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PurpleMelbourne 12 May 2020 19:44

Newly manufactured 68060's from Rochester
 
In case you don't already know, Rochester took over production of the legacy chip from Freescale. Presumably to fulfill contractual obligations to telecommunication companies like Nortel.

Last year they were wanting US$750 for a new 68060 chip

Now they've dropped the price by around 16.5% to only $623.77, probably about what they cost 25 years ago...

But what's the price of a brand newly manufactured 060?
https://www.rocelec.com/part/fremotmc68060rc50

Well now you know :bash

eXeler0 12 May 2020 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleMelbourne (Post 1399309)
In case you don't already know, Rochester took over production of the legacy chip from Freescale. Presumably to fulfill contractual obligations to telecommunication companies like Nortel.

Last year they were wanting US$750 for a new 68060 chip

Now they've dropped the price by around 16.5% to only $623.77, probably about what they cost 25 years ago...

But what's the price of a brand newly manufactured 060?
https://www.rocelec.com/part/fremotmc68060rc50

Well now you know :bash

No worries, if you order 1000 they're only $574 a piece. :cheese

Edit: BTW, https://www.digipart.com/part/MC68060RC50
Look at those stock numbers, 060 availability really isn't a problem.

torsti76 12 May 2020 20:32

Well, taking into account what some people sell them used on the various bays for, this seems like a fair deal. And at least you know you'll get a non-fake real rev. 6. :-D

Amiga4000 12 May 2020 20:48

I wonder if they accept "Trade In's". :D

malko 12 May 2020 20:48

I am really quite surprised by the high price :confused .
It's not like if they had R&D to amortize...

coldacid 12 May 2020 21:28

Yeah for a chip that already has that much inventory and is considered obsolete, those Rochester prices look like a total ripoff.

lesta_smsc 12 May 2020 21:38

They are probably basing price on current market value then add on 10-20% since item is new.

Daedalus 12 May 2020 23:02

I don't think it's the R&D costs they're trying to cover, it's the high setup, processing, testing and warranty costs they're trying to justify over what would be a very small manufacturing run. It's not like they're going to make hundreds of thousands of them.

PurpleMelbourne 13 May 2020 02:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedalus (Post 1399349)
I don't think it's the R&D costs they're trying to cover, it's the high setup, processing, testing and warranty costs they're trying to justify over what would be a very small manufacturing run. It's not like they're going to make hundreds of thousands of them.

You're probably right. Its all in the tooling expense.
If you order one chip, they'll do it, and then keep a bunch on the shelf for the next buyer in two years. That's their business model.

Now they have lowered their price that little bit, I'm actually thinking about getting one... at the end of the year.

I wonder what they will clock at. I've heard the late Freescales could do 110MHz.

alexh 13 May 2020 09:22

The FAB that made 68060 chips closed a long time ago. I’d bet strong money these are not being made today but are NOS made as a stockpile in the early 00s before the FAB closed. Motorola had military contracts using the 060 and so had to guarantee a supply for decades to qualify. The high prices are because they expect the only buyers today to be military with deep pockets. There is absolutely no way they know/care the Amiga market exists.

LongLifeA1200 13 May 2020 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleMelbourne (Post 1399309)
$623.77[US]

That is rather steep.
Still cheaper than AmigaOne, I guess.

Jope 13 May 2020 14:03

Vampire related discussion deleted, please carry on with the 68060 discussion.

Solo Kazuki 13 May 2020 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXeler0 (Post 1399316)
Look at those stock numbers, 060 availability really isn't a problem.

Indeed... :laughing

Qty In Stock: 1
(...)
There is a minimum quantity of 1 and a maximum quantity of 1 for this product.

Juz400 13 May 2020 14:45

I`ll just drop this in here as a comparison!
https://www.cbronline.com/news/motor...0_next_quarter

I dont think many of the Amiga board makers would hope to sell 10k units to get the best price, quite the gamble to purchase back then!

roondar 13 May 2020 15:24

Interesting. That works out to be around $412 adjusting for inflation.
A pity the price @1000 units in 1994 isn't known, we could've done a better comparison.

Note: I do understand the 2020 price point is ridiculous, but it kind of makes sense given the extremely low quantities they'll be selling and the markets they intend to aim at.

eXeler0 13 May 2020 15:42

Lol, what the hell is this?
030 rebranded as 060?
https://www.utsource.net/itm/p/661879.html

Even the Mask ID corresponds to 030.. (obviously the packaging..)

grond 13 May 2020 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXeler0 (Post 1399505)
Lol, what the hell is this?
030 rebranded as 060?

That's the famous 060-overdrive processor for 030 sockets... :laughing

Juz400 14 May 2020 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by roondar (Post 1399501)
Interesting. That works out to be around $412 adjusting for inflation.
A pity the price @1000 units in 1994 isn't known, we could've done a better comparison.

Note: I do understand the 2020 price point is ridiculous, but it kind of makes sense given the extremely low quantities they'll be selling and the markets they intend to aim at.

Imagine if the current A1200 never existed and both AGA machines shared the same motherboard, A4000 CD and a thinner NON CD Desktop version instead of A1200.

10K units could have been a realistic sales figure, if as stated the 060 was HALF the price of the Pentium, the price for a drop in 060 card should/could have been 3/4 of the price of the Intel CPU!
You still would have needed a Motherboard and RAM for the Intel upgrade!

eXeler0 14 May 2020 22:26

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Originally Posted by PurpleMelbourne (Post 1399394)
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Now they have lowered their price that little bit, I'm actually thinking about getting one... at the end of the year.

I wonder what they will clock at. I've heard the late Freescales could do 110MHz.

Yea that's the big question. Its very hard to find any info about the manufacturing process, but unless the old equipment was being tossed around there would be a new mask and production line and should by done at a much smaller manufacturing process.. Yea its some work to shrink a design, but then you get a whole lot more chips from one wafer so its usually worth it.. If its done on any sort of half-modern process it should overclock really nicely..

alexh 15 May 2020 09:11

I bet good money they are not making new ones. Just selling old ones they had in stock. They will be standard Rev 6 E41J made between 2004 and 2008. I've never seen a legit part made after 2009.

I can see on Google Maps, NXP is still operating at the address of MOS-11 (where 68060 was made). It says that it is now a 0.25um FAB which indicates to me that they closed the 0.32um production line used by 060. (0.25um is still very old, new production lines are now 0.007um)


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