Christian A. Weber games

fiath · 09 November 2003, 01:49

Christian A. Weber ported many other games from Atari ST and PC to Amiga. Apart from what is is HOL already, those games are:

Eliminator
Star Wars
Trans World
Realms Of Arkania

Also many others, but I don't have names.

fiath · 14 November 2003, 11:08

BTW, this should be considered verified because it came from the man himself.

andreas · 09 January 2004, 15:13

Thanks! (albeit a bit late

)

Well what should I do then?

Kick out the Eliminator programmer John M. Phillips, put in C. A. Weber and 'dispel' Phillips into Misc field?

'Porting' in my eyes means that he (Weber) coded the Amiga version, didn't he?

fiath · 26 February 2004, 10:13

Sorry, missed that reply.

Well, I got this from Mr. Weber himself, so yes, I think you should do exactly that.

It might be nice to find out how John M. Phillips got put there instead. He may not have anything to do with the Amiga version (i.e. he ported the game to C64 or something)

Perhaps I should Christian again to see if John has anything to do with the game...

andreas · 02 March 2004, 19:12

Yes, you could ask about John.

Fixed.

DrBong · 03 March 2004, 04:14

John Phillips conceived the game and coded the Atari ST version. No doubt the Amiga version was an ST port and, as is sometimes the case, the ST coders were retained on the titlescreen of the Amiga conversion giving the illusion that they were directly involved in the Amiga coding. Occasionally the real coders are listed in the game contents. I'll have a look at my copy and see if I can uncover anything more about the Linel team involved with the Amiga conversion.

DrBong · 09 March 2004, 05:12

Thought I had an original release of Eliminator, but perhaps I confused it with another Hewson game. Only found a compilation version and the bundled Eliminator docs don't list any credits. Perhaps Christian Weber (and Fiath) can shed some light on this one..........

FromWithin · 09 March 2004, 05:50

Quote:

Originally posted by DrBong
John Phillips conceived the game and coded the Atari ST version. No doubt the Amiga version was an ST port and, as is sometimes the case, the ST coders were retained on the titlescreen of the Amiga conversion giving the illusion that they were directly involved in the Amiga coding. Occasionally the real coders are listed in the game contents. I'll have a look at my copy and see if I can uncover anything more about the Linel team involved with the Amiga conversion.

But a port from the ST version would not be a complete re-write (both 68000), so it's surely incorrect to remove the existing credits. So on that basis, the ST coders were directly involved in the Amiga port.

DrBong · 09 March 2004, 18:15

Quote:

Originally posted by FromWithin
But a port from the ST version would not be a complete re-write (both 68000), so it's surely incorrect to remove the existing credits. So on that basis, the ST coders were directly involved in the Amiga port.

I'm only making an educated guess that it was an ST port. For all we know, the Linel team may have just used the ST titlescreen for the Amiga conversion and tacked themselves on to the existing ST credits as the coders of the Amiga version. Since we can't tell for sure, John Phillips gets a Misc credit for designing the game and a Music credit (he uses a custom format) in the HOL entry.

If the Amiga conversion was confirmed to be an ST port, the ST coders could not be given direct credit anyway because we have no idea what part of the code was retained by Linel (i.e. main code, graphics etc.). In this instance, the ST coders could only be inserted into the Misc credits.

We can only work with the credits that we can extract from the game contents and use our experience to filter out the correct credits from, what is sometimes, ambiguous info. Obviously if we hear differently from official sources like Christian Weber then we're compelled to change credits. However, we're not going to insert credits or change them on the basis of uninformed guesses or hunches (whether they be our own or those from other sources). Too much of this occurred in the embryonic stages of HOL, which has created a lot of extra work for the HOL team in the form of error correction over the last 12 months.

fiath · 10 March 2004, 11:17

I'll contact Christian.

andreas · 04 July 2005, 19:35

Could you please mail Christian once again and ask him in what way his namesake Chris Haller was involved in game development?
(Haller is mentioned on the game intro screen.)

09 November 2003, 01:49	#1
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	Christian A. Weber games Christian A. Weber ported many other games from Atari ST and PC to Amiga. Apart from what is is HOL already, those games are: Eliminator Star Wars Trans World Realms Of Arkania Also many others, but I don't have names. __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

14 November 2003, 11:08	#2
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	BTW, this should be considered verified because it came from the man himself. __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

26 February 2004, 10:13	#4
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	Sorry, missed that reply. Well, I got this from Mr. Weber himself, so yes, I think you should do exactly that. It might be nice to find out how John M. Phillips got put there instead. He may not have anything to do with the Amiga version (i.e. he ported the game to C64 or something) Perhaps I should Christian again to see if John has anything to do with the game... __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

03 March 2004, 04:14	#6
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 1,475	John Phillips conceived the game and coded the Atari ST version. No doubt the Amiga version was an ST port and, as is sometimes the case, the ST coders were retained on the titlescreen of the Amiga conversion giving the illusion that they were directly involved in the Amiga coding. Occasionally the real coders are listed in the game contents. I'll have a look at my copy and see if I can uncover anything more about the Linel team involved with the Amiga conversion. Last edited by DrBong; 09 March 2004 at 05:15.

10 March 2004, 11:17	#10
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	I'll contact Christian. __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

09 January 2004, 15:13	#3
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	Thanks! (albeit a bit late ) Well what should I do then? Kick out the Eliminator programmer John M. Phillips, put in C. A. Weber and 'dispel' Phillips into Misc field? 'Porting' in my eyes means that he (Weber) coded the Amiga version, didn't he?

02 March 2004, 19:12	#5
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	Yes, you could ask about John. Fixed.

09 March 2004, 05:12	#7
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 1,475	Thought I had an original release of Eliminator, but perhaps I confused it with another Hewson game. Only found a compilation version and the bundled Eliminator docs don't list any credits. Perhaps Christian Weber (and Fiath) can shed some light on this one..........

04 July 2005, 19:35	#11
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	Eliminator (again) Could you please mail Christian once again and ask him in what way his namesake Chris Haller was involved in game development? (Haller is mentioned on the game intro screen.)

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