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Retrofan 15 June 2012 13:38

A1200 Wrong Colors
 
Hi:

This is my "new" 1D1 mobo that I recently fixed repairing a problem with the joystick. It shows too much blue, so the icons are like violet.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R...0/SAM_0634.JPG

This is using Amigakit's scart, that works perfect with the other Amigas.

What can it be? Caps? I cleaned the pins of the connector and I thought it was ok, but as you can see it isn't.

clauddio 15 June 2012 17:07

lack of green
check around the sony chip for small ceramic caps and resistors in bad state

Retrofan 15 June 2012 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by clauddio (Post 823502)
lack of green
check around the sony chip for small ceramic caps and resistors in bad state


Nice, but no idea which is the sony chip:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D...0/SAM_0644.JPG

Or here: http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/phot...res=hi&lang=en

Well, I don't have any cable soldered like in that photo in the chip ADV10

jimbob 15 June 2012 20:03

Sony chip is U12 to the left of IDE connector.

Are you using RGB->SCART cable? I had the idea that this chip was not related to RGB output, only RF and composite?

clauddio 15 June 2012 20:10

the sony cxa1145 near the ide connector (24 pins)
RGB lines pass through there and are amplified by the chip,and they end up in the 23 pin video port

Retrofan 15 June 2012 20:16

Yes, I had the Ide cable over it, so I didn't see it.

But I don't see anything wrong:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...0/SAM_0661.JPG

I can do any amplified photo, with an usb microscope that you ask me.

clauddio 15 June 2012 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 823522)
Sony chip is U12 to the left of IDE connector.

Are you using RGB->SCART cable? I had the idea that this chip was not related to RGB output, only RF and composite?

pins 21 22 23 are RGB outputs,the chip is there to amplify the lines,for RF and composite video
the chip also offer SVHS if you do a little circuit

cpiac64 15 June 2012 20:23

i repaired one with same defect, remove C216 10uF near ide port and verify continuity of 3 wire go to under cxa

Retrofan 15 June 2012 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpiac64 (Post 823527)
i repaired one with same defect, remove C216 10uF near ide port and verify continuity of 3 wire go to under cxa

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O...0/SAM_0670.JPG


So C216 out? Or do I replace it with another?

cpiac64 15 June 2012 20:54

sorry, c219 ? don't remember, look chip cxa, you can look 3 wire at the right from transistor.
sorry find a photo and modify for more info

Retrofan 15 June 2012 21:05

It seems cap 21(4)¿?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e...0/SAM_0679.JPG

cpiac64 15 June 2012 21:18

sorry i am mistake with a600, verify color form rf or composite, test R232a, R232b and R232c 24.9ohm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan (Post 823537)

yes in my a600 one of the 3 wire under C21? are broken, but i verify schematics a1200 1d? is different

Retrofan 15 June 2012 22:55

Before I'll start desoldering and changing them (I can't check them) I've got a doubt. When I got the mobo I was trying to repair a joystick problem, and apart of a chip I changed, I found another thing in the mobo, that I repaired. Now I'm not sure if the Amiga had this colors before.

The smd I repaired was R370C. Has it something to be with the colors? I mean, perhaps it doesn't need that piece.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...oystickCap.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X...ystickCap3.jpg

Edit: Well, here it has it: http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/phot...res=hi&lang=en

keitha1200 15 June 2012 23:51

I had a similar problem in the mid 90s with my 1200 but the problem was with the 'grey' having a slight 'pink' tint to it. I sent to a repair place (advertised in AF) and they told me it was a 'dry solder' problem.

I believe the problem happen, after my 1084 was knocked over, and the 1200 went 'flying' and was suspended in mid air (via the monitor lead). probably not much help, but you never know.

Retrofan 16 June 2012 02:05

I've checked searching for dry joints, resoldering all, broken traces, nothing.
I desoldered my replaced smd and nothing. Now soldered again.

Can't it be just the Sony chip? I could try to solder another from a donnor. If you don't say no I'll try tomorrow.

I've tried with the RF but coudn't watch it (perhaps had to change something of my Tv, dunno). With the Composite I have first this:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...0/SAM_0689.JPG

And this at the end:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a...0/SAM_0692.JPG

Retrofan 16 June 2012 10:41

I've changed the Sony chip with a donnor, but the result is exactly the same; not better, not worse.

Perhaps I can't fix it.

jimbob 16 June 2012 11:11

Hi, your pics of the composite output look to have an opposite colour problem. ie. green is back but now red is missing.

Maybe a trick of the light but maybe a clue? At least you have probably eliminated the sony chip as the cause.

Also, I don't have A1200 schematics so I don't know what R370C is for. But it looks from the photo like you may have a solder bridge between the left side of that resistor and the via just below it. Maybe it is meant to connect there?

Retrofan 16 June 2012 12:29

No, R370C is at the other side of the board, far away, and I don't think it can be related. And there's no trick of the light, it's like that, yes rare to me too.

I'll try to change R232a, R232b and R232c as cpiac said.

Edit: No, I can't. My Amiga for spares hasn't them. I'm now writing to Amigakit to see if they can fix it.

Magno Boots 17 June 2012 01:05

1 Attachment(s)
Just may be worth using the Anemos trick?..

Attachment 31874

I cannot locate the exact thread at the moment, but I had a board that was showing as pink and this mod worked with the LED alone.

No harm in trying.

FOL 17 June 2012 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magno Boots (Post 823718)
Just may be worth using the Anemos trick?..

Attachment 31874

I cannot locate the exact thread at the moment, but I had a board that was showing as pink and this mod worked with the LED alone.

No harm in trying.

hehe, mine has this issue. Just never have any time to fix it, :(.
Dont really notice, aslong as I can play games on it, I dont worry.

@Retrofan

If its wrong on both rgb and compsite, then it could be related to bt101 U30. Or a component linked to sony chip and U30.


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