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Old 06 March 2016, 11:05   #22
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Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
That's... disappointingly slow. What CPU are you running with your 137MB of RAM?

The point of all this is that for AROS to become a viable kickstart/workbench replacement then it needs to be able to run on original hardware.

That means that it must perform as fast as an original A1200 (68EC020, 2MB Chipram) running WB3.1. I think we can safely discount the 68k/1.3 comparison.

If it runs at the same speed as the original A1200, but with a Vampire attached then what's the point of having the Vampire? Might as well run vanilla 3.1.

I suspect that AROS is trying to do things that the original hardware couldn't do without assistance - 256 colour screens (or higher bitdepths), complex icons etc, etc. That's fine, but when given the same resources and assets as an original 3.1 install, it should perform at the same speed or better. Anything less and it's going to get laughed at.

Like I said previously, when I ran AROS on my 486 DX-2/50MHz, it should have flown in comparison to an A1200. It did not; it was so slow that you could count the lines being drawn as it refreshed a window.

I suspect that there are fundamental flaws in the implementation - heavy reliance on oop, poor compiler performance, who knows?

But it needs to get fixed if it's going to deserve the title of "fastest OS in the west", to paraphrase the hype on the AROS website.

First get the compatibility up, then make the ROM fit in 512KB and the OS install in <10MB, then get it running at speed. Only after all that can anyone start to think about improving it.

the compatibility is quiet high... I should know because I propably used and use it more than anyone else and personally have no interest in 3.1 anymore (but that can everyone decide for him/herself)

the main problem is speed on real hardware

your attitude is the typical attitude I experienced in recent years... people are moaning avout the situation, they are asking for advanced features despite knowing that they will never get them on 3.X, they are maoning and asking for open sourcing of 3.X despite knowing that this will never happen. When you are telling them that Aros already this offers but need people to do something and not just sitting in the chair and moaning they tell you "as long as it is not running on unexpanded amigas running as fast as Amiga OS there and include all patches I use I will not install them" then the forum discussion goes on 50 pages and end in nothing until the same questions are raised next time.

If you want something new help to get there, the basic pieces are there what is needed is optimizing components or writing drivers. Even non-programmers can help there by testing or giving feedback. This "chair" mentality lead us to the current situation. Help or be happy with what is there but no more moaning about lack of progress. Regarding 3.1 and Vampire people get 3.1 with it, as far as possible people even get drivers like with the P96 driver developed by one of the Aros devs. Support of new features that go beyond what was current possible will be only there for Aros. You can of course still develop programs that directly hack the hardware.
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