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Anubis 20 September 2019 15:53

French Court Says Valve Must Allow Steam Users To Resell Games
 
Really interesting read, specially the ending of article...

Quote:

Again, though, Valve, plans to appeal the ruling. “We disagree with the decision of the Paris Court of First Instance and will appeal it,” a Valve representative told Kotaku in an email. “The decision will have no effect on Steam while the case is on appeal.”

So don’t expect any major changes in the near future. Still, it’s notable that UFC-Que Choisir scored this victory, and it could very well lead to changes on Valve’s platform. A 2014 Australian court ruling, for example, led to Steam’s current refund policy. Similarly, the company began to go after the 2.3 billion dollar Counter-Strike gambling ring that sprung up in its backyard in 2016 only after lawsuits began to trickle in. For now, however, the appeal still lies ahead, so probably don’t go around trying to pawn off your old, digital-dust-covered games just yet.
https://kotaku.com/french-court-says...sel-1838259529

LongLifeA1200 20 September 2019 18:02

Do they mean physical copies that require Steam to activate?

spiff 20 September 2019 18:36

So.. for less of a cost* than paying lawyers for an appeal process, steam can more or less ignore this for 6 months, and then it goes away??

"3,000 Euros per day for up to six months."

Or they could just do like gamestop, raise all prices by 25% and resell at normal price with a 20% cut to valve.




*slight exaggeration for effect

Anubis 20 September 2019 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongLifeA1200 (Post 1346748)
Do they mean physical copies that require Steam to activate?

I think they mean all games, be it digital or physical. Wonder if this goes through, will Sonny, Nintendo and M$ be next...

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiff (Post 1346754)
So.. for less of a cost* than playing lawyers for an appeal process, steam can more or less ignore this for 6 months, and then it goes away??

"3,000 Euros per day for up to six months."

Or they could just do like gamestop, raise all prices by 25% and resell at normal price with a 20% cut to valve.




*slight exaggeration for effect

That is what I read. Just 3k per day, bit over half mil... rise price a bit so Gabe has something to mulch... :)

LongLifeA1200 21 September 2019 04:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis (Post 1346762)
I think they mean all games, be it digital or physical.

Very odd if they include digital-only as well. They're considered non-transferable life-time licenses. To be able to sell them is only asking for trouble. Games in your digital library will start to have expiration dates. It'll bring "games as a service" faster than ever before.

thellier 21 September 2019 07:19

"UFC que choisir" is an old and famous consumers association that have revealed various scandals (mainly about junk food) and won several trials
I mean they are good and lost a trial against them is not something you can ignore
More infos hère
https://www.google.fr/search?source=...60.1hyOthBrCrk

spiff 21 September 2019 10:49

Thellier, thnx for the local / historical context.. makes more sense to me now.

Do you have a feel for if they are going for software/immaterial ownership should be the same as physical? Or just case by case, ie re-sell of steam games should be the same online as in stores.

Anubis 21 September 2019 18:51

Why they would threat electronic ownership any different then license ownership of software?? Should your ownership allow you to purchase/sell license of someone who already purchased license??

spiff 22 September 2019 07:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis (Post 1346961)
Why they would threat electronic ownership any different then license ownership of software?? Should your ownership allow you to purchase/sell license of someone who already purchased license??

I'm asking because I simply don't understand what the verdict means. The push-back from the industry will be different depending what it is.

Currently most of Take2 and EAs money is made from loot boxes, the next goal post is "games as a service" to make money.
  • Either this means that a French citizen can legally re-sell a Fifa steam key, ~$30
  • Or that they can sell Fifa with season pass + Fifa steam key, ie steam key + something that doesn't exist yet (~$60)
  • Or all of the above, that that they can sell Fifa with 200+ loot box player cards ultimate team complete (~$3000)

EA can let the first one through, and just "sell" FIFA as free to play next year, or game pass exclusive "free". They "can't" go to their next stock holder meeting saying that quarterly income has dropped, due to player cards being sold directly between players.

thellier 22 September 2019 08:20

Like you I dont have the answer
UFC also have his own independant printed magazine that test various things (which fridge buy?,which internet provider ?, testing and analyzing food, etc...) so certainly this trial has/will be explained inside.
Certainly the idea is "chose to buy a digital copy must not let you with less comsumer rights (like resell) than the physical one"

malko 22 September 2019 11:59

I think like @thellier.
With a physical copy (a box, a CD/DVD, etc.) it is possible to resell it.
Therefore, the same rule should apply to non-physical copies (digital downloads).
The owner of the product must be able to sell it (and the transfer of ownership keys possible and easy). Like when the keys where printed on a manual/sheet that was next to the physical copy.

Paul_s 19 October 2019 20:53

If this happens with digital downloads for gaming... would the same apply with digital rights to music and movies?

I can't see this ending well, I'll bet they end up using a subscription based service where you pay x amount for a year to play their games instead of the current licencing model.


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