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malko 18 February 2018 22:46

C64 mini
 
Some months ago I have heard about a C64 mini.
As many of "old"* C= user, my attention has been drawn to the stuff.
Since then it seem that the official site is in deep hibernation.
Did someone have any news about it ?

*everything is relative :D

spudje 18 February 2018 23:06

Yes, it's about to go on sale (I guess on pre-order almost everywhere) and you can find some initial reviews on Youtube.

malko 19 February 2018 00:44

Thanks :)
After seeing some videos, I actually know that the official release is for the 29.03.2018 and it will cost € 80.-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfdWHth78D0 (in french)

demolition 19 February 2018 10:39

I also saw an ad with it from our local electronics-chain and they expect to have it by 27th March:
https://www.elgiganten.dk/product/ga...64-mini-konsol
The price of 699 DKK is ~94€ (including tax).

Kitty 19 February 2018 11:51

Pre-Ordered mine yesterday, nice little addition to have on my pc desk.
The keys are only for show though, you have to plug in a usb keyboard. It does allow you to load more games from usb stick though and the gui is lovely.
Pictures are from: https://twitter.com/llamasoft_ox

https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images...19/01054c5.jpg

https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images...19/02f8264.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Qavbc5Z.jpg

https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images...19/03b2281.jpg

Amigajay 19 February 2018 12:16

Nice! This is what we need for the Amiga.

demolition 19 February 2018 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigajay (Post 1220741)
Nice! This is what we need for the Amiga.

No thank you.

spudje 19 February 2018 14:52

So Kitty, you can now be the judge of the following. Is it the Breadbin that contains the logic or the Joystick. Rumors say, all logic is in the joystick, i.e. just a rerelease of the older Commodore 64DTV https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64_DTV and the breadbin simply acts as a HDMI adapter and USB hub.

Could you try with the breadbin and a different USB joystick instead of the one it came with?

Amigajay 19 February 2018 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by demolition (Post 1220752)
No thank you.

Why not? Its not intended for people who have Amigas, these mini devices are for nostalgia ridden people who dont want all the hassle of buying old hardware or all the pain of kickstarts, disk images and pc usage that emulation brings, exactly why the nes and snes mini consoles have sold millions is proof of that.

dalek 19 February 2018 14:56

Oooh teardown please! I read somehere (unverified) that it is just a C64DTV Joystick and the mini itself is just use as a breakout for USB and HDMI.

Can anyone verify please?

EDIT: lol spudje beat me to it :)

stainy 19 February 2018 15:09

Isn`t it a bit light for a C64? looks like the colour of a C16 or plus4.

Retro-Nerd 19 February 2018 15:13

It has no functionally keyboard, so crap. The full version with keyboard will follow later. Still crap. Indeed only a toy for nostalgia feelings. Due to license problems a lot of games are missing. The "Joystick" doesn't look like quality.

malko 19 February 2018 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by demolition (Post 1220752)
No thank you..

Why not ?!
It is also a good entry point for new generations.

Plug it on the TV and let the children play. :great

So question @kitty, is it worth the buy ?

demolition 19 February 2018 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigajay (Post 1220776)
Why not? Its not intended for people who have Amigas, these mini devices are for nostalgia ridden people who dont want all the hassle of buying old hardware or all the pain of kickstarts, disk images and pc usage that emulation brings, exactly why the nes and snes mini consoles have sold millions is proof of that.

I can understand why someone would want to buy a product that they can just hook up to the TV, power on and start playing without hassle. But I don't get the point of putting a fake keyboard on it.

That joystick looks a lot like a C64DTV so a teardown would indeed be very interesting. The DTV was a proper ASIC design and a modern version of that with HDMI output would be nice. Then if the joystick is lousy, one could just pull out the board inside to get to the C64 which can hopefully be modded as much as a real C64DTV. :)

Retro-Nerd 19 February 2018 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigajay (Post 1220741)
Nice! This is what we need for the Amiga.

What i would like to see is a high quality FPGA like the Super NT in a proper case with keyboard. A new Amiga with all legacy ports but modern ports too, like HDMI and USB. Well, Amiga Reloaded from icomp. Maybe.

malko 19 February 2018 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd (Post 1220785)
What i would like to see is a high quality FPGA like the Super NT in a proper case with keyboard. A new Amiga with all legacy ports but modern ports too, like HDMI and USB. Well, Amiga Reloaded from icomp. Maybe.

I only recently heard about it, are you thinking at something like the 2012 "amiga mini" from C= USA ? link (french)

The icomp.de site is impossible to browse (big menu on top, big picture at the bottom, so interesting middle part is so small that it's useless on my laptop screen...)

Retro-Nerd 19 February 2018 15:55

No, a keyboard Amiga like the A1200 or A500. The reloaded is planned as an A1200 similar computer in an A500 case. A hybrid of real chips and FPGA.

Full compatibility to the old software is mandatory. I don't care about the useless nextgen Amiga stuff.

http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Commodore_A1200_Reloaded

demolition 19 February 2018 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko (Post 1220791)
I only recently heard about it, are you thinking at something like the 2012 "amiga mini" from C= USA ?

That link shows a regular PC with an Amiga logo on the front, so there's not much Amiga about it, not even so-called 'next-gen' Amiga.. Although it can probably run WinUAE just like all other PCs. :)

Amigajay 19 February 2018 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by demolition (Post 1220784)
I can understand why someone would want to buy a product that they can just hook up to the TV, power on and start playing without hassle. But I don't get the point of putting a fake keyboard on it.

Well i guess this was for price reasons, as someone said a full version with working keyboard is coming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd (Post 1220785)
What i would like to see is a high quality FPGA like the Super NT in a proper case with keyboard. A new Amiga with all legacy ports but modern ports too, like HDMI and USB. Well, Amiga Reloaded from icomp. Maybe.

So would i, but general consumers wouldnt pay the amount this would cost, only software emulation via an ARM chip would be cheap enough to sell, but i guess this will never happen with the sad state of the Amigas IPs.

Retro-Nerd 19 February 2018 19:04

I will happen one day, but not for the mass market like this toys. 300-350 Euro maybe for such an Amiga like the reloaded. If not icomp then somebody else will build it. Just like the SpectrumNext or the Ultimate 64.


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