PPC emulation for winuae

22 October 2007, 20:37

If OS4 for classics becomes available. Will we ever see PPC emulation on winuae? Or maybe on a PPC hosted version of UAE?

Toni Wilen · 22 October 2007, 21:18

No.

Retro-Nerd · 22 October 2007, 21:26

Why in hell PPC emulation? Only for OS4? WinUAE/JIT is muuuuch faster than every real PPC machine.

Mad-Matt · 22 October 2007, 22:34

not that fast as it wont start my ppc games ???

Retro-Nerd · 22 October 2007, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

not that fast as it wont start my ppc games ???

Get a decent PC, if you want to play crappy 3D games.

keropi · 22 October 2007, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

not that fast as it wont start my ppc games ???

and what makes you think that ppc games are fast on a real classic-ppc amiga?

really, only on my pegII I see a point in ppc games like quake2, descent, hereticII... my 233mhz csppc+g-rex / voodoo3 sucks in them...

Graham Humphrey · 22 October 2007, 22:56

I've got a funny feeling this has been discussed before...

PPC emulation
PPC on WinUAE ?

Amongst others, I'd imagine.

EDIT: Like this one (a more eccentric example): thank you toni but just for kidding

Mad-Matt · 22 October 2007, 23:51

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Originally Posted by keropi

and what makes you think that ppc games are fast on a real classic-ppc amiga?

really, only on my pegII I see a point in ppc games like quake2, descent, hereticII... my 233mhz csppc+g-rex / voodoo3 sucks in them...

well i know decent and quakeII dont suck. they run not so bad even on bppc quakeII was very well ported. wipeout too. shogo and hereticII were quite sloppy though

Mad-Matt · 22 October 2007, 23:53

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Get a decent PC, if you want to play crappy 3D games.

i have a pefectly fine pc, but nearly 10 years ago ( got bppc160/040 from eyetechs first batch) when i used amigappc, my pc wasnt so good

a game crashes, windows is hosed and have to start from scratch. amiga was a little slower .. but always relighable

keropi · 23 October 2007, 07:31

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Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

well i know decent and quakeII dont suck. they run not so bad even on bppc quakeII was very well ported. wipeout too. shogo and hereticII were quite sloppy though

so you are one of the lucky kind that can play an fps @15-20fps... nice

AMIGAZ · 23 October 2007, 08:54

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Originally Posted by keropi

so you are one of the lucky kind that can play an fps @15-20fps... nice

Here's one too

I realized how much WarpOS sucks when I played QuakeII, Wipeout + Wipeout 2097 on my P1 200mhz system

imho Shogo + Heretic II are the worst examples, the other PPC games are quite playable

I bet you only get half of the performance due to the context switches from WarpOS

Galaxy · 23 October 2007, 08:59

Why on earth do you want to play these under emulation - aren't the PC native versions of those games far superior anyway? Working CDTV emulation will be far more useful.

Mad-Matt · 23 October 2007, 09:46

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Originally Posted by keropi

so you are one of the lucky kind that can play an fps @15-20fps... nice

if low fps was bad for fps games, then doom would have fell flat on its face. small screen low detail on 486, half size screen on p90 just to have highest fps

doesnt bother me though, pushed through doom at 9fps on 030/50

quakeII works just as well without screaming fps (around 15-20 on bppc) , but shogo/heretic2 suffer quite badly although i pushed through and finished h2. shogo was to much

its only in the most recent games (last 3-4 years??) where low fps kills the game as the old games actually skipped frames to keep game speed moving. now they have to show every frame so low fps kills them.

i never got 3d support working with voodoo way back then, so for me it turned out better on amiga then pc

this is one game that runs very nice even on cheapest amiga ppc hardware.

Imnot pushing to support ppc emu by the way.. just saying what it was like when i cared to use the miggy. emulating the miggy environment every now n again is plenty for my amiga fix now on speedy pc

cronos · 23 October 2007, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Why in hell PPC emulation? Only for OS4? WinUAE/JIT is muuuuch faster than every real PPC machine.

PPC may be useless for gaming and serious stuff since most/all games/applications are available on PC. But, I guess OS4 would breathe new life into the classic Amiga. Who is not curious to know what OS4 is like?

In the mean time, we have to wait until OS5 "is done"

eLowar · 23 October 2007, 13:34

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Originally Posted by cronos

Who is not curious to know what OS4 is like?

*raises hand*

Charlie · 24 October 2007, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

No.

Come off the fence Toni!
There's no need to beat about the bush, tell us what you really think.

It would be nice if there was an emulator that OS4 will run on - Until OS4 x86 arrives... ... ... ... ... ... I have to content myself with curiosity only. PearPC..?

Pyromania · 25 October 2007, 04:36

Apple is able to do PPC emulation on Intel Mac's, they are doing G3 or maybe even G4 emulation I think. It works very well and most of it is transparent to the user.

Pyromania · 25 October 2007, 04:40

Maybe another programmer can write a PPC model for Toni that can be included with WinUAE. JIT was made by someone else after.

Toni Wilen · 25 October 2007, 08:11

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Originally Posted by Charlie

Come off the fence Toni!
There's no need to beat about the bush, tell us what you really think.

PPC "Amigas" should have never existed. Amiga is dead and it should rest in peace (and kept as a nice hobby system like any other 80-90s computer) but no, it is kept in life support instead when its soul has been long gone/brain has been totally damaged and mutated (you can make your choice between brain/soul)

Answer is still NO. I never add anything PPC specific to WinUAE. (of course I can't prevent others to fork it)

Seriously, if you want PPC emulation and run OS4+, patch/hack/etc PearPC (or something like that). PPC classic emulation will be totally pointless and really slow.

warning: this will get quickly locked if...

Whitesnake · 25 October 2007, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Pyromania

Apple is able to do PPC emulation on Intel Mac's, they are doing G3 or maybe even G4 emulation I think. It works very well and most of it is transparent to the user.

http://www.apple.com/rosetta/

22 October 2007, 20:37	#1
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25 October 2007, 04:36	#17
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,497	Apple is able to do PPC emulation on Intel Mac's, they are doing G3 or maybe even G4 emulation I think. It works very well and most of it is transparent to the user. __________________ I'm not an Amiga user, I just play one on TV.

22 October 2007, 21:18	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 38 Posts: 12,032	No.

23 October 2007, 08:59	#12
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	Why on earth do you want to play these under emulation - aren't the PC native versions of those games far superior anyway? Working CDTV emulation will be far more useful.

25 October 2007, 04:40	#18
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,497	Maybe another programmer can write a PPC model for Toni that can be included with WinUAE. JIT was made by someone else after. __________________ I'm not an Amiga user, I just play one on TV.

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