Will we see UAE on the PS3? [Archive]

seuden

11 January 2011, 23:32

Possibly, but im guessing E-UAE compatability would be much higher than making one for the PS3, in the long-run it'd probably work out better, but the main reason behind homebrew on the PS3 is Linux, thats why they hacked it in the first place, so most likely Linux will get all the attention when it comes out.
I think you're wrong there my friend. There is already a bunch of "signed" homebrew including Snes and Megadrive emulators. It's not going to be long before someone compiles UAE for the PS3.

Let's also be honest while some people want Linux on their PS3 the main reason there's so much interest is because of pirating. :D

Dreedo

11 January 2011, 23:50

Let's also be honest while some people want Linux on their PS3 the main reason there's so much interest is because of pirating.

While this is true the Ps3 is hardly an ideal system for this.

As it uses Blu-ray, its games are exceptionally large, a standard internet connection using a torrent would take several days to download a blu-ray image, then you would have to have a USB device large enough to store a 25/50GB blu-ray image. I'm guessing most people couldn't be arsed with that.

True, but i just want Linux back. :P

Retro-Nerd

11 January 2011, 23:57

USB Device? There will be an ISO-Loader, which works from the internal HD. That's for sure.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 00:00

Mmmm yeah but then you have to plug your HDD into your PC, and then unplug it and plug it into your PS3 for every image file you transfer, plus it'll need to be at least 250GB+ to be worth using.

Anyway i'd never use it for pirating, so i'll always come up with some reason why it's impractical. :P

seuden

12 January 2011, 00:57

The games can and will be able to be stored and played from the internal and an external HDD. Call of Duty: Black Ops for eg. is around 14GB. Using usenet/private torrents you could have that overnight. You don't need to plug the HDD into your PC they can be transferred using a USB HDD or even using your home network.

I have over 20 games for my PS3 of which could be backed up to it then at a push of a button on my controller I could swap between games without getting off my sofa. It's similar to having a load of WHDLoad installs on your Amiga.

Hungry Horace

12 January 2011, 08:21

Some things.. I run my backups from external hd (1tb). I have ripped around 6 games, the largest was 20gb and the average size is nearer 12gb.

I don't think that makes it very hard to download and run pirated games.

Zetr0

12 January 2011, 09:09

I have a 250G Slim and its very tempting for some homebrew indeed!

I have no need to blag PS3 games, since I get most of mine on the cheap from Game or Cash Converters (last purchase was Brutal Legends for £4.99 - sweet sweet game) !

Although there are a couple of (older) PS3 titles that dont support a Hard Disk install, and I want to preserve my BluRay laser =)

So when will I get mine sorted? well to be honest, probably when some smart plug gives me PS1/PS2 emulator that will run ISO's from the drive (or preferably network) then I can be very chuffed indeed - and promptly look at getting a the largest 2.5" Harddisk I can find or yet another 2TB HD for the network!

I would like to have a little play with *nix distro on it, as well as DosBox/C64/Specky/SNES/Megadrive/32x/MegaCD/MAME/NeoGeo/CPS1/CSP2/GBA/N64 to name a few...

be absolutely great if there was a GameCube emulator released for it - and dare I say XBMC ? renamed to PSMC =D))

small things....

Vairn

12 January 2011, 11:05

I'll let you know tomorrow, once my friend with a PS3 gets back to me with some info.

deicidal

12 January 2011, 11:38

Well I am running my PS3 with a 500GB HDD in it, I think anyone with children will appreciate the ability to back the games up, plus its more convienant than swapping disks and less wear and tear on the BR drive. Personally on those little picture of do's and dont's for optimal perfomance they have a picture of a child rubbing there dirty mits accross the disk with a cross through it.

But I am looking forward to emulator capabilities of the PS3 now its been pretty much completely hacked, think it could well end up been the new xbox for emulation but I think we are bit off that yet until the hombrew devs start to really get into the capabilities of the console.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 14:37

Unfortunately even if you own the game backups are still illegal, as your making copies of the disk. Not that Sony will ever know that. :P I certainly dont see anything wrong in it if you already own the game. If my disk broke i would be glad of a copy, luckily blu-ray disks are stronger than DVD's it seems.

UPDATE: Seems that Sony have filed a restraining order against Geohot and Failoverflow asking them to remove the firmware and key from the internet.

UPDATE#2: It appears that in the terms and conditions, Sony have the right to disable your console if they feel the need. So far no consoles have been affected, but its expected that Sony will ban consoles running CFW and possibly stop them from booting up anymore. Removing an internet connection from your PS3 will solve this, but if you have CFW on your PS3 and its connected to the internet, when you boot up, it will tell Sony that you are running a hacked console.

seuden

12 January 2011, 14:51

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 14:57

TCD

12 January 2011, 15:01

UPDATE: Seems that Sony have filed a restraining order against Geohot and Failoverflow asking them to remove the firmware and key from the internet.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/sony-mib-team-moving-fast-lawsuits-filed-against-mr-george-hotz-fail0verflow-just-added-more-new-court-files-75467/
Courtesy of Duke on IRC.

seuden

12 January 2011, 15:08

Clearly Sony saying they were working on Firmware updates to fix the security was a load of rubbish, or they wouldn't have gone to court. But most likely this will be a big blow to the homebrew scene, im guessing the court will rule in Sony's favour given what the hackers have actually done. Also the fact that they can basically destroy your console will scare a lot of people away.
Lol, I think you need to do some more research before you post. :D

This will not be a big blow to the homebrew scene trust me, the Xbox 1 is still going strong despite being a very much inferior machine.

Sony will not necessarily get the courts to rule in their favour, the "hackers" haven't actually done much wrong. We'll see tho. :D

Also the fact that they can basically destroy your console will scare a lot of people away.
Who can destroy your console?

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 15:13

Sony can stop your console from booting up if they detect you've hacked it, it says in the PS3's T&C's.

As i've said before, you don't actually own the console AFAIK, all games consoles are still the property of the manufacturer, and they can do with them as they please.

I dont see how the XBOX 1 is related, MS didn't really try to stop them did they?

Appears that Failoverflow have already complyed anyway, they have removed the PS3 development tools from their site.

seuden

12 January 2011, 15:24

Sony can stop your console from booting up if they detect you've hacked it, it says in the PS3's T&C's.
No they can't, prove it.

As i've said before, you don't actually own the console AFAIK, all games consoles are still the property of the manufacturer, and they can do with them as they please.
It's not the property of the manufacturer, it's the property of the End-User.

I dont see how the XBOX 1 is related, MS didn't really try to stop them did they?
You said and I quote "most likely this will be a big blow to the homebrew scene" and I said "This will not be a big blow to the homebrew scene trust me, the Xbox 1 is still going strong despite being a very much inferior machine.". What I mean by this is despite what happens in the future, there are millions of PS3's out in the wild which all have the capabilities of having homebrew on them, this is what will keep homebrew going. The xbox 1 is dead as far as MS is concerned but homebrew is still alive and kicking on the xbox 1 same as it will on the PS3.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 15:28

Sony has yet to ban any consoles for taking advantage of the jailbreak, but the terms and conditions of the PlayStation Network make it clear that Sony has the authority to carry them out. Thanks to the system’s constant self-reporting feature, “the company even has the means to irrevocably disable your console should it so wish,” rendering affected PS3 consoles unusable, online and off. But will Sony ever use such a drastic measure? And if so, how will the hacker scene retaliate?

They seem to think its possible. I wouldn't put it past Sony to do something like this, the PS1 and PS2 were the most widely hacked consoles. Only makes sense to take it up a step.

I'm guessing Sony will have the right to disable consoles if they can prove they are pirating games, Sony are probably under a lot of pressure from game developers to take action.

seuden

12 January 2011, 15:36

Terms and conditions mean shit when it comes to something you've physically bought. I can do what the heck I want with my PS3. I'd be stupid to access the PSN store if I hacked it, I'd then deserve for it to be disabled.

The PS3 has a HUGE amount of potential when it comes to homebrew, it's an awesome bit of kit for the price you pay. It makes sense to have two, one for homebrew (Media Centre, emulators etc etc) and one that's legit (if you're interested in playing online).

I'm guessing Sony will have the right to disable consoles if they can prove they are pirating games, Sony are probably under a lot of pressure from game developers to take action.
No! They have the right to take you to court and disable you from the PSN network if they suspect you are pirating games.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 15:39

Indeed, I'm just saying a lot of people will still want to have their PS3 online, even if you dont have a PSN account or ever access online gaming or the PS store, your console still reports to Sony, so you won't ever be able to have your console online, that is until the hackers come up with a way to get past it.

Mmmmm 2 PS3's is a little out of my price range, its stupidly priced as it is. :P

seuden

12 January 2011, 15:53

its stupidly priced as it is. :P
It's not really. You couldn't buy the components individually for less, I'm sure.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 15:55

Well then they should have used different components ;)

Thnik were going a bit off of UAE though.

seuden

12 January 2011, 16:18

Thnik were going a bit off of UAE though.
Agreed, so the answer to "Will we see UAE on the PS3? (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=728787#post728787)" for me is yes. ;)

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 16:24

oh i have no doubt there will be its just if theres many people around to use it lol

ouch geohot & failoverflow are being asked to pay Sony damages and attorney fees also. As well as an amount deemed appropriate by the court

deicidal

12 January 2011, 16:58

Should be interesting to see what happens personally i think it could either way. Then again Sony just serve people willy nilly the moment someone does something they like or not regardless of wether they have any proof. Look at when the first jailbreak usb stick got released they attacked the company for using there copyrighted code even though none of it was on the device they just went for it anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12171423

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 17:18

Mmmmm guess we just wait and see. Regardless of this there probably will be bannings from PSN :(

bippym

12 January 2011, 18:47

The hacking seems a bit complex to me lol.. I can't be arsed with it.

As for homebrew, of course it'll happen, they have already figured out how to launch some games without the need for a BM. They will also figure out how to fool the PSN into thinking you are using a legit machine.. It all takes a bit of time.. Unlike the 360 they have managed to completely open the PS3 now, and I reckon sales of the machine will rocket for a short period.

Expect the next PS3 model/revision to have this shut down somehow!

Zetr0

12 January 2011, 19:32

@Thread

Under UK copyright law, you are afforded the statutory right to backup you computer software media. However this statutory right is NOT afforded you the right to back up your Music or Movie media (funny that)

When you think a new titles cost is about £50 - that is a serious investment and by law you are entitled to protect that investment.

There are a lot of assumptions made with law and contracts that tout Terms and Conditions - a lot of people seem to believe that these T&C's are legally binding irrespective of what they say - Nothing could be further from the truth -

Contracts cannot by law demeanor or remove any of your statutory rights. Even if the terms and conditions say so - its illegal and in the worse case (with lots of consumers involved) a class action can be brought to company.

A point to mention was Micro$oft's culling of XBox 360's from XBox live - while they have the right to remove the service from you - they DO NOT have the right to brick your XBox - a fact over looked in the UK and since no one has taken M$ to court over this matter then they get away with.

PSN is a quite a bit of a different beast - and $ony's own track record of releasing damaging firmware is a problem in their own right lol. I dont think the infrastructure is there for them to be able to detect / deny and or effect a console (or computer) connected to their network. In truth I dont think $ony want to pay for it either.

seuden

12 January 2011, 19:39

I love you Zetr0.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 19:46

Well Sony won't give a damn about people pirating games, except their own of course. Sony's problem is that game developers will be put off developing games for their system if its easy to hack. If there was an unhackable console out there, that would be the one with the most games because game developers would know that they would maximize their profits. So Sony have to give a damn because the developers give a damn, and what the developers want, Sony has to deliver.

Thats why Wii games suck, because its the easiest console to hack and Nintendo don't give a damn about people hacking it. Well that's my theory. :P

bippym

12 January 2011, 19:55

Well I have created the custom firmware, I have a PS3 upstairs that potentially has a fuxxored NAND. I'll try it ;)

I am not gonna do mine though, I am more than happy with it being the way it is, and if I can get the other PS3 working it'll go in the kids room and be an offline only machine.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 19:57

lol prob wont touch mine, although i dont use PSN much, except for one game, i've switched to Xbox now for my online stuff, so i'm not sure what i'll do, hopefully a way will come out that lets me have CFW and online, then i'll switch. :)

deicidal

12 January 2011, 20:27

Thats why Wii games suck, because its the easiest console to hack and Nintendo don't give a damn about people hacking it. Well that's my theory. :P

Could also be that the wii (basically a rehashed gamecube) hardware is very inferior compared to the ps3 and 360.

As for the Piracy thing, it has been rampant on the 360 for sometime as the silly billys made it so the 360 cant touch the drives firmware.

seuden

12 January 2011, 20:37

Could also be that the wii (basically a rehashed gamecube) hardware is very inferior compared to the ps3 and 360.

Being on an Amiga forum I would have expected better than what you've stated above. It's not always horsepower that makes the best games. ;)

I gotta say that actually there are many many games on the Wii that are fun, you just have to sift through all the shit ones. Unfortunately because the Wii is easier to develop for and because the Wii is in more homes than the other two current generation consoles it's more attractive to release a game for by game developers.

deicidal

12 January 2011, 20:54

Being on an Amiga forum I would have expected better than what you've stated above. It's not always horsepower that makes the best games. ;)

A very good point, which i should have stated myself but some horse power is always good.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 21:31

Yeah a certain amount of Horsepower is needed, the Wii is decent enough, for a 6th gen console, but for a 7th gen it's far outclassed. I think the 360 and PS3 are actually a lot more powerful than anticipated.

Any news on how it went Bippy?

Ian

12 January 2011, 21:35

Wii is the least attractive console for devs as it is by far the easiest console to hack and nintendo cannot do a damn thing about it if you do it.

That is why all the devs cannot get enough of move and kinect, finally they might make some money back from that spent coming up with ideas for full motion control games.

At least with the PS3 and xbox there is the chance you will get your console bricked if you try which means that very few will actually bother whereas with the wii everyone that knows about it will have done it without a care in the world.

As for the Wii having good games, 95% of them are made by Nintendo, there are very few games made by third parties that don't suck.

Dreedo

12 January 2011, 21:38

Yeah i mean when Nintendo send a mail informing you of a system update they actually say 'If you have modified your system in any manner, please do not update, as it may cause damage to your system', or something along those lines. They even try to protect those who hack it. :P

bippym

12 January 2011, 22:09

Didn't work. Ps3 is still dead

Dreedo

13 January 2011, 00:55

Ah damn shame.

Well the hackers seem confident that Sony will lose in court, so hopefully all goes well, that should mean all Sony could do to anyone is ban them from PSN. Which will no doubt be worked around.

The activity of the PS3 homebrew scene is quite amazing, considering how closed up it is.

Theres already a C64, a Vic-20, a SNES and a Genesis emulator. I believe there was also a PS1 emu a while back too.

bippym

13 January 2011, 01:10

I m not too bothered. Was kinda hoping the rsod could be fixed, but alas it is not to be. Guess i'll eBay it

Vairn

13 January 2011, 02:29

Had a look at the Homebrew SDK, it will be simple as to port my emulator over.
I Just need a Linux install, to develop it on.
I don't have a PS3 though :(

Dreedo

13 January 2011, 11:14

Mmmm Hermes and Failoverflow just released the latest GIT package for the PS3 development tools (despite taking them offline when they were initially sued), said they were trying to get them out onto the internet before they become potentially illegal.

Ian

13 January 2011, 20:52

I think the hackers actually know they are fubar'ed actually.

But it matters not, the stuff is out there now.

Sony will just brick every console, which apparently they can do without people being online so the hackers next challenge will be finding the part of images that sends the "Break yo'selve mofo" message.

deicidal

13 January 2011, 21:27

Am really not sure if they are, i still reckon it could go either way. I had a very quick glance through the sony evidence before and it seems dodgy to say the least.

bippym

13 January 2011, 21:34

I really don't see how Sony can legally brick a console, come on they cost well over £200 and if I didn't OWN it then it is rented/leased and should be covered under an unlimited warranty of sorts.

Consumer Rights and all that jiz

deicidal

13 January 2011, 21:43

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there is something built into the ps3 as when they experimented with mod chips it sent the console to hell, also that the 360 has one as well (not including the RROD) but has never been used. Of course this could be all bullshit. And like you say bippym i am sure the legal consequences of pulling a move like that would not be good

bippym

13 January 2011, 21:46

Well if it is true my other PS3 has suffered this bullshit fate, and while updating to firmware 3.41 :(

RSOD it is, though a repair shop reckons it is another side-effect of the YLOD. I fixed that myself, but don't know if it is worth the effort!!!

I paid £300 for each PS3, so I expect the, to work for a longer period than 18months...

deicidal

13 January 2011, 22:21

Well I have gone through 3 360's which is a chuffing dirsgrace for quality, if microsoft think i am going to by another they can shove it up there shoddy goods hole

Dreedo

13 January 2011, 22:33

Well if your xbox had been bought within the past 3 years you could have just got it repaired for free under warranty, if it was an RROD.

Really 360 reliability is far superior to PS3, taking into account that MS actually deal with their problems and are cheaper anyway. Both of my friends have had their blu-ray drives break on their PS3's and guess what, £80 quotes from Sony to fix. And thats a disgrace.

Vairn

13 January 2011, 23:16

ok, My code compiles on the PS3 SDK, I just need to implement the Video Renderer, and controller emulation.

Zetr0

14 January 2011, 01:15

Sales of Goods Act 1979 -

Goods must be of satisfactory quality - This covers, for example, the appearance and finish of goods, their safety and durability. Goods must be free from defects, usually even minor ones, except when they have been brought to your attention by the seller. For example, if the goods are said to be shop soiled or you examined the goods and should have noticed the defects;

In the United Kingdom, you have up to 6 YEARS (5 years in Scotland) to complain, if a product is proven not fit for purpose, spending the better part of £300 for it to be worthless within 18 months would legally considered unfit for purpose.

Your point of contact is ALWAYS where you bought the item (not the manufacture) irrespective if you are told otherwise -

@bipps

You should contact the retailer where you bought the product, they are legally bound to provide a replacement, offer for it to be repaired (at no cost to you) or offer you a refund (although this maybe partial pending its age).

of course if you have opened the machine they may argue the case against it, however stand your ground and demand that solve this problems as the goods are of unsatisfactory quality.

I beg everyone to take some time and read the rights that are afforded you - that most stores pretend DON'T exist.

have a read here for more info (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/consumer-rights-refunds-exchange) - remember the knowledge you have the better armed you are.

Dreedo

14 January 2011, 01:31

The hearing will take place 9AM on Friday, unsure if its American time or GMT, but its taking place in San Fransisco, so most likely won't take place til later on in the UK day. Unsure if theres anymore hearings to be done, this one is only said to cover the codes removal from the internet and Geohots surrendering of all his storage devices that contain any software to hack a PS3, including HDD's, USB devices, CD's/DVD's and the like. I imagine that if the hearing goes to Sony's favour that it will also include Geohot paying expenses to Sony.

And probably if its deemed illegal for homebrew to be present on PS3's, Sony will most likely have the right to brick your PS3. Seeing as its against the law and all.

bippym

14 January 2011, 09:56

@Zetr0,

I no longer have the receipt (Lost when I moved home), so doubt I have much of a leg to stand on.. I am not that bothered tbh.. I'll keep trying to install the firmware, it fails at 41% so I know either the HD needs a complete reformat (Zeroed) or the nand is indeed corrupt.. Hopefully someone will hack the firmware to allow the recovery to completely format the nand and install the update after... This is all Sony would do (yet charge £100)....

deicidal

14 January 2011, 10:56

Well I do partly blame myself for the 360 hell I have suffered, 1st one was off ebay so not much comeback there, 2nd was from block buster so got a refund on that one, 3rd was got from a pawnshop with a faulty dvd drive for bugger fixed that and got the longest out of it for all of them. If you buy a 2nd hand 360 make sure you get it from a retailer so you have some comeback.

ole00

02 February 2011, 01:08

try this one from here: http://www.volny.cz/molej/ps3/index.htm

Galahad/FLT

02 February 2011, 10:26

At the moment the answer is a resounding NO, in fact the only likelihood of it happening is if Sony voluntarily reinstate OTHER OS to allow Linux back on.

Whilst its true that the PS3 has been hacked, in actual fact only update 3.55 has been hacked.

Update 3.56 has been partially hacked, but the hackers are actually having problems at the moment getting a Custom Firmware to work 100% properly with it, and just before they accomplish it, Sony will then come out with another firmware update, which will totally undermine the work done to get a CFW working with 3.56.

There is also the point that anyone that has already installed 3.56 on their PS3 will NOT be able to downgrade to another firmware anymore as Sony have removed the Recovery option to restore down to a previous firmware.

Any newly sold PS3's have the new 3.56 update installed which means they can't be hacked down anymore.

So at the moment, the amount of capable PS3's that can be downgraded is shrinking all the time.

The DNS bypass will be fixed any day soon, and with Geohot (eGohot!) not able to do anything for fear of being arrested for breaking a court order, the PS3 inspite of some claims is actually a little more secure than people would like to admit.

seuden

02 February 2011, 10:32

At the moment the answer is a resounding NO, in fact the only likelihood of it happening is if Sony voluntarily reinstate OTHER OS to allow Linux back on.

There is one already?

Whilst its true that the PS3 has been hacked, in actual fact only update 3.55 has been hacked.

All firmwares up to 3.55 have been "hacked".

Galahad/FLT

02 February 2011, 10:40

Am really not sure if they are, i still reckon it could go either way. I had a very quick glance through the sony evidence before and it seems dodgy to say the least.

How can you say that? The judge has already sided with Sony saying that George Hotz has broken the DMCA law.

This is the same judge that ruled in the Iphone jailbreak case and found George not guilty, shes not so keen to do that this time.

Part of the DMCA components are "is the hack likely to encourage and make piracy possible" and with Georges hack, that is entirely the point.

He claimed he doesn't support piracy and put in measures to prevent his work being used for such a thing, which is clearly crap.

Fail0verflow created the first hack, and restored OTHER OS to useable functionality and then STOPPED short of going any further, because they realised the ramifications of going further. At that point other than OTHER OS being restored, piracy was still not possible.

Along comes eGohot to 'save the day' by publishing the metldr key and creating the tools to be able to sign files for use on the PS3.... er, that was the point piracy became possible on the PS3 and George Hotz lost any legitimacy at "fighting for gamers rights"...... which he's fucked up royally, as all these cheating fucks can now ruin online gameplay.... and they have.

So I wonder which gamers rights he was fighting for, because it sure as fuck wasn't the MILLIONS of people that paid for their games and can no longer play online anymore for fear of having their stats and progress hacked to zero, or simply not be able to play a fair game anymore.

At the moment, its not looking too bright for Hotz, he didn't even have the brainpower to secure a defence other than "this court doesn't have the jurisdiction to hear this case" only for Judge Illston to rule the court did as his actions directly affected Sony in California, and George published his findings on Youtube and Twitter.... both based in California!

So i'd say Sonys case is incredibly strong.

I don't think they'll get very far with prosecuting Fail0verflow as they had actually stopped short of enabling piracy, but George was stupid enough to go that step further, and seemingly bask in the glory of it all and now he's paying the price for his arrogance.

There is one already?

All firmwares up to 3.55 have been "hacked".

Thats lovely, but earlier firmwares have lots of features missing, hence why most of the major CFW installs are based around 3.55.

And currently there is no 100% working CFW working with 3.56, and even when they do achieve it, Sony will simply update to a new firmware which then makes 3.56 CFW redundant overnight.

I truely believe that the hackers totally underestimated Sony on this one.

Also, i'm certain theres more to update 3.56 than it appears

seuden

02 February 2011, 10:45

The question was "Will we see UAE on the PS3?" and the answer is yes, there is one already.

Thats lovely, but earlier firmwares have lots of features missing, hence why most of the major CFW installs are based around 3.55.

Earlier firmwares also have features included that have been removed from later firmwares. ;)

And currently there is no 100% working CFW working with 3.56, and even when they do achieve it, Sony will simply update to a new firmware which then makes 3.56 CFW redundant overnight.
And? There will always be a cat and mouse situation.

I truely believe that the hackers totally underestimated Sony on this one.

Probably, but it would also be stupid of Sony to underestimate the hackers.

Also, i'm certain theres more to update 3.56 than it appears
Like a rootkit. ;)

deicidal

02 February 2011, 10:57

@Galahad

I could say that as it was before the ruling, I also said ealier that i reconned it go either way as well.

But yeh I agree Geohot took the hardwork of others one stage further and royally stuck his dick in the hornets nest.

I still stand by and think Sony's evidence is a bit shody but then again its Sony.

@Seuden

I also heard that they had thrown a rootkit in as well, that will prove to be interesting if they have considering the problems they had last time

Lernatix

05 February 2011, 23:34

try this one from here: http://www.volny.cz/molej/ps3/index.htm

Back on topic...:agree

Can confirm this working perfectly on KmeawCFW3.55.

:bowdown:bowdown:bowdown

MickJT

07 February 2011, 17:24

Sorry for the cross-posting. I was meant to post the message in this thread (one you're reading now) instead.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=735065&postcount=11

source

08 February 2011, 00:53

I just don't know why sony would care for an amiga emulator to work on the ps3. It is not likely to be any credible threat to their profits. I think the whole idea of protecting the profits at the expense of the end user is borderline criminal. In Canada it was lawful to backup any thing you purchased ie game movie, music etc. someone can correct me, but I think it is leagal to down load music for free as long as you copy it over to a cd. blank cds are taxed for the purpose to pay the big guys a share even if you are using the disk just to back up persnal files on your computer

Dreedo

08 February 2011, 11:04

In Canada and possibly the US it might be legal, but generally i think its illegal to create 'copies' of your game, regardless if you own them or not. I heavily doubt its legal to download pirated music and then burn it to a CD and everythings okie dokey.

Sony have the right to ban us from PSN for any reason, whether what we're doing is lawful or not, they can ban us, if they don't like it.

Personally hacking the PS3 meant Linux/Homebrew, as it does for many people, i dont give a damn about pirating PS3 games. Don't even want any. You appreciate games a lot more if you buy them rather than download them.

source

08 February 2011, 15:24

I am not big on the whole down load thing either. In canada they were even considering a tax on ipods and other mp3 players again to help finance the big companies for their losses with the download scene. making it legal for downloading songs. As for sony I was always a big fan of their products. I have 2 dvd players 1 52 inch lcd 1 53 inch rear projection (10 years old) 5.1 stereo and various walkmans cd mans etc. not to mention ps1, 2 and 3. I did buy a Sony dvd palyer once that would not play cdr discs. It was returned. As for the PS3 quality of the hardware is in question. My first ps3 died just after the warrenty. I had it replaced. I did have linux installed and all I did with it was play Amiga over my TV screen. they took that away back with 3.22. Now the slims do not play older games. The PS3 only does everything except for what it use to. I think that even if they would allow download from the PSN or the sony store some of these apps like the android, the console market would expand.

Bigby

11 February 2011, 22:48

Sorry for the cross-posting. I was meant to post the message in this thread (one you're reading now) instead.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=735065&postcount=11

Any update on this, MickJT?

:)

MickJT

13 February 2011, 14:08

Still working on it. There's been changes to sound and prefs since 0.8.25. Easiest way to build it was to get SDL for psl1ght but it exits back to the XMB without showing anything.

I'll try adopting the current ps3 euae source to the 0.8.29 source but it's harder than I thought.

For what it's worth, compiling the source as is and running it works fine, so I know my compiling environment is OK.

MickJT

15 February 2011, 18:17

Progress update.

For those who don't know; I don't know C/C++, just AREXX. So being able to get up to this stage is a minor miracle. Fortunately I think I have pretty good intuition in problem solving and fitting pieces together (even without understanding it).

Comparing the differences in the original 0.8.25-20040302 (which the current PS3 port is based on) and 0.8.29-20070726 (which is the snapshot i'm using), I took hours just going through the code understanding the changes. Not actually understanding the code itself, but just how it differs. Like pattern spotting!

I've managed to merge in the PS3 specific code Ole wrote (i'm assuming), and modify it to work with 0.8.29.

Currently there's no sound, the colours are wrong (I think I know why), no HDD leds, but it does work.

So, now that i've got this far I hope I can continue further and get something in a releasable state. Unless someone who knows what they're doing can take over.

seuden

15 February 2011, 20:40

This is great news MickJT, does this mean you'll be able to implement HD support? :D

MickJT

16 February 2011, 05:36

I don't think i'll be able to do that. That'll be the last thing I look at. I assume you mean .hdf support? Even Picasso96 support is disabled (SDL is needed for that).

When I said "HDD LEDs" I meant the LEDs in general.

SCSI support will definitely not be enabled. That requires specific code for each OS. That means no CD32.

Savestates should work though.

Edit: Colours fixed. Sound working. Still no LEDs. Not ready for release, but will send to any regular members on here if they PM me. New members, I don't trust you not to release ;-)
Edit2: I believe I can add a load/save savestate to the virtual keyboard without too much fuss. If the L3/R3 buttons aren't being used, i'll see if I can utilise them instead.

seuden

16 February 2011, 09:43

Yeah I meant .hdf support. :D

PM on it's way. ;)

Lernatix

16 February 2011, 12:41

PM sent, happy to be an alpha tester. :)

Dreedo

16 February 2011, 13:07

Anyone else have problems with the onscreen keyboard? Doesn't work all that well for me, and on Elite 2 the Enter key won't accelerate the ship. So i have to reverse everywhere. :P

I'll send a PM. :)

MickJT

16 February 2011, 15:36

Dreedo, on my port, the Enter option doesn't seem to do a thing. Anyway, I think I know why the LEDs aren't working... I think they actually are working, but overscan is getting in the way. I did some more comparisons and it looks like overscan has been compensated for in Ole's 0.8.25 build.

Made a new build. About to test it.

Edit: Confirmed.

Thanks to Ole for the port of 0.8.25.

(18th Feb) New build. Clean up of source. Source released.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zi6l0f
Not patched to work on NTSC systems.. can be done later.

Dreedo

16 February 2011, 15:44

I'm having some trouble with the one you gave me, it doesn't read any ADF's i give it, it just returns to the kickstart screen. Tried Lotus 3, Cannon Fodder 2 and another game i've forgotten.

The Enter button doesn't work on any port it seems. It works in the CLI, but in-games it doesn't seem to work well.

MickJT

16 February 2011, 16:22

Do you have a PAL console or NTSC console? I know you're in the UK but sometimes people import. Are you able to go on IRC? Join the amigaworld chat. I think there's a web java applet for it.

Dreedo

16 February 2011, 16:25

I'm on a PAL console, 250gb Slim, Kmeaw 3.55 CFW. If i insert a floppy on startup, it'll stick on a white screen, like it does when reading a floppy, if i insert after the purple kickstart is shown, it'll just return back to the kickstart, like it does with floppies that haven't got a bootblock in it. Or whatever it's called.

MickJT

16 February 2011, 16:46

It will only read from the rightmost USB port. This one won't read a config from the HDD. I can change that later.

New build. Get link from the post above. This one will read /dev_hdd0/game/EUAE00829/USRDIR/UAE.CFG if uae.cfg doesn't exist on the USB. That way it's the same as the 0.8.25 version. Keep in mind the path is different (00829, not 00825).

Edit: Don't change the joystick options in the menu while playing.. has issues. Looking into it. 2 player games not working.
Edit2: I believe i've somewhat fixed it. Requires pressing start and setting 2 joystick mode.

Dreedo

16 February 2011, 17:17

So i just boot it up and edit the folder name on the Ps3HDD?

EDIT: I messed something up, so i'll wipe all EUAE's from my HDD and re-do everything.

Mequa

16 February 2011, 22:06

Let me tell you a bit about Amiga emulation on the PS3.

I successfully got E-UAE working on PowerPC Ubuntu which I installed on my brother's PS3 before the "OtherOS" feature was removed (he didn't want it anyway, he also has a PC).

The PlayStation 3 features a Cell microprocessor which includes 8 cores. The primary core, the Power Processor Element (PPE), is backward compatible with standard PowerPC software such as Ubuntu and E-UAE. The Cell in the PS3 also includes 7 Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs), one of which is reserved to run Sony's PS3 OS. The PS3 also includes a powerful nVidia-based graphics processing unit (GPU).

When you run an OS such as Linux under the (now removed) OtherOS feature, a "hypervisor" would completely block access to the GPU. Also, while apps running under OtherOS potentially have access to six of the PS3's SPE's in addition to the primary PPE, these are not used by E-UAE. In fact, UAE is designed to only operate on one core. So, when running E-UAE under Linux on a PS3, the GPU is idle (only using basic graphics features), the six available SPE's are idle, and in fact, the 3.2GHz PPE is quite in excess of what is required to emulate a classic Amiga (even with no JIT on PPC).

In short, emulating an Amiga on a PS3 is like using a nuclear power station to crack a nut. It's hardly a threat to Sony's commercial games which use the entire hog at native performance. (Personally though, I'll stick to WinUAE on my netbook.)

Dreedo

16 February 2011, 22:45

Just to warn you guys, if your online and want to stay that way, you should remove CFW and all homebrew and install OFW. Sony have said anyone who is online and has CFW installed will be permanently banned from the PSN. Make sure you delete the homebrew and then update, formatting might be a better choice to wipe all homebrew, or you might still have a couple of files which could implicate you.

I'm in 2 minds at the moment, i've got loads of emulators and other cool programs I'd hate to lose, and i only use PSN for 1 game and occasional PSN game buys. Use XBL for all my online gaming.

By the way, if you get banned from PSN you will still be able to use the internet browser, so things like Iplayer and ITV Player and 4OD will still work from what I've read. Only the PS Store, Online Gaming and interaction with friends will be lost.

Reports so far dont indicate that anyone has been banned for CFW, some cases maybe related but are temporary bans and seem to be more for being a loser on the PSN. Sony only posted on their blog today warning users to remove CFW and update to 3.56 (newest firmware to date) to avoid being perma-banned.

Bigby

17 February 2011, 02:13

Thanks MickJT!

Agony now works as it should, before you couldn't kill the enemies (Sprite collision?)

Do you think you would be able to output to HD resolutions..720P and 1080P?

MickJT

17 February 2011, 15:59

Bigby, I remember trying to add line "tripling" or quadrupling and couldn't do it, back when I was using e-uae in OtherOS. There's no general scaling ability, and I don't know how to code one.

Output TO those resolutions, yes, but it'd be a really tiny window in the middle of the screen no doubt.... unless the PS3 automatically scales it? It would be interesting to try, actually.

MickJT

20 February 2011, 19:10

Check psx-scene for release #2 of 0.8.29. Savestates and dual-mouse.

gingerbeardman

21 February 2011, 02:42

Thanks for this, Mick.

My only request is to have the left analog stick work as the joystick ;)

MickJT

21 February 2011, 19:17

I think I might be able to do that. Be patient though :)

Dreedo

23 February 2011, 19:17

Have to be careful now, guy working on restoring linux to PS3 just got his house raided by police and they took all of his HDD's. Sony aren't playing games.

MickJT

26 February 2011, 04:49

e-uae-0.8.29-ps3_r4 (Binary) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/5zw6dv)
e-uae-0.8.29-ps3_r4 (Source) (http://www.sendspace.com/file/qiosry)

R4
- Save menu options
- Swap left/right analog stick function
- Auto detect PAL/NTSC resolution

One size fits all.

Arnie

26 February 2011, 10:14

Thanks, Really appreciate the work on this. :great

Ni72ous

26 February 2011, 15:46

@MickJT

Do you plan hardfile and usb keyboard/mouse in your builds?

Dreedo

26 February 2011, 17:02

Think i realized what i was doing wrong, will try again with latest version. :)

Tried it, managed to get the latest version working, settlers and lemmings both work well with the dual mouse support.

CHook/OTT

28 February 2011, 21:08

Can someone help me as to what i'm doing wrong with this, got all the other emu's working but UAE just keeps quitting back to XMB after my TV changes resolution a couple of times, tried different pkg files and configs with no luck.

PS3 screen settings has 576p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p checked so if I remove everything can I have a quick guide, pweeeeeese LOL.

60gb phat running geohot's 3.55.

My 3.56 shitty launch 60gb YLOD'd for the 4th time last night and I can't be arsed stripping it down again tonight to fix.

EDIT: Got a Kickstart screen :)

Dreedo

01 March 2011, 10:29

Yeah usually its caused by having kickstart in incorrect location. :)

EDIT: What we need now is a .MOD player on the PS3, so we can listen to amiga game soundtracks.

CHook/OTT

03 March 2011, 23:38

I "think" a hidden UAE.CFG file on my USB stick with incorrect paths in it was causing all the problems :banghead don't know how and when i managed to do that but when I went to delete the uae folder off my USB stick in the laptop is said remove hidden files also, after I did that and re-installed from scratch on the PS3 it worked first time off HDD :)

Good work too MickJT :great

We just need a decent MAME port now and happy days :agree

Can we reconfigure the controller and assign keys to buttons by editing the UAE.CFG like in the previous Linux/otherOS version?

Dreedo

04 March 2011, 11:26

Emulation on the Ps3 is quite good now, can fully play Amiga, SNES and GB/GBC/GBA games, also NES games and some others also work.

seuden

07 March 2011, 13:02

Hard Drive support has been added here http://www.volny.cz/molej/ps3/

Features:
- 68000, 68010, 68020, 68040, 68060 processor cores
- OCS, ECS and AGA chipset
- amiga hi-res (720x576) graphics resolution in 32bit depth
- joystick1, joystick2 (2nd joypad required) and mouse emulation
- options dialog (supports switching of the disk files and more)
- sound in 48000 kHz
- keyboard emulation
- support for loading zip and dms floppy images
- support hor harddisk files
- save-state saving and loading
- reads either /dev_usb000/uae/uae.cfg or /dev_hdd0/game/EUAE00829/USRDIR/UAE.CFG
configuration during startup!

Arnie

07 March 2011, 21:25

Thanks for the link seuden, i'll give it a try tomorrow.

CHook/OTT

07 March 2011, 22:06

I've just tried r6, doesn't install on GeoHot 3.55 :(

Arnie

08 March 2011, 11:26

Damn, not working for me either on kmeaw 355. Causes a system crash. :sad

seuden

08 March 2011, 11:59

You need to completely remove any existing versions. :D

See this (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f190/ps3-version-e-uae-amiga-emulator-79935/index37.html#post770188) thread for further info. :D

Arnie

08 March 2011, 12:07

You need to completely remove any existing versions. :D

See this (http://psx-scene.com/forums/f190/ps3-version-e-uae-amiga-emulator-79935/index37.html#post770188) thread for further info. :D

After it crashed I deleted it from the PS3, removed the UAE folder and copied the new archive to the PS3 (USB_HD). Added a kick.rom and used both the ECS and the AGA configs and it still crashes. The previous version I used was r3 and that still works ok . Also tried kick 1.3, 2.0 and 3.0, no change :confused

EDIT: Suddenly started to work, don't know why, but it works :)