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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd
(Post 1309487)
Can't believe that people still defend these Italian patent trolls. They did one good program in the past, Personal Paint. The rest they do is using other peoples work to earn money. THE most obsolete company since more than 20 years in the Amiga scene.
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Originally Posted by Hedeon
(Post 1309541)
Yeah, moar UAE repackaging plx!
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They are not focusing their emulation business on owners of real Amiga hardware but people who once had Amiga or who like retro/emulation.
AF is easy to install and easy to use with legal licensed ROMs, OS and few games. Nothing wrong about it.
BTW if you check the readme file in WinAUE you will find also "Acknowledgements: to Cloanto for their Amiga Forever work"
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Originally Posted by Syntrax
(Post 1309520)
What is right for the community about Cloanto going after iComp because they think, they get a financial benefit from a product that has been given away centuries ago on Aminet? Sure Jens made a newer version, but if you don't want to pay, use the old free version because it works perfectly. (Imagine you could ask 3 Euro's for each copy of P96 running...$$$$$$$$) The right thing for the community would be: leave it in peace. Cloanto is willingly looking for conflicts because they want money, they actively seek conflicts. Again, who does that benefit? the Amiga Users or Cloanto?
Cloanto has become an ordinary patent troll.
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In this one case icomp vs Cloanto, Cloanto is not the side looking for conflicts at all. They just defend their selfs and publicly showed their evidence.
Riddle me this. If Cloanto licensed P69 only for AF 5, why P96 authors never ever tried sue them for money in the past. There were at least 5 more major versions of AF till Jens bought the P96...
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Originally Posted by grelbfarlk
(Post 1309508)
While I'm not a fan of Jens, this is some serious bullshit. IComp produces some decent hardware and it's only Amiga users that suffer from Cloanto being the Satanic Amiga Mafia trying to shake down anyone actually producing anything.
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Cloanto is not attacking icomp, they are defedning their selfs in this very case.
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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd
(Post 1309505)
With what? Software from other people? And Cloanto cleary has no hardware developer. The are a just a software company. I expect nothing from them. No matter what the juristic result of this hilarious nonsense is. Just for entertaining purposes what these "Amiga experts" have done the last 20 years.
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Software from other people? AmigaOS 3.1.4. Hyperion. What's the difference.
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Originally Posted by Syntrax
(Post 1309456)
My gloomy view on this matter:
Cloanto is predictable. They want it all and try to get everything. Since all Intellectual Property is now in the hands of Cloanto (at least they claim that), they are free to do about everything with Amiga. Next targets on the list will be companies like Apollo Accelerators, Elbox and other organisations that make hardware for Amiga's because Cloanto has the the right to prevent organisations and persons to create hardware for Amiga systems, unless they pay Cloanto a license. Apple also does that, its common practice.
Cloanto will claim that their IP rights, also entitles them to asking for licensing fees effectively charging money for every piece of equipment made for and sold for an Amiga. Cloanto, this way, is ensured of a steady flow of income and they have no obligation what so ever. Just as Amiga Inc was in it, to drain money from the Amiga IP, so is Cloanto. We haven't seen the last court-case.
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I have no idea what Cloanto's intentions are and they are for sure not that predictable as you wrote.
Actally having all the IP under one entity (and I am not saying it has to be Cloanto or anybody else) would be the best outcome of these Amiga wars.
BTW I think that choosing a side here yet is not a good idea coz it can make even more harm for the future.
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