a500 rev 5 1mb chipmem mod... confused
Hi All,
Can someone explain this, i am confused... according to all i have seen, the Rev 5 mobo requires jp2 cut and the upper 2 pads blobbed, and also a trace cut near the expansion port. It also apparently requires a Agnus 8372A to allow 1 mb of chipmem. here is a picture of the Rev 5 motherboard i have done and it reports 1mb chipmem and the 2.05 kickstart only needs 1 wire and not 2 ? I cut the trace between the lower 2 pads of JP2 and blobbed the upper 2 pads of jp2. added 1 wire to KS2.05 from pin 1 to pin 31. I cut no other traces or lifted any pins out of sockets. I used my own fastmem board and removed the blob on my expansion board from the _extick jumper (pin 32). I left the agnus 8371 onboard and booted up... here is the results... http://www.kipper2k.com/a500/rev51mbmobo_small.jpg (one important thing to note, a lot of fastmem expansion boards have pin 32 set to ground so you may have to cut a trace on the motherboard that feeds pin 32 of the fastmem board. here is what avail reports http://www.kipper2k.com/a500/rev51mbavail.jpg here is the supersized motherboard picture. according to wiki, i should not get 1mb chpmem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_Agnus |
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The 1MB chip mod is as you described for the rev 5. Quote:
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Very curious. I seem to remember you were supposed to get green screens or "yellow gurus" if you do this with the 8371. Oh yes and try to set a large screenmode, get some of that upper chip ram into use. |
Thanks for the info Jope, I done a couple of tests on the board and the ram is real, i was able to copy files to and from upper chipmem area and was also able to play superfrog on WHDload which requires 1mb chipmem. I did find an article that was written by Zetro done a while back that states that the 8371 does support 1mb chipmem. it appears that this is the cas so far.
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I did same thing on one board and it worked (it was real chip ram , played mods , opened screens etc).
Reason I did it was I didn't have 0.5 mem expansion at hand :P Maybe someone could confirm what are limitations of of rev 5 (I'm guessing that in can address 1 Mb as CHIP or 0.5 CHIP 0.5 Slow). I used this : http://aminet.net/package/docs/hard/1MBChip No sorry , that's not it , I can't find it now. From what I remember I soldered memory chips added components cut the trace and that was it. I think I remember reading that doing so meant you can no longer use trap door extension but not sure.Motherboard was not v6 and it had kick 1.2 by default. |
Hi kipper, so just to clarify, if I have a Rev 5 with KS 3.1, and already have 8372A Agnus, all I have to do is:
- Cut lower part of JP2 - Place a solder blob on upper part of JP2 just like your photo - Remove the blob on your expansion board from the _extick jumper (pin 32) That's it? |
indeed a 8372a is required for 1 mb chip.. did you confirm that dma actually works for the upper half meg of chip? because with an agnus not supporting 1mb chip, i think it is accessible for the cpu, but not dma..
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It's as if some messages are missing from this thread? I seem to remember we determined that it will not really work even though the OS sees 1MB chip.
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I think that was a different thread about the Rev 6A?
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Could be. My memory isn't what it used to be. :-/
Nevertheless: the 8371 will not do 1MB chip, even though it appears to work. :-) |
Much better 1M chip test: set WB to 1 plane mode, reboot, run programs/fill RAM disk until you have about 300k or so chip RAM left. Set WB to 3/4 plane mode. Corrupted display = upper 512k is not true chip ram.
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Is anyone able to confirm this? @kipper2k?
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That's it. The extick can be disabled by any means you like.
Some trapdoor ram boards have a switch. Turn the switch off. Some have a solder blob / jumper, desolder/cut the jumper. If you don't have either, then the nicest non-destructive method is to remove GARY and bend out the extick/exram pin so that it doesn't go into the socket. (edit: no, don't do it, it needs a pullup resistor) |
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GIS for gary pinout, and this was one of the first hits:
http://megaburken.net/~patrik/pinout_temp/Gary.gif |
OK, so I bent out Pin 32 like this:
http://www.jspusa.com/technical/jspfig1b.jpg Still only 414K of graphics memory. Do I also need to cut JP2? I just want to be clear about what you're saying before I do anything. |
Yes, JP2 is very important here. Cut and solder to the other position.
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OK I've done everything.
Whilst doing it, pin 31 of my Kickstart 3.1 became loose. Then the pin fell off the Kickstart completely. I've attempted a solder repair. When turning on the A500 Rev 5, now I either get a copper colored screen or a yellow colored screen. Copper used to happen and still does when the Kipper2k Fastmem with IDE board isn't secure. If I push down on that the yellow screen (a new thing) now happens. I'm trying to work out: - Is the copper or yellow screen due to the JP2 mods gone wrong somehow? - Or is the copper or yellow screen due to the Kickstart pin 31 coming loose meaning my repair isn't making contact with the pin's nub (which is recessed inside the chip – nightmare)? |
It is very possible that your pin 31 problem is the culprit, in case the ROM is in 8 bit mode.
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