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sandruzzo 17 January 2020 19:04

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Originally Posted by DamienD (Post 1372207)
The only way to read this would be to sign up / become a supporter and pay...

Can't you just post the details if you want us to read them?

It's allway about Money?!?:confused Where is Amigas' friendship?

DamienD 17 January 2020 19:23

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Originally Posted by BippyM (Post 1372226)
No need to use it to get more subscribers, which in my opinion is a bit immoral!

Agreed :agree

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Originally Posted by sandruzzo (Post 1372252)
It's allway about Money?!?:confused Where is Amigas' friendship?

Why are you directing that comment at me sandruzzo?

Richard is the one you need to ask; and making some text / explanation only viewable if you subscribe.

sandruzzo 17 January 2020 19:25

@DamienD

Just reinforcing your thoughts

BippyM 17 January 2020 19:31

Well here is the reason it is so important to test on a real Amiga.

If it was released and sold for money, then didn't work or ran poorly on a real machine.. Well then there would be an uproar!

buzzybee 18 January 2020 02:50

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Originally Posted by roondar (Post 1372225)
Is it my imagination, or did the colour palette change from the last videos?
It seems more colourful than the previous one somehow.

The game changes all the time, since its in development ;-)
The palette though should be the same like in the last two or three videos; but the video output device did change, that may explain your impression.

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Originally Posted by BippyM (Post 1372226)
I have to agree with DamienD here. If you want users to read it then post it or make it more readily available.

No need to use it to get more subscribers, which in my opinion is a bit immoral!

You think it is immoral to kindly ask people to support creators for their art or editorial content? Please explain.

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Originally Posted by BippyM (Post 1372256)
Well here is the reason it is so important to test on a real Amiga.

If it was released and sold for money, then didn't work or ran poorly on a real machine.. Well then there would be an uproar!

I am pretty confident there would be an uproar too, even if the game is for free. That´s how modern society ticks. There are always people who expect everything but are not willing to spend anything.

But no worries. First of all, the I will show the game at various community events this year (e.g. workbench 2020 if all works well), which is a great opportunity for people to play the game and provide feedback about what they like / not like, also see the game on several machines. Plus, I may be releasing some kind of engine test version to the public. Anyway, the game will be tested on a variety of machines, including CD32, A1200 and A4000 equipped with a range of accelerators by members of the community. Even Vampire.

sandruzzo 18 January 2020 03:10

Don't get me wrong here. Like I said many times, I fully respect this projects, and who works on it Deserve to be paid. What I dislike is this patreon stuff that is popping up everywhere.

buzzybee 18 January 2020 03:30

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Originally Posted by sandruzzo (Post 1372319)
Don't get me wrong here. Like I said many times, I fully respect this projects, and who works on it Deserve to be paid. What I dislike is this patreon stuff that is popping up everywhere.

Can totally relate to that. Being a patron is not for everyone. If you don´t like the monthly approach of Patreon, ignore it or use other means of supporting creators. Most artists offer alternative ways of supporting them.

sandruzzo 18 January 2020 03:36

@buzzybee

Maybe is because I dont understand it very well. Maybe is a good things..

Pyromania 18 January 2020 03:41

RESHOOT PROXIMA III Is an awesome game, I appreciate all the hard work that went into creating it.

buzzybee 18 January 2020 04:00

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Originally Posted by sandruzzo (Post 1372323)
@buzzybee

Maybe is because I dont understand it very well. Maybe is a good things..

If this is the case, and as you are an artist yourself: May I suggest to spend a few moments and study the Patreon main website. The idea behind the whole thing can be rooted back to the stoneold tradition of Patronage. It´s a great concept of society enabling writers, painters (like Kevin Saunders) or even coders and gamedesigners creating wonderful stuff, which society then can enjoy.

sandruzzo 18 January 2020 04:01

@buzzybee

Thanks. Gonna do

BippyM 18 January 2020 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzybee (Post 1372317)
You think it is immoral to kindly ask people to support creators for their art or editorial content? Please explain.

Gladly, as that's not what I'm getting at. I firmly believe artists should be paid and supported, what I don't agree with is how some go about it.. Smoke and mirrors!

I think it is immoral to post a video, then post to effectively say "here is the document to support the video, go read it", but to do so you have to pay me, without actually saying that!

You could and should have just posted the video and left it there, and included all info regarding your patreon on the YouTube video description, especially on a forum where you are called out about a game anyway, and there is a little heat surrounding the game.

sandruzzo 18 January 2020 10:12

What about free donations?

BippyM 18 January 2020 14:33

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Originally Posted by sandruzzo (Post 1372347)
What about free donations?


I assume this is aimed at me... If so, free donations are fine, just don't ask for them in the main thread!


Same as I have no issues anyone putting their patereon details in their signature for example. I think asking/begging/hinting for them is a little distasteful..


Maybe that is just me!

DamienD 18 January 2020 14:36

It's not just you BippyM; I feel the same way.

Creating a post in a forum, then saying "You should read this", but the only way to do so is by subscribing to Paetron is a bit off in my books.

I mean, Richard is getting free advertising on EAB.

sandruzzo 18 January 2020 14:39

@BippyM

Just a thought, not for you or anyone.

buzzybee 25 January 2020 11:46

Dave Rowland from the UK-based South West Amiga Group recently asked if I wanted to show RESHOOT PROXIMA 3 at the "Workbench 2020" community event today. Unfortunately, I can´t make it there personally. But I will participate in a skype chat today at 2:30 pm UTC / 15:30 Uhr german time; and also put up a new gameplay video. Might be a nice substitute. Further info:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/33437340

Rochabian 25 January 2020 12:49

Really better method of teasing this time.

Very appreciated here

Good job, thanks for the video.

buzzybee 25 January 2020 13:09

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Originally Posted by Rochabian (Post 1374268)
Really better method of teasing this time.

Very appreciated here

Good job, thanks for the video.

Thank you very much. Posting is not much different to what I contribute to the community since many years though :-)

DamienD 25 January 2020 13:35

I don't want to start everything off again; but when Rochabian said "Really better method of teasing this time." he means that it's good that you've now provided all information as opposed to leaving it behind some Patreon pay wall:

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Originally Posted by DamienD (Post 1373406)
Fact, this developer and others, get free marketing on all Amiga forums across the world; and that's usually ok.

Considering the above, it's very wrong in my book to then post "snippets" about the game on the forum, but then say "you must read this" knowing full well that the only way to do so is by subscribing to a monthly Patreon site; essentially to get more money.

...but on the other hand; why would you restrict this information to only Patreon users; if you did, all non-subscribers wouldn't see this free promotional opportunity.

Nothing noble being done here in my opinion, just clever marketing...


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