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8bitbubsy 09 September 2009 16:24

Let's change those Amiga capacitors!
 
Having sound problems or other weird "coming and goes" issues with your A1200?
So do I, so let's exchange those old capacitors to see if it solves the issues. It's healthy for her!

I don't advice you to do it if you have no experience soldering on SMD components! Be extremely careful when lifting the SMDs off from their pads - I take no responsibilities.
"Also remember to observe polarity when taking old caps off. The new ones have to go back the same way." - Eclipse

http://16-bits.org/amiga/images/a1200/a1200_recap.jpg

Most of the parts can be found at http://www.futurlec.com/

rkauer 09 September 2009 17:13

3. 10uF x 35V (no need for, any above 16V will do)
4. 100uF x 65V (same remarks as above)
5. 22uF x 25V *
6. 47uF x 16V

*notice that the pair very near the audio connector need to be no-polarized units instead the original (AND WRONG) polarized pair Commodore used in that place.

8bitbubsy 09 September 2009 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer (Post 593081)
*notice that the pair very near the audio connector need to be no-polarized units instead the original (AND WRONG) polarized pair Commodore used in that place.

Does it make any difference? :blased

Shadowfire 09 September 2009 17:51

Yes.

8bitbubsy 09 September 2009 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowfire (Post 593098)
Yes.

What difference does it make? I'm curious.

illy5603 09 September 2009 19:01

This thread looks useful but now I can't tell where everything goes.

@RKAUER,

Using your advice form a similar thread I bought a strip of the 22uF 25V caps from digi-key to replace my audio caps. What about the other caps listed here, where do they go?

Thanks!

8bitbubsy 09 September 2009 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer (Post 593081)
3. 10uF x 35V (no need for, any above 16V will do)
4. 100uF x 65V (same remarks as above)
5. 22uF x 25V *
6. 47uF x 16V

*notice that the pair very near the audio connector need to be no-polarized units instead the original (AND WRONG) polarized pair Commodore used in that place.

Time to buy these !!

15-pack 10µF 16v SMD:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SMD-Electrolytic...d=p4999.c0.m14
$1.50

10-pack 100µF 16v SMD:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SMD-Electrolytic...d=p4999.c0.m14
$1.50

10-pack 22µF 25v SMD:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SMD-Electrolytic...d=p4999.c0.m14
$1.50
(What about the no-polarize thingie here? :confused)

10-pack 47µF 16v SMD:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SMD-Electrolytic...d=p4999.c0.m14
$1.50

Are these okay?
All from the same seller, and super cheap! :D

prowler 09 September 2009 20:06

Thanks for restoring your opening post, 8bitbubsy! :great

rkauer 10 September 2009 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8bitbubsy (Post 593100)
What difference does it make? I'm curious.

The audio out circuit is an alternate voltage circuit, requiring no-polarized capacitors (it uses + & -12V). Commodore did use ordinary polarized units to cut costs since the current who flows through the capacitors is very low and so the ordinary capacitors will last some time.

Of course, they are the first ones who "suffers the penalty" when the capacitors starts to decay.

NovaCoder 10 September 2009 03:54

Good old Commodore, cutting costs to the last ;)

illy5603 10 September 2009 05:46

So will these work for the 2 audio capacitors? I have 25 of em' here so I am hoping they are correct.

Cosmos 10 September 2009 08:38

Please, post the bill of materials (capacitors) for all other Amiga Classics


Thanks,

Eclipse 10 September 2009 09:51

Hi,
So actually it's:
3 x 22uf 25v electrolytic
2 x 22uf 25v non-electrolytic

I would actually list those 2 caps on their own, some people may get confused.

Also remember to observe polarity when taking old caps off. The new ones have to go back the same way.

rkauer 10 September 2009 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclipse (Post 593409)
Hi,
So actually it's:
2 x 22uf 25v non-electrolytic

Almost right (but still wrong): 2 x 22uF 25V electrolytic non-polarized.

rkauer 10 September 2009 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by illy5603 (Post 593373)
So will these work for the 2 audio capacitors? I have 25 of em' here so I am hoping they are correct.

Those are the same polarized units used on the circuit. And with the same short lifespan (1000 hours).

Look for something better. They are some mini-capacitors with same capacitance and even smaller body with a way longer lifespan out there.;)

illy5603 10 September 2009 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer (Post 593602)
Those are the same polarized units used on the circuit. And with the same short lifespan (1000 hours).

Look for something better. They are some mini-capacitors with same capacitance and even smaller body with a way longer lifespan out there.;)

Thanks... I ordered those capacitors from recommendations in another thread, bummer that they are not 100% correct. Not being familiar with these components, I have no idea how to tell a polarized capacitor from a non polarized one. I don't see any mention of polarization in the description of the part I purchased. Maybe it is there but I am not familiar with all of the notation and terminology.

I think what a lot of us are hoping for is "Capacitors to replace on your Amiga for Dummies" even if it is just for the parts needed. I am having a professional do the install.


:-)

rkauer 10 September 2009 21:30

The black mark over the top is the negative side. Also on the bottom side you'll notice the rubber pad is not square: the narrow side is the positive lead.

Of course, in no-polarized units there is no such indications, since there are no positive nor negative side.

8bitbubsy 10 September 2009 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer (Post 593602)
Those are the same polarized units used on the circuit. And with the same short lifespan (1000 hours).

Look for something better. They are some mini-capacitors with same capacitance and even smaller body with a way longer lifespan out there.;)

Hey..
Do you happen to know where I can buy these 'better ones'..?
Ebay would be fine, or something.. Shipping and "pickup job" is usually super expensive on eletronics stores online :banghead

rkauer 10 September 2009 22:53

Futurlec is a very good option for UK and european citizens.

Look for SMD capacitors first then on non-polarized units. Top service with fast delivery and good prices.

[EDIT] SMD no-polarized units page: http://www.futurlec.com/CapElectroNonPolar.shtml

8bitbubsy 10 September 2009 23:38

Thanks for that site, cheap shipping! :D

EDIT: I can only find 16v, 35v and 50v for the 25v 22µF polarized ones. What to choose? :confused
And the non-polarized ones are 100v


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