Box scans

[Antiriad]

Lo all, been doing some box scans recently and noticed how on HOL some of them looked, well kinda knackered in places.

My own collection isnt immune to the effects of time, and so as ive scanned ive attempted to airbrush out the ravages.

I just wanted to know what others thought of this action.

Should i or others attempt to do this with their scans?

[Antiriad]

Heres one not amended
http://www.antiriad.com/fireandice1.jpg

[Antiriad]

And one after a airbrush sesh :D
http://www.antiriad.com/fireandice2.jpg

[Twistin'Ghost]

Nice work. I do this on all of my scans, as well. It's what I do at my job anyhow (processing images for print), so I can't help myself. I know Walker probably gets impatient waiting on me to get him my scans sometimes, but I'm rather particular about making them look as good (or often better) than when they were first bought. I say better because I have received several games still in shrinkwrap, but suffering from crushed box or something like that. I don't modify them for personal preference or anything like that, just to the original sheen. Plus I work on machines with monitors calibrated for color and brightness levels, so I never have the "too dark" or "too light" issues.

I would even like to "remaster" some of the existing images in the database after I take care of more pressing issues of data entry.

[RCK]

Don't know, the work times have also a charm for me :)

[Djay]

not sure its a good thing or bad thing.... but your work is very impressive

[CodyJarrett]

That's great!

I didn't think about doing this for all my scans...

[Dastardly]

Personally Id like to see them as they are, untouched. :)

[Djay]

maybe... if there was a notice on the front page of HOL requesting better quality boxes, for scanning.. instead of messing (!) with the original...

and... how about having thumbnails to the scanned image (as they are pretty big pics)

[Twistin'Ghost]

Originally posted by Dastardly
Personally Id like to see them as they are, untouched. :)
Is there any advantage to this? The idea is to display the original artwork for the release from the box, not to preserve the condition of a worn box. I'm all for preservation, but not of wear and tear. It would be the equal to preserving read/write errors from disks just because that's the way they were dumped.

[Dastardly]

Originally posted by Dastardly
Personally
Theres no particular advantage to this no. I tend to agree with Djay, scan the best possible condition box available. Theres just something I dont like about it. Just my opinion.

[oldpx]

I voted yes though I'm still not sure. Antiriad may successfully fix an image but can anyone else?

[Konrad]

I Agree with Twist.
It's not that you remove details but add the missing ones.

I understand the point preserving the original, but take it this way:
you have a bad scanner and the red areas of the picture appear orange. You would adjust the color balance, brightness and contrast to match the original, won't you ? Or the picture is blurrish, so you sharpen it a bit. That's manipulating to preserve the original look of the box.

So when we're already at it (color adjustment, sharpening,...) why not remove the scratches to make it match the original?

[Djay]

i did buy a super condition Wing Commander, because my original box was knackered... i suppose the art world goes through this problem all the time:D

[Twistin'Ghost]

Originally posted by Burseg
I voted yes though I'm still not sure. Antiriad may successfully fix an image but can anyone else?
If you know your way around Photoshop (or whatever), yes. I can give you all the before and after shots you need; just say the word.

[blackcornflake]

I concur with the pro-image treatment lobby, and I also treat scans if the original subject has been damaged, particularly if in some significant way.

Twist makes an excellent parallel between box condition and disk condition. Some characteristics of a box (like creases or dents), although authentic, would be best cleaned up. The crux of the matter for me is that the images created by scanning and subsequently displayed in HOL are just that - digital images, 1s and 0s. Not the actual boxes. Even a perfect scan with no treatment is not actually the real thing, so tweaking the digital image isn't really making it any more or less 'authentic'. The same concept was more eloquently put by the surrealist René Magritte in 1929, with the inscription below his painting of a pipe: "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" (This is not a pipe).

[fiath]

This is a bloody good poll!!

If you have not already done so, please vote on it!

At C.A.P.S., we are facing exactly the same dilema. We strive for perfection (hehe, C.A.P.S. are Borg) and preservation, but does that mean we do it or not? Our scans are all 300dpi and currently if a box is in bad condition - we find another.

Of course, there are other factors. How much time does it take to do? I don't have Photoshop, but even if I did, I don't think I would know how to do it... Just another thing added to the long process that needs to be done when releasing a game... Guess how much time we have left to decide! (not much)

Isn't there a risk adding (or removing) detail not present on the box? Certainly that re-done image looks very good... But...

Nothing is ever simple!

[NytroX86]

I reckon boxes should be touched up, but only if done by someone 'qualified'. Antiriad's example looks great, but obviously it takes time and when your dealing with a huge database like HOL it would take dedication. Still if its like your job Twistin' your more obviously 'qualified' so yer welcome to re-master any of the scans I upload.

[Twistin'Ghost]

Originally posted by NytroX86
I reckon boxes should be touched up, but only if done by someone 'qualified'. Antiriad's example looks great, but obviously it takes time and when your dealing with a huge database like HOL it would take dedication. Still if its like your job Twistin' your more obviously 'qualified' so yer welcome to re-master any of the scans I upload.
That's a real good point and one I was gonna make following Burseg's comment, but I forgot. It should definitely be done by qualified image manipulation people. I have been doing this sort of thing for a long time, going back to my days of working on a TV news pre-production staff (which is where I had to trade in my Amiga skills for Photoshop). Clearly Antiriad knows his stuff, as well. Very often at work now, I keep before and after pics because some of the restorations I do (like on obit mugs) are remarkable. I often get solicited by people to do restoration work on their old photos and such, which I have to turn down simply because there is no time in my life. Removing lint, debris and markings from a boxscan doesn't change the original appearance and I never attempt to correct the original artist or designer's vision. Likewise, if restoring a portrait I never remove scars or other physical features. Although I have (upon request) removed everything from acne to mustaches to hair color, etc.

[Akira]

I would do teh retouch as well, I've done it before. But the scans I uploaded yesterday are absolutely untouched. I just don't have enough time to fix up every box! Wish I could though.

[Konrad]

Well, touching up a scan is not as difficult as it seems. But If you want to do a good job, then you're right, it takes some time. I work on every scan I do and I do a lot of scanning, even though just for fun.

[Mr Softy]

If the box scanning team is ok with the extra work, I think it's nice to retouch.
But it's only an opinion.

BTW I'd give my life to get my hands on the free Fire & Ice poster I lost long, long ago! :crying

[fiath]

Originally posted by Akira
I would do teh retouch as well, I've done it before. But the scans I uploaded yesterday are absolutely untouched. I just don't have enough time to fix up every box! Wish I could though.

That is okay for us btw, either we completely do it or we don't.

[Akira]

I have the boxscans ready for CAPSification Fiath. I suppose you read the mail already :)

[fiath]

Yup, great stuff!

However, the FTP details are at home... So I will have to send you them tonight / tomorow morning.

Thanks!

[bippym]

I believe they should look as close to original "sale" copy as possible.. why?!?!? well why show a duffed up old knackered box.. it looks cheap and amateurish!!

I'm not saying fix a knackered box, but scan a perfect box, and if one isn't available then somebody with some proper talent in this area could touch them up!

@Antiriad

That looks really good.. I need to learn some of this shit... no really!!

[Antiriad]

Well suffice to say, i now feel enough moral support to carry on.

Im nearing the end of my scans as my collection isnt the largest, but id happily love to "restore" (rather than "airbrush" which sounds rather Stalinesque) other peoples scans if they so request.

Oh, and Mr Softy? My copy of Fire & Ice still has that poster!

I could try to scan it in if ya want! Bit big tho...

[Djay]

i have recently found... some c64 box scans that have been touched-up (urghhhh)... the colours look all wrong... i'd have to say as long as the engineered picture remains 100% faithfull... i ain't got a problem

[Akira]

Originally posted by Djay
i have recently found... some c64 box scans that have been touched-up (urghhhh)... the colours look all wrong...
Probably "retouched" by some twat. No clue why colours should go wrong unless you are a complete dipshit!

[Twistin'Ghost]

Originally posted by Akira
Probably "retouched" by some twat. No clue why colours should go wrong unless you are a complete dipshit!
The most common problem is improperly calibrated monitors. I find that most people have their monitors set either too bright or too dark (mostly too dark, resulting in bright, washed-out scans). Another caveat of too dark monitors is the person will not see the black levels properly. They will touch up spots on the black, unaware that on a brighter monitor, the touched-up areas are blatant and obvious. Calibrating monitors is a rather pricey commodity, however.

In Photoshop, one can check the black levels of a pic just by moving the mouse over an image and checking the color values.

[Galaxy]

I reckon touch them up, but only if you know what you're doing!
(If you have Photoshop the cloning stamp is your friend...)

The best touch ups are the ones you don't notice.

[oldpx]

2 year old thread :)
I prefer healing brush :)