MiniMig V2? - Page 3

cosmicfrog · 22 February 2010, 21:28

thats a lot of chip ram

PowerPie5000 · 22 February 2010, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryCase

I remember reading that WHDload needed an AGA machine to run, does this new core mean WHDload will work, or does the missing 020 still rule that out?

I have WHDLoad running on my A600 and it's fine

But my A600 has 2mb chip and 2mb fast ram installed... Which helps alot

Some games still take a while to load though.

Antiriad · 22 February 2010, 23:01

My old A500 had a fair amount of Ram as well (and an 020 accelerator)

CFOU! · 22 February 2010, 23:33

i confirme it

whdload can run on 68000.

but some interesting features are not supported (VBR relocation, mmu,...) and is better to have some extra-memory...

of course games using 68020's code (or better) can't be run...

Reynolds · 23 February 2010, 08:37

It's getting clearer, I think... I hope

Still what about screen handling? can it be, or will it be fixed? it's too pc-ish, at least for my eyes...
On the other hand, if I want to buy a board, how can I do it to get the most out of it, with the less problems? (like an average user.) I don't want to have trouble with firmwares, etc. Or Acube delivers them with the latest firmware?

alexh · 23 February 2010, 08:55

The FPGA on MiniMig v1.1 PCB from Acube is reportadly too small for Yaqube's new AGA core.

PowerPie5000 · 23 February 2010, 12:10

It just seems the Minimig costs far too much to even consider buying over a real A1200... It still seems to be in the beta development stages after reading all the pros and cons and to me it's not worth the money

And if people go on about it's small size then why not just buy an A600... it's small and has the keyboard + floppy drive built in along with a real ECS chipset. It's also easy to add a hard drive/CF card/ram expansion... All this will be cheaper to buy than a complete (but crippled) Minimig

tonyyeb · 23 February 2010, 12:23

The new fpgarcade should make things more appealing with the selection of systems to choose from along with the enhanced Amiga capabilities over the Minimig.

Paul_s · 23 February 2010, 13:25

Cool but too expensive....

You can buy a new A1200 for less! (okay maybe a bit more if you decide on a non-stock system).

tonyyeb · 23 February 2010, 14:01

Do we have a price?? I've not seen one mentioned? Link please if someone wouldn't mind!

Reynolds · 23 February 2010, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_s

Cool but too expensive....

You can buy a new A1200 for less! (okay maybe a bit more if you decide on a non-stock system).

Errrmm.. new? it is not in production, so you can buy 16 yrs old hw (maybe unused) Then try to find some expansion with the same conditions.
Price always was an issue with Amiga HWs, I clearly remember. in the golden era my Amiga 500 was available for 46000 HUF. 6 yrs later, my salary was 24000 HUF (!)
Fresh hw, nice design, good features. and if once it will be available with direct order w/ all the features what an Amigan needs, it will worth the money.
Awaiting the moment when there will be some additional connectors, like ethernet, and so on. Just that screen flickering issue...:P

PowerPie5000 · 23 February 2010, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reynolds

Errrmm.. new? it is not in production, so you can buy 16 yrs old hw (maybe unused)

New old stock A1200's over at Amigakit.com: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=668

New and unused (may have been around for 16 years but still new and untouched to me

)

Reynolds · 23 February 2010, 16:28

So more than a decade old but unused electronic components versus dozen of months old stuffs. I have a nice collections with original hw, but luckily mostly all operates in acceptable manner. Severe Amigas have been rebuilt by me, recently I'm working on 2 Amiga 500s. Dead A1200 DF0, dead A4000 sound, strange failure on my third A4000 mobo, etc. I'd like to see some refreshing air in this line, and Minimig is a good alternative.
Not perfect yet, but good. Till we can have Natami, for example. Hopefully it will deliver it's promises.

Paul_s · 23 February 2010, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reynolds

So more than a decade old but unused electronic components versus dozen of months old stuffs. I have a nice collections with original hw, but luckily mostly all operates in acceptable manner. Severe Amigas have been rebuilt by me, recently I'm working on 2 Amiga 500s. Dead A1200 DF0, dead A4000 sound, strange failure on my third A4000 mobo, etc. I'd like to see some refreshing air in this line, and Minimig is a good alternative.
Not perfect yet, but good. Till we can have Natami, for example. Hopefully it will deliver it's promises.

I wouldn't say no to one if I had the cash - I know how flaky old Amiga hardware can be (especially the later AGA stuff with corners cut

).

Then again why bother when we have WinUAE..... too many bloody options!

desiv · 23 February 2010, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antiriad

* CPU 68000 (68010+ is recommended because some installs require the VBR for the 'quit by a key' feature)

So I suppose, since they currently only have a 68000 core (albeit a FAST and full 32 bit one), would it be possible to add the VBR or would that be much more complicated and might as well wait for a 680x0 core, where x <> 0?

I was surprised to see some AGA games running, but apparently those games didn't use any 68020 specific instructions. I wonder how common that is?

It's definitely an interesting project to watch..

(edit) also, the price bit.. Of course, there are no prices yet..
I have seen the number 200 Euros in a forum as a possible ("should be under" kind of quote).
That sounds like a fair amount, but when you compare it to an accelerated Amiga 1200 with lots of RAM and VGA output, that's pretty comparable...

desiv

whiteb · 01 March 2010, 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by desiv

So I suppose, since they currently only have a 68000 core (albeit a FAST and full 32 bit one), would it be possible to add the VBR or would that be much more complicated and might as well wait for a 680x0 core, where x <> 0?

I was surprised to see some AGA games running, but apparently those games didn't use any 68020 specific instructions. I wonder how common that is?

It's definitely an interesting project to watch..

(edit) also, the price bit.. Of course, there are no prices yet..
I have seen the number 200 Euros in a forum as a possible ("should be under" kind of quote).
That sounds like a fair amount, but when you compare it to an accelerated Amiga 1200 with lots of RAM and VGA output, that's pretty comparable...

desiv

Dont forget as well, the scandoubler needs to be purchased for the A1200 as well before you can compare the two side by side.., not only VGA output, but the Scandoubler as well.

Add to that, DVI output (So you can convert it to HDMI) for HDTV setup.

desiv · 01 March 2010, 03:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteb

Dont forget as well, the scandoubler needs to be purchased for the A1200 as well before you can compare the two side by side.., not only VGA output, but the Scandoubler as well.

Add to that, DVI output (So you can convert it to HDMI) for HDTV setup.

My bad..
I meant a scandoubler for VGA for the Amiga.
I don't consider that little dongle for going to VGA, but only to use the double modes as an upgrade.. :-)

desiv

NovaCoder · 01 March 2010, 04:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by desiv

So I suppose, since they currently only have a 68000 core (albeit a FAST and full 32 bit one), would it be possible to add the VBR or would that be much more complicated and might as well wait for a 680x0 core, where x <> 0?

I was surprised to see some AGA games running, but apparently those games didn't use any 68020 specific instructions. I wonder how common that is?

It's definitely an interesting project to watch..

(edit) also, the price bit.. Of course, there are no prices yet..
I have seen the number 200 Euros in a forum as a possible ("should be under" kind of quote).
That sounds like a fair amount, but when you compare it to an accelerated Amiga 1200 with lots of RAM and VGA output, that's pretty comparable...

desiv

Although it might launch with an 68000 'softcore' they are working on a 68030 softcore

Also you will be able to attach a daughter-board if you want more power...eg a real 68030 or even a 68060. When they perfect the soft-cores, I think they plan to produce a new faster board with just the sorted softcores

This thing gets more and more interesting. I think we might have something very 'Natami' like in our hands by the end of the year

whiteb · 01 March 2010, 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaCoder

Although it might launch with an 68000 'softcore' they are working on a 68030 softcore

Also you will be able to attach a daughter-board if you want more power...eg a real 68030 or even a 68060. When they perfect the soft-cores, I think they plan to produce a new faster board with just the sorted softcores

This thing gets more and more interesting. I think we might have something very 'Natami' like in our hands by the end of the year

That is the thing though isnt it....., I wont get in to the NatAmi argument as to weather it is really happening or not, but if it IS.., progress slow enough and someone will come out with a product that is equal, quicker and cheaper.

Paul_s · 03 March 2010, 14:15

You will most likely die of old age waiting for the Natami. Minimig v2 is more likely... although I would like to think one of us will win the lottery so we can self-fund an old ex-Commodore employee (Dave Haynie) to build something for us

Dave would probably build a new Amiga from the ground up for $500,000 call it the Amiga 500++ and just acts a drop in board

22 February 2010, 21:28	#41
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 45 Posts: 3,552	thats a lot of chip ram __________________ When in dought RIBBIT .... If it dos`t work hit it with a hammer, if that dos`t work get a bigger hammer.......... Have U scen my sanity Pill`s . . . . . . . . . . . . . . // *This Years Software on Last Years Hardware \\//-- Amiga* --**

22 February 2010, 23:01	#43
Antiriad The Sacred Armour Of Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sussex, UK Age: 34 Posts: 1,127	My old A500 had a fair amount of Ram as well (and an 020 accelerator) __________________ "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

22 February 2010, 23:33	#44
CFOU! Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Age: 40 Posts: 2,222	i confirme it whdload can run on 68000. but some interesting features are not supported (VBR relocation, mmu,...) and is better to have some extra-memory... of course games using 68020's code (or better) can't be run... __________________ Bertrand/CFou!

23 February 2010, 08:55	#46
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,551	The FPGA on MiniMig v1.1 PCB from Acube is reportadly too small for Yaqube's new AGA core. __________________ Thalion Webshrine

23 February 2010, 13:25	#49
Paul_s Stuck in 1985 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Amigaville Age: 35 Posts: 2,846	Cool but too expensive.... You can buy a new A1200 for less! (okay maybe a bit more if you decide on a non-stock system). __________________ Memotech MX512 with optional Kelly LeBrock barbie doll generator...

23 February 2010, 08:37	#45
Reynolds Alien Breeder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szigetszentmiklos / Hungary Age: 35 Posts: 449	It's getting clearer, I think... I hope Still what about screen handling? can it be, or will it be fixed? it's too pc-ish, at least for my eyes... On the other hand, if I want to buy a board, how can I do it to get the most out of it, with the less problems? (like an average user.) I don't want to have trouble with firmwares, etc. Or Acube delivers them with the latest firmware?

23 February 2010, 12:10	#47
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Blackpool, UK Posts: 1,561	It just seems the Minimig costs far too much to even consider buying over a real A1200... It still seems to be in the beta development stages after reading all the pros and cons and to me it's not worth the money And if people go on about it's small size then why not just buy an A600... it's small and has the keyboard + floppy drive built in along with a real ECS chipset. It's also easy to add a hard drive/CF card/ram expansion... All this will be cheaper to buy than a complete (but crippled) Minimig

23 February 2010, 16:28	#53
Reynolds Alien Breeder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szigetszentmiklos / Hungary Age: 35 Posts: 449	So more than a decade old but unused electronic components versus dozen of months old stuffs. I have a nice collections with original hw, but luckily mostly all operates in acceptable manner. Severe Amigas have been rebuilt by me, recently I'm working on 2 Amiga 500s. Dead A1200 DF0, dead A4000 sound, strange failure on my third A4000 mobo, etc. I'd like to see some refreshing air in this line, and Minimig is a good alternative. Not perfect yet, but good. Till we can have Natami, for example. Hopefully it will deliver it's promises.

03 March 2010, 14:15	#60
Paul_s Stuck in 1985 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Amigaville Age: 35 Posts: 2,846	You will most likely die of old age waiting for the Natami. Minimig v2 is more likely... although I would like to think one of us will win the lottery so we can self-fund an old ex-Commodore employee (Dave Haynie) to build something for us Dave would probably build a new Amiga from the ground up for $500,000 call it the Amiga 500++ and just acts a drop in board __________________ Memotech MX512 with optional Kelly LeBrock barbie doll generator...

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