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danko 30 November 2019 18:50

8bitdo Retro Receiver for SEGA for Amiga??
 
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Hi,i bought this adapter, 8bitdo Retro Receiver for SEGA,you can use it on Amiga in some way?

Retro-Nerd 30 November 2019 18:53

No, it's a Bluetooth receiver. The 2.4GHz version of the M30 8Bitdo controller works though, especially with a Genesis2AmigaCD32 controller adapter.

edit: Ah, ok. The Genesis2AmigaCD32 adapter makes the M30 Bluetooth controller compatible too as it seems. Sadly Melbourne Console Reproductions doesn't have the adapter in stock anymore. A cheap custom build adapter with switched pins for Power and Ground should work too.

First post after the review.

https://gbatemp.net/review/8bitdo-se...-receiver.977/

danko 30 November 2019 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd (Post 1362316)
No, it's a Bluetooth receiver. The 2.4GHz version of the M30 8Bitdo controller works though, especially with a Genesis2AmigaCD32 controller adapter.

edit: Ah, ok. The Genesis2AmigaCD32 adapter makes the M30 Bluetooth controller compatible too as it seems. Sadly Melbourne Console Reproductions doesn't have the adapter in stock anymore. A cheap custom build adapter with switched pins for Power and Ground should work too.

First post after the review.

https://gbatemp.net/review/8bitdo-se...-receiver.977/


Ok,thx for the infos!

danko 30 November 2019 19:34

And for the custom build adapter have a schematics?

Retro-Nerd 30 November 2019 19:40

Daedalus probably have something like this. For the pinouts. It seems only the +5V has to be switched from pin 5 to 7.

http://phobosys.de/blog_january_18.html

danko 30 November 2019 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd (Post 1362325)
Daedalus probably have something like this. For the pinouts. It seems only the +5V which has to be switched from pin 5 to 7.

http://phobosys.de/blog_january_18.html


Thanks!!!! :bowdown

danko 30 November 2019 19:58

It possible to make an adapter with only two DB9 male and female connector with correct pinout?

Retro-Nerd 30 November 2019 20:21

Probably. But i haven't tried it. Maybe Daedalus or Jope can tell you this for sure. A wired controller doesn't even need an adapter with switched pins, but powering the wireless MD adapter doesn't work properly without the little fix as it seems.

SukkoPera 01 December 2019 16:47

Wired controllers have a single IC inside, which gets powered "parasitically" through pin 7 and works anyway. This thing definitely needs proper powering, hence the need to provide +5V on pin 5.

You can try with my OpenC64MegaDrivePadAdapter:

https://github.com/SukkoPera/OpenC64MegaDrivePadAdapter

Daedalus 02 December 2019 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by danko (Post 1362328)
It possible to make an adapter with only two DB9 male and female connector with correct pinout?

Yep, an adaptor is very easy to build with a male and female 9-pin plug. Swapping pins 5 and 7 will give you proper power and control to the pad, but occasionally that won't work, so to force the MD pad permanently into 2-button mode you simply connect Amiga pin 7 to pad pin 5, and also pad pin 7 to pad pin 5 (preferably via a 1k resistor), leaving Amiga pin 5 unconnected.

danko 02 December 2019 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedalus (Post 1362655)
Yep, an adaptor is very easy to build with a male and female 9-pin plug. Swapping pins 5 and 7 will give you proper power and control to the pad, but occasionally that won't work, so to force the MD pad permanently into 2-button mode you simply connect Amiga pin 7 to pad pin 5, and also pad pin 7 to pad pin 5 (preferably via a 1k resistor), leaving Amiga pin 5 unconnected.


Hi, it possible to make an schematic? could be useful for everyone......:bowdown

indigolemon 02 December 2019 20:57

Daedalus posted one a while back, found a copy of it here:

http://steel-alive.fr/wp-content/upl...md-adaptor.png

Daedalus 04 December 2019 00:37

Cheers :D Yeah, that one also includes diodes, which makes the MD pad safe to use on a C64 too. But if you're only going to use it on an Amiga, you can leave the diodes out.

A 1K resistor instead of a wire between controller pins 5 and 7 will give protection against the unlikely event of using a 3-button Amiga mouse through the adaptor, in which scenario pressing the middle mouse button would short the 5V rail to ground.

Solo Kazuki 04 December 2019 15:21

Better schematic is this one (from Flashback docs).

Code:

                Prise DB-9 Mâle                  Prise DB-9 Femelle       


                    -                                -
                    |  \                            |  \
                    |  \                            |  \
                1  | .  \---------------------------| o  \  1
                    |    \                          |    \
                  6 |    . --          ,------------|    o    6
                    |      | \        /            |      | 
                2  | .    |--\-------/--------------| o    | 2
                    |      |  \    /              |      | 
                  7 |    . |----\---'  ,-------------|    o |  7
                    |      |    \    /              |      | 
    ==>        3  | .    |------\--/---------------| o    | 3        ==> 
                    |      |      \/                |      | 
  Joystick        8 |    . |-------/\----------------|    o |  8      Port
 4  boutons        |      |      /  \              |      |        Joystick
                4  | .    |-----/----\--------------| o    | 4      AMIGA
                    |      |    /      \            |      | 
                  9 |    . ----/--------\------------|    o    9
                    |    /  /          \          |    /
                5  | .  /---'            \----------| o  /  5
                    |  /                            |  /   
                    |  /                            |  /
                    -                                -     


        Cela revient donc à relier chacune des broches de la prise mâle
        à leur homologue de la prise femelle, sauf la 5 qui va à la 7,
        la 6 qui va à la 5 et enfin la 7 à la 6.

You can use all four buttons in few games (e.g. Flashback).

nogginthenog 04 December 2019 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedalus (Post 1362971)
Cheers :D Yeah, that one also includes diodes, which makes the MD pad safe to use on a C64 too. But if you're only going to use it on an Amiga, you can leave the diodes out.

A 1K resistor instead of a wire between controller pins 5 and 7 will give protection against the unlikely event of using a 3-button Amiga mouse through the adaptor, in which scenario pressing the middle mouse button would short the 5V rail to ground.

I used Megadrive controllers back in the 90s without issues. Was that bad?
We used them to play Barbarian. Just Barbarian. We would steal them from my friends little brother :)

Little brother is not so little these days and came with me to Amiga32/34.

Daedalus 04 December 2019 22:44

No, there's only a tiny risk, and that's only in edge cases like games that continuously try to read a CD32 pad.

@Solo Kazuki
Yeah, that's good for a few games, but it also won't work for other games because the fire button is re-routed. If they'd simply swapped pins 5 and 7 it would work in moth scenarios, but too late now...

danko 07 December 2019 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by indigolemon (Post 1362732)
Daedalus posted one a while back, found a copy of it here:

http://steel-alive.fr/wp-content/upl...md-adaptor.png




Make this cable and tested it on Amiga 600 with a wired sega controller, but only one key is mapped, with adapter by sukkopera two buttons are mapped,can you do some mods to make 2 buttons work?

Daedalus 17 December 2019 12:11

Hmmmm... There's no button mapping done by that cable - in 2-button mode, pin 6 is button 1 (B on the MD pad) and pin 9 is button 2 (C on the MD pad). If button 2 isn't working, check the connection between them. Measure the voltage of the pin at the Amiga side if possible, it should be close to 5V by default and should drop to 0V when button C is pressed.

Have you included the diodes in your cable? They're primarily for protection of the C64 and aren't strictly necessary on the Amiga. I have found that it works fine on the A1200, but given that the button 2 input is an analogue input being used to detect a digital signal, its characteristics might change slightly from machine to machine, and the diode might be enough to upset it in some cases. Try remove / bypass the diode to pin 9 and see if that helps.

danko 17 December 2019 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedalus (Post 1365638)
Hmmmm... There's no button mapping done by that cable - in 2-button mode, pin 6 is button 1 (B on the MD pad) and pin 9 is button 2 (C on the MD pad). If button 2 isn't working, check the connection between them. Measure the voltage of the pin at the Amiga side if possible, it should be close to 5V by default and should drop to 0V when button C is pressed.

Have you included the diodes in your cable? They're primarily for protection of the C64 and aren't strictly necessary on the Amiga. I have found that it works fine on the A1200, but given that the button 2 input is an analogue input being used to detect a digital signal, its characteristics might change slightly from machine to machine, and the diode might be enough to upset it in some cases. Try remove / bypass the diode to pin 9 and see if that helps.


All six diode included in this cable and try to remove diode D6 is ok?

Daedalus 17 December 2019 13:25

Yep, just to see if it helps.


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