-). And to be clear even if some of the current copyright owners (we do not know if real or only believe) die copyright not vanishes but changes ownership.
Let's agree we are at different stages in life. Right now I have 2 small kids that need a lot of my attention, severely limiting heavy involvement in hobbyists projects, whatever they might be. But there are other people at completely different stages in their lives, so you can't get a fair apples-to-apples comparison. I have been in other situations when I had a lot of time and did a lot while others did nothing.. That's how it is in life.
My point with the several examples I listed was that things change eventually. I tend to think the current owners are milking a very sick cow, therefore I think throwing money at it could make them willing to part with it.
Edit: (And this is where I can currently contribute.. By supporting e.g. crowd-funding or bounties financially..)

Originally Posted by OlafSch View Post
you seem to be happy with what you have but take Vampire standalone device as example. I cannot remember but I guess it has USB so you need support for that. Also Vampire supports RTG so the OS has to support that too. We saw the problems around that when discussion about P96 started. The same would be true for USB. Poseidon on 3.X is copyrighted and cannot be used. Of course Poseidon could be legally backported from Aros but would it not make more sense to invest the time in adapting and improving Aros. You will have finally two choices on it, 3.X patched as it is and a modern successor. Your choice.
Well you can reverse that reasoning too.. How many ppl are interested in a standalone Vampire/Natami if it only runs AROS?

Originally Posted by OlafSch View Post
Since I returned a couple of years ago the same senseless discussions start again and again to open source 3.X. It will not happen for lots of reasons and even if there would be a chance the community will not contribute the requested sum because all will talk like you... they are happy with what they use, why giving money to open sources.
Ok you can speculate about that (I assume you are not a time traveler ;-) and you will right about this all the way until it actually happens.. And if it doesn't.. I can live with that too. It will be exactly the same as the last 20 years , so no big deal in that respect. You are right that a lot of other current users can also "live" with the old OS and be happy. But that's the thing.. It's those users who are the potential "customers" of an updated official OS3.x branch.. I assume, that like for me, AROS offers nothing new that they have requested without sacrificing something they'd rather keep.

Originally Posted by OlafSch View Post
"until 68k AROS becomes 100% compatible and almost as fast as native OS 3.x"

BTW this attitude to just ask and moan but not doing anything is why Aros 68k is not there. The Aros devs work in free time and do what they like, if their main interest is not 68k you cannot expect them to do the work for you just because you request that.
Trust me, I absolutely never requested anyone to work on AROS 68k for me or anyone else, I only suggested that if the 3.x source would finally become available it would make sense to merge the efforts rather than having resources spread in yet another split..

Yes, I do realize ppl work on this as a hobbyist project and have done it for decades - which shows some commitment, I respect that. Unfortunately, the same people still seem to hope that "if you build it, they will come". Well.. the ~200 ppl (I got the number from, but it might be wrong) who agreed with that path are already there...
I think a lot of people would turn it around and say, "if you are willing to spend time and effort, ask what ppl want then build it - and if the requests can't be fulfilled, spend your time on something more appreciated or be prepared for a lonely ride".

Originally Posted by OlafSch View Post
"And if you think its a waste of time to discuss it, what about 22 years of AROS development."

without words... what exactly are your contributions except posting on a forum?
I realize that anyone who has spend years on contributing doesn't wanna hear their effort is wasted. I'm not saying this to offend anyone. The value of a hobby is highly subjective anyway, so... But I'm saying it to put things into a little perspective.. @Wawa and you call discussions like this a waste of time, so I think it's motivated to ask what you call an OS 22 years in the making with so few users.
But as I said, if you are happy using it its not a waste of effort from your perspective.. Same as I don't see it a wasted effort to discuss OS 3.x0 becoming open source. It's interesting to hear all these different people pith in an tell their part of the story, even if some whine more then others ;-)

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