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Dunny 08 October 2017 14:26

Competition Pro USB - where to buy?
 
I've been looking around for one to attach to my Amilator laptop, but cannot find one for sale anywhere. If anyone has one for sale, or knows where to get one, I'd be grateful :)

ptyerman 08 October 2017 14:52

Haven't seen one for sale for a while, it seems they stopped making them from what I can gather.
Lotharek has a work in progress of a joystick listed on his site, it may be worth contacting him and see if its going to be a similar thing.

EDIT:
Found this one but there is only 3 left. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-S...4AAOSwjRpZXSSY
Price is a bit high too, but its been selling well by the looks of his sales!

Dunny 08 October 2017 18:28

Woah, that is expensive. Might be able to justify it though if they're scarce now. Actually they have a shop in germany where it's 35 euros (or thereabouts) which is 32 quid in real money... But I am unable to choose a shipping country of England or the UK :(

That's frustrating.

ptyerman 08 October 2017 19:12

Yeah, shortage of them have hiked the price. I don't understand why they stopped making them when the demand for them is obviously still high! You can get the DB9 type no problem, just no USB version any more.

Swevicus 08 October 2017 22:39

USB version sucks (I have one and I've only used it about 8 times in as many years).

Jope 09 October 2017 08:05

I converted all of my USB ones into Atari ones.. Better get the Atari model and an active atari -> usb converter.

spudje 09 October 2017 12:43

If you have db9 based joysticks, you could also consider a Keyrah to use them with a PC/RPi/etc.: https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/...keyrah-v2.html

ptyerman 09 October 2017 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swevicus (Post 1190763)
USB version sucks (I have one and I've only used it about 8 times in as many years).

You must have a bad one then. I have both the DB9 version for my Amiga and the USB one on my PC and they both rock! Suppose it would suck if you needed analogue control, although for that you should use a analogue stick.

Dunny 09 October 2017 16:49

Yeah, I just want one for digital control of WHDLoad games on my laptop. Plus it's black and red, and so is the laptop...

The same place sells them on Ebay but for 10 euros more. So sod it, I bought one.

Now I need to refine the FS-UAE config and get those WHDLoad games to work - there's tonnes of problems with them.

Mick_AKA 11 October 2017 12:39

Don't know if they sorted it out in later versions, but I got one of the black and red and one of the blue and silver USB Comp Pros and they were both laggy as hell.
Mine have been sat in a drawer for years, keep meaning to just convert them to Amiga sticks.

Retro-Nerd 11 October 2017 13:29

Older CP USB sticks had 12 polls/sec. Newer are probably not better.

ptyerman 11 October 2017 15:04

I've not noticed any lag or problems with my USB one, but I don't use it very often anyway, it's my Amiga one that is used quite often.
When I do use the USB one it's for simple platform type games, UAE or other emulation, so that's probably why I haven't had problems. Most of the stuff I do on PC is either mouse and keyboard or I use a analogue stick.

Korodny 12 October 2017 14:58

Like somebody already mentioned, the Competition Pro USB updates the host computer about the state of the stick some 12 times per seconds - any other USB gamepad or joystick (adapter) updates about 100 times a second. Depending on what game you play, you will notice that lag a lot: stick movements will simply get swallowed, occasionally. Speedlink did never fix that problem.

And while it looks like a real Competition, the plastic is a lot more fragile. My original competitions are at least 25 years old by now and the softener has completely evaporated from the plastic - but if one of my antiques and one of Speedlink's clones would fall off my desk, I'd still bet money on the oldtimer looking better afterwards.

In the very first edition of the USB stick, the mounts for the switches below the fire buttons were too big (so the switches would fall down after a while) and the snap ring holding the actual stick together was to weak (meaning the stick would get loose after only a few hours of playing). I've never seen one of those up close, but I've seen the inside of a 2nd generation stick: They 'fixed' the problem of the mount being too big by squeezing a small plastic piece between the mount and the switch...

The USB version is crap. Schoenfelds version with the 9 pin plug is slightly better (since it doesn't suffer from the USB version's lag), but still no match for a real competition IMHO.

If you can, try to get your hands on a 2nd hand Competition from back then, and replace all micro switches with new ones (preferably branded ones, I recommend Cherry). Or build your own stick, using quality Arcade parts.

spudje 21 April 2019 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by spudje (Post 1190844)
If you have db9 based joysticks, you could also consider a Keyrah to use them with a PC/RPi/etc.: https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/...keyrah-v2.html

Does this suffer from similar lag issues (using a DB9 joystick on a PC/Pi), or is it performing better than the USB Competition Pro joystick?

Jope 21 April 2019 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korodny (Post 1191638)
Like somebody already mentioned, the Competition Pro USB updates the host computer about the state of the stick some 12 times per seconds - any other USB gamepad or joystick (adapter) updates about 100 times a second. Depending on what game you play, you will notice that lag a lot: stick movements will simply get swallowed, occasionally. Speedlink did never fix that problem.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...1&postcount=44

Last year they finally did! :-D

Korodny 21 April 2019 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope (Post 1317511)

Yeah, but they also increased the price... And they didn't fix any of the other issues this thing has, like cables breaking. The build quality is abysmal, I'd still recommend to stay clear.

I'm still searching for something to replace my original Competition Pros, leaning towards building a stick myself using Sanwa Arcade parts. Just looking for a decent case I could use, not sure I'd be comfortable with something like this.

Pyromania 21 April 2019 20:40

@Dunny

I happen to have a brand new unopened one.

Dunny 22 April 2019 01:34

What's the model number? And how much to ship it to Blighty?

MikeRichmond 22 April 2019 11:08

I found mine on Amazon. Speedlink model is the best USB version. https://amzn.to/2vfa1PZ

Dunny 22 April 2019 18:08

I have the SL-650210-8K (Koka Edition, black). If there's a better less laggy version I'd like to get my hands on one for my Amilator setup.


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