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Amigan123 24 November 2012 00:17

Amiga USB Mouse Adapter
 
Hi all, I am thinking of making and supplying a USB mouse to Amiga DB9 mouse adapter.

The price if I make at least 20 of them should be approx £10 + postage!

Just wondered if there would be any demand for it, and what would be most popular.

A USB or PS/2 version ?

Cymru 24 November 2012 08:18

A working version of both would be great
 
A working version of both would be great as USB mice are quite popular and the devices being sold at twice your price point do not work. PS/2 mice are still available and a lot of people like them -- their interfaces are simpler as well.

Arnie 24 November 2012 08:30

USB 4 me, as long as it can use true USB mice.

Amigan123 24 November 2012 15:11

Thanks for the feedback, I am currently testing a prototype, I think it should work with most PC USB mice but will have to test a few brands of mice to make sure its all good.

I will post more details when I have done some testing.

Bamiga2002 24 November 2012 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigan123 (Post 852455)
Just wondered if there would be any demand for it, and what would be most popular.

A USB or PS/2 version ?

USB! Demand? Gimme one now! :D

Arnie 24 November 2012 15:21

OK, put me down for 2 :great

EDIT: Just a thought, could you make one with a fly lead like the Amiga 1200 1D4 board?

Nostromo 02 December 2012 22:24

I'm interested in a USB one. Will these come with a case?

Amigan123 03 December 2012 07:21

Prototype Adapter
 
Thanks for the replies, and comments

Firstly it will NOT work with ALL usb mice as there are two types of usb mice made for PC's some with PS2 support, these usually come supplied with a USB to PS2 adapter it will work with these as they support the PS/2 protocol.

eg
http://www.ebuyer.com/129828-logitec...FanItAodE30AGg

Other usb mice actually need a real USB controller and drivers to work, so will not work with my adapter.:shocked

Any PS2 Mouse will work, I may make a dual ps2/usb version but will have to work out the costs.

Most modern wireless USB's will probably not work as these require a real usb port.

My prototype is working on my Amiga ;)

I tested a Genius PS/2 Ball Mouse made in the 90's and also a USB Microsoft Compact Optical Mouse and they work fine.

The adapter is made to a strict budget so there is no fancy case, this does means that it will fit the Amiga A600 Mouse
port that has no clearance on the left side to allow for a hooded connector.

I will be covered in heat shrink and look neat though, I promise it wont look like a flux capacitor is connected to your Amiga

johnim 03 December 2012 08:31

hi does your adapter work with the scroll wheel

cosmicfrog 03 December 2012 09:41

If I can afford one I`ll have one, got support staffordshire :)

also wot john said scrolly wheel is a must really, the only reason I brought a new mouse was cos of that lovely inervation

Methanoid 03 December 2012 11:55

Hardware pr0n pix please :)

Retroplay 03 December 2012 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigan123 (Post 854050)
I promise it wont look like a flux capacitor is connected to your Amiga

A time travelling Amiga. :D

http://i.imgur.com/ALo3S.jpg

Amigan123 03 December 2012 13:31

Photo of Budget Model v1.0 Adapter
 
http://www.carbootsaledirectory.co.uk/mm.jpg
At the moment this model is a budget adapter with support
for 2 button PS/2 compatible USB mice and no scroll wheel.

Basically will allow you to use a more modern PC mouse on an Amiga and will also work with the Amiga 600 port.:D

Mrs Beanbag 03 December 2012 14:55

neat. count me in.

cosmicfrog 03 December 2012 23:46

budget adapter \o/ heheh thats me, actual went though my mouse collection today and came across some pc serial mice, now I much rather see a scroll wheel implemented but was thinking it cant be that hard to use a pc serial mouse, know there are drivers to connect em to the serial port but thats no fun and next to useless

Amigan123 08 December 2012 11:55

New Design in Progress
 
After trying out the prototype, I fear the trailing cable design will be a weak link and may cause issues during usage.

My new design will have the usb socket on the board and will all be encapsulated in epoxy to make it more robust.

Due to the Epoxy and larger circuit board the price might end up being approx £12 + postage, would this be acceptable?

I am currently waiting on some supplies to test out.

I decided to see if any modern mice still support the PS/2 protocol over usb, so purchased the cheapest mouse I could find in my local Home Bargains store a cheap chinese made optical usb mouse for £1.99

To my surprise it did work fine, so maybe some other cheap mice will work as it seem some do support PS/2!

I suspect most modern wireless mice wont and they use USB protocol with no PS/2 fallback.

Again its 2 button only and no scroll support, but hopefully will be useful for
people who need an easy replacement option for there Amiga, instead of trying to source an original, also the optical ones are a lot smoother than the old ball type.

The adpter also supports Amiga boot menu by "holding down both mouse buttons on reset" :)

johnim 08 December 2012 13:08

that will be great mate :great

hooverphonique 09 December 2012 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnim (Post 854054)
hi does your adapter work with the scroll wheel

scroll wheel won't work for adapters that connect to the amiga mouse port..

Methanoid 10 December 2012 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigan123 (Post 854932)
After trying out the prototype, I fear the trailing cable design will be a weak link and may cause issues during usage.

My new design will have the usb socket on the board and will all be encapsulated in epoxy to make it more robust.

Due to the Epoxy and larger circuit board the price might end up being approx £12 + postage, would this be acceptable?

Price sounds fine. I suspect this will look a lot like the boards sold by the Polish guy and resold by the Irish eBayer, shown below

http://www.atariage.com/forums/uploa...9517_thumb.jpg

robinsonb5 10 December 2012 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by hooverphonique (Post 855117)
scroll wheel won't work for adapters that connect to the amiga mouse port..

It can be done - it just requires some multiplexing trickery in the µC firmware and a driver on the Amiga.


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