EAB/Lemon Super League 2010: Round 14 - Fire & Ice

[Graham Humphrey]

EAB/Lemon Super League 2010: Round 14 - Fire & Ice (http://hol.abime.net/547)

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7231/fireandice03.png http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4541/fireandice04.png http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6541/fireandice05.png

Starts: 00:01 November 14
Finishes: 23:59 December 4

Rules

Post screenshots of your scores in this thread, and write your score underneath. You can enter as many times as you like within the round's time frame.

No cheating of any kind (including score leeching) - this includes save states. No continues/passwords allowed. If you suspect a contestant of cheating then don't post it in public (anyone who does so will have their posts edited or deleted) - please PM me, Biscuit or mihcael and we will investigate it. If we find anyone guilty of cheating then they will be banned for the entire season.

Please only post your score on either the EAB or Lemon forums. If you have already played this year you have to post your score on the same forum for the whole season. If you are new, the one you post on first will be your team for the whole season. However you are welcome to discuss the compo, game etc. on the other forum if you wish.

This is the last round of the season so make the most of it.

Remember, anyone can join in at any time. Have fun and feel free to ask any questions you may have.

Downloads

- Disk 1 (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=754&action=showrom&id=1068107), Disk 2 (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=754&action=showrom&id=1068109)
- WHDLoad-installed
(http://www.whdownload.com/games/Update-2009-05-28/Fire&Ice_v2.2_0502.zip)
Extras

- Full rules and FAQ (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=41652) (incorporating the Hall of Fame (http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=594507&postcount=5))
- Results and standings (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=50695)
- Lemon thread (http://www.lemonamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8380)

Final Scores - EAB, Lemon

1. rexsu - 1,126,075
2. Ze Emulatron - 919,200
3. john4p - 902,900
4. Anakirob - 543,740
5. mailman - 450,100
6. CU_AMiGA - 274,175
7. Masterblaster - 192,925
8. eMTe - 189,375
9. Predseda - 115,400
10. mipe - 110,800
11. Graham Humphrey - 108,200
12. Dreedo - 107,600
13. Retroplay - 98,800
14. Mowcno444 - 60,100
15. Jams - 49,150
16. LinesMachine - 26,500
17. Chuckles - 11,350

[Graham Humphrey]

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3221/firescore1.jpg

47,100

[Retroplay]

Are there any scoring differences between the normal and CD³² version ?

[Graham Humphrey]

I asked this some weeks back in preparation for this game cropping up and the differences between the two versions are purely cosmetic. I played the CD32 version myself.

[rexsu]

68,775

[Graham Humphrey]

There appears to be a pretty big problem with the linked ADFs in this thread - they crash during the underwater levels. So I would advise anybody using these to stop and try some others before it gets painful.

If anybody finds some working ones can you please post them here so we can get the links updated, thanks!

[Retroplay]

I do seem to remember it crashed at some point back in the day on my A500.

I have upped the Crack Inc. version to the zone, maybe that works ?

[Graham Humphrey]

Thanks, hopefully that will be okay for someone :)

[Retroplay]

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3782/dsc00008ss.jpg

98,800

Does anybody else find the controls a bit quirky at times in this game ?

[MethodGit]

Just a question - if say I decided to do this using the IPF original, would my score still count?

[Graham Humphrey]

Yep! You don't have to use the exact versions linked to here. As long as it's the same game you can use whatever version you want.

[rexsu]

Inc Crack version doesn't seem to work, after entering the code, I can't catch all the pieces of the key ?!
Now I use the whdload version and for the moment I haven't problems.

190,175

[Graham Humphrey]

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6365/firescore2.jpg

66,575

[Anakirob]

http://eab.abime.net/picture.php?albumid=259&pictureid=1543
543,740
I actually consider this to be a pretty poor performance for me, as my previous HS was over one million.

also (quoted from Predseda on the LA forum, but I'm not going to sign up there just to make one lame post)
I found several warps, but they only confuse me and I think it is better not to use them, at least in hunt for points playing.
This is not true, for example there's an additional 20-50k points to be had on the bonus level in the icy world, a couple of treasure chests in highland levels, and I could go on. Although I would agree that the warps which skip levels should be avoided, these only make up a very small number of all the warps available.

[Graham Humphrey]

I didn't even know there was a bonus level on the icy world :nervous

[john4p]

Does anybody else find the controls a bit quirky at times in this game ?
This game's title should have been "Fiddly and Annoying".


http://i55.tinypic.com/23h8z0z.jpg

50,175

[Anakirob]

I didn't even know there was a bonus level on the icy world :nervous

In level four, in the botom right hand corner of the map there is a power up block. Stand on top of it and jump straight up.

[Graham Humphrey]

Ah right, I'll have to check that out, thanks!

[Ze Emulatron]

In level four, in the botom right hand corner of the map there is a power up block. Stand on top of it and jump straight up.

Don't make the power block appear until after you have got all the parts of the key and killed the thing in front of the exit and taken the little coyote there to get the extra life. Avoid the falling snow when trying to kill the thing.

[john4p]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lj13s9.jpg

94,225

[Ze Emulatron]

543,740
I actually consider this to be a pretty poor performance for me, as my previous HS was over one million.

What level did you get up to and did you get all the secret levels up to where you got to ?
The furthest I have go so far is the first level of the temple.

[Graham Humphrey]

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/8084/firescore3.jpg

81,800

[Anakirob]

What level did you get up to and did you get all the secret levels up to where you got to ?
The furthest I have go so far is the first level of the temple.
The furthest I have gotten during this competition is also the first level of the fire temple. The furthest I have gotten ever is the third (last) level of the temple. Killed by the second boss-type guy.

Previously I would not have bothered entering every bonus section, but during this competition I use most of them.

I could not possibly use them all, as, for example. In underwater world level 3 there are two secrets to choose from, taking one makes the other unavalable.

I would recommend taking the one in the lower left-of the level, and from there take the exit warp at the upper-right (there are two exit-warps in that section too), which takes you back to the point where you entered, except all the bonuses and baddies have returned.

And judging by the game maps, there are a couple of similar situations in the temple also. Where there is two warps, and taking one makes the other unavailable.

Personally I find the underwater levels particularly tedious, an ordeal that has to be endured in order to get to the rest of the game. So I didn't go to the efort of clearing out that level before taking the warp.

The thing that I find makes the biggest difference to the score is collecting extra lives, or rescuing puppies when one has a full compliment of lives (nine). These are worth an extra 10,000 points each.

Also, don't be too picky when it comes to picking up special weapons, as those are worth 250 points each. Which is as many points as one gets for killing the average baddie.

[Ze Emulatron]

The furthest I have gotten during this competition is also the first level of the fire temple. The furthest I have gotten ever is the third (last) level of the temple. Killed by the second boss-type guy.


I had never made it passed the last underwater level before this competition started.


I would recommend taking the one in the lower left-of the level, and from there take the exit warp at the upper-right (there are two exit-warps in that section too), which takes you back to the point where you entered, except all the bonuses and baddies have returned.


That is the way I go I didn't know about the exit at the upper left in the secret level until about my fourth time, I accidentally jumped into it and it took me to the next level.


Personally I find the underwater levels particularly tedious, an ordeal that has to be endured in order to get to the rest of the game. So I didn't go to the effort of clearing out that level before taking the warp.


I always jump up into a stupid fish, stupid squid or fall down on a stupid crab and lose like 5-8 lives on that world


The thing that I find makes the biggest difference to the score is collecting extra lives, or rescuing puppies when one has a full compliment of lives (nine). These are worth an extra 10,000 points each.


I thought something like that happened. One time I had completed the same percentage of levels but was 100,000 below the score I had had previously as I sucked in the castle levels, I lost like 3 lives in a row by jumping into arrows. I will have to go slower in all the levels

[john4p]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2en6fww.jpg

170,275

Reading TFM sometimes really helps. ;)
Liking this game now. Challenging top-notch platformer.

[john4p]

http://i55.tinypic.com/fdbw2t.jpg

260,100

I assume to have reached the underwater world's boss - the fish in the wall, right?

[Castelian]

Hey guys, for some reason this game crashes for me once I finish the 1st stage of the underwater levels. In Winuaex (xbox) the screen goes black (but sound and controls still work). On the pc version, it gives an error message (software failure). I'm pretty new to this site and to winuae. Do I need to use the files in the WHDload package. If so, how do I use them? What config settings should I use? Is quickstart 3.0 ok?

Thanks in advance.

[john4p]

http://i54.tinypic.com/20qlav.jpg

452,425

Lost 5 lives to that fish, then died right at the beginning of the jungle.

Btw., no freeze for me (Pandora UAE4All). My version is cracked by Anthrax (Phil Douglas).

[CU_AMiGA]

wahoooo!!!! i am in the top 10! :D i got:

90525 :D

played on a real Amiga 4000 via killergorillas whd package!

[mailman]

26,050

[Graham Humphrey]

Good to see we're still attracting new blood...

[CU_AMiGA]

i am here to won the whole competition thingy! :D lol

[Graham Humphrey]

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8290/firescore4.jpg

108,200

[john4p]

http://i55.tinypic.com/faw7p.jpg

541,525

[Ze Emulatron]

I played with the trainer on last night for a test and in the last underwater level I believe you get a huge amount of points from the green and blue jewels if you have 9 lives.

[CU_AMiGA]

110800 :d

[john4p]

I played with the trainer on last night for a test and in the last underwater level I believe you get a huge amount of points from the green and blue jewels if you have 9 lives.
I think you're right. Could have scored a lot higher if I hadn't died so often in the underwater world. Those confusing warps everywhere didn't help either.

But please abstain from playing with trainer in the future - even for testing purposes. We agreed to not practice later parts of a game using trainer and/or savestates.
(Someone with a real Amiga and an original copy of the game would be at a severe disadvantage if it was allowed.)

[Ze Emulatron]

I think you're right. Could have scored a lot higher if I hadn't died so often in the underwater world. Those confusing warps everywhere didn't help either.

But please abstain from playing with trainer in the future - even for testing purposes. We agreed to not practice later parts of a game using trainer and/or savestates.
(Someone with a real Amiga and an original copy of the game would be at a severe disadvantage if it was allowed.)

I only played it up to the end of the last under water level to keep 9 lives. I wasn't sure if the reason I got such a high score was a glitch in the crack version I was using, Fire & Ice - The Daring Adventures of Cool Coyote (1992)(Renegade)[cr FSN][t +1 FSN](Disk 1 of 2).adf with Fire & Ice - The Daring Adventures of Cool Coyote (1992)(Renegade)[cr FSN][t M ATX](Disk 2 of 2).adf, because I didn't know where all the points came from. If I couldn't get the score with the trainer on I was going to ask to have that score removed and replaced with my next highest which was 553,700 66% to the first level of the temple.

The reason I am not using Fire & Ice - The Daring Adventures of Cool Coyote (1992)(Renegade)[cr FSN][t M ATX](Disk 1 of 2).adf with Fire & Ice - The Daring Adventures of Cool Coyote (1992)(Renegade)[cr FSN][t M ATX](Disk 2 of 2).adf is I didn't like all the options it gives you at the start and I didn't want to accidentally to enable any of the cheats to make the game easier.

But I do see how it is unfair on people using the original. Won't do it again.

[john4p]

I wasn't sure if the reason I got such a high score was a glitch in the crack version I was using,[...] because I didn't know where all the points came from.
I had doubts myself when I had 400k+ in the underwater world the first time. But then figured not dying must've been the reason.

But I do see how it is unfair on people using the original. Won't do it again.
No problem - the rules above don't clearly state that it's not allowed and practicing is not cheating.
In my first season I practiced a few games myself until we all agreed to not do it.

[mailman]

59,625

[mailman]

95,225

[mailman]

100,300

[mailman]

123,775

[john4p]

http://i53.tinypic.com/mipoy.jpg

902,900

Didn't lose a life in the underwater world and had 882k at its end (would have been higher if I hadn't jumped into a warp too soon).
Then quickly lost all my lives in the jungle.

[mailman]

Go John, Go!

[john4p]

Cheers, mailman! ;)

Sure many aren't aware of this gameplay mechanic (I didn't know until I've read the manual): leading puppies to the exit yields an extra life.

Do this and the game becomes a lot easier.

The maximum lives count is 9. When you have 9 lives every additional extra life and saved puppy is worth 10k. Also every emerald in the underwater world will be worth 10k (or is it 8k?) as long as you have 9 lives.

[mailman]

Yes, I know that. On some levels there is more than one puppy and there are also some hidden extra lives (bones) ;)

[mailman]

189,675

This is a really nice game!

[john4p]

Yes, I know that. On some levels there is more than one puppy and there are also some hidden extra lives (bones) ;)
Before reading the manual I thought there was only one puppy which was just your drone which - due to bad programming - wouldn't follow you around too well and thus would often get lost and later randomly reappear at certain locations...

[Ze Emulatron]

902,900

Didn't lose a life in the underwater world and had 882k at its end (would have been higher if I hadn't jumped into a warp too soon).
Then quickly lost all my lives in the jungle.

Excellent score. I have been trying to beat my score but I can't get through the first 2 worlds without losing lives, so I get a bit annoyed when I lose a life and then turn off my A500. Then about 5 minutes later I start it up again because i want to beat my score.

[CU_AMiGA]

184700 :d

[rexsu]

Good job John4p :)

251,350
I'm dead against the surprising boss of the jungle !
This game is excellent, far better than Globdule.

[john4p]

@Ze Emulatron: When I lose a life in the iceworld I just kill myself and restart without rebooting. Btw., I usually skip level 1-3 with the warp because it's quite annoying.

@rexsu: Haha - you got further than me. I just exploited the score-system better. ;)
Yeah, excellent game. Andrew Braybrook never disappoints.

[Anakirob]

@Ze Emulatron: When I lose a life in the iceworld I just kill myself and restart without rebooting.
Yeah, I do that too. But no need to suicide, just pause and press ESC.

[john4p]

Ah, thanks. But how do I pause? 'P' doesn't work.

[Anakirob]

Ah, thanks. But how do I pause? 'P' doesn't work.'HELP', as it is with all of Andrew Braybrook's Amiga games that I can think of. Although the WHDLoad version (CD32) supports both 'P' and 'HELP'.

[john4p]

Thanks.

[Ze Emulatron]

Ah, thanks. But how do I pause? 'P' doesn't work.
'HELP', as it is with all of Andrew Braybrook's Amiga games that I can think of. Although the WHDLoad version (CD32) supports both 'P' and 'HELP'.

I thought you must be able to pause the game and escape back to the menu. I tend to squeeze my joystick and then throw it across the room when I lose a life on the first 2 worlds. Resetting the A500 and waiting for it to load is supposed to allow me time to calm down.

@Ze Emulatron: When I lose a life in the iceworld I just kill myself and restart without rebooting. Btw., I usually skip level 1-3 with the warp because it's quite annoying.

I like to go through all the levels I can. I have been going through the levels the same way since I had gotten to the first level of the temple. I have been through the first 2 worlds enough to know where the enemies are supposed to appear, but it is usually a falling egg from a seagull that gets me, or the falling snow from the thing at the end of the 4th ice level, or one of the little creatures that come out of the trees, or I land on the water dragon incorrectly.

[mailman]

Graham, rexsu got cloned in the championship table ;)

[rexsu]

Graham, rexsu got cloned in the championship table ;)
We can leave the other to Lemon :spin

Otherwise I was looking for a possible secret passage, it was a bad idea :
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3137/fireiceglitch.png
:guru

New "skewed" score
774,475

[Graham Humphrey]

Graham, rexsu got cloned in the championship table ;)

Whoops! Fixed, thanks for spotting that and apologies to Masterblaster who was inadvertently wiped off the scoreboard.

[mailman]

260,725

[Anakirob]

Otherwise I was looking for a possible secret passage, it was a bad idea :
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3137/fireiceglitch.png
Heh, that happened to me once on the underwater levels too, although in a different spot. It's nowhere near as big a problem as it was when we were playing Assassin SE, got stuck in walls, fell through floors to my death, etc. quite a bit in that one.

Competition has gotten really hot these last couple of days, I'll have to have another go once I've finished my coffee so as to be competitive again.

[Ze Emulatron]

I lost my first life on the first underwater level. I got the life back at the end of the level. I lost my next life in the secret level from the second underwater level. I got that life back on the third underwater level, so I had 9 lives again and the jewels didn't go back to equaling heaps of points until halfway through the last underwater level, I was only getting 200 or 300 points per jewel, so I only had about 650,000 when I finished the last underwater level. I got the most of the rest of the points after that point from beating the boss from the first temple level. I had 9 lives when I started the level in the temple. It was only my second time trying to beat the boss. I had 5 lives when I started trying to defeat it and had no lives spare when I defeated it. After beating the boss you get taken back to the first level in the temple and I didn't make it to the exit.

I guess the scoring isn't as simple as have 9 lives in the underwater world and the jewels are worth heaps of points.

[CU_AMiGA]

274175 :d

[rexsu]

1,046,900
This score can be easily beat because I lost a life in the second stage of the water word. So if you reach the second stage in the temple (76%) with a perfect start, the victory will be in the pocket imho.

[mailman]

450,100

[rexsu]

Again, not a perfect run but the score is little better :

1,126,075

I don't know why but sometimes it's snowing !

[Graham Humphrey]

Last day of the round folks...

[john4p]

I like to go through all the levels I can. I have been going through the levels the same way since I had gotten to the first level of the temple. I have been through the first 2 worlds enough to know where the enemies are supposed to appear, but it is usually a falling egg from a seagull that gets me, or the falling snow from the thing at the end of the 4th ice level, or one of the little creatures that come out of the trees, or I land on the water dragon incorrectly.
For the falling snow I just back off as soon as the Yeti jumps and for the little creatures out of the trees I lure them out and jump over all 4 of them.
But falling eggs or other projectiles are a huge problem sometimes.
Still mostly it's just losing concentration (it's a long game) which costs a life.

I don't know why but sometimes it's snowing !
Had that once in the underwater world. No idea what triggered it (maybe collecting all the stars in a level?).

I don't know why but very, very rarely I got 2 lives in the first level after collecting the 1up-bone and jumping down to the coins. My score is at 14k at that time so it's not the 20k bonus and not a saved puppy...

Nice scores. :great

[rexsu]

I don't know why but very, very rarely I got 2 lives in the first level after collecting the 1up-bone and jumping down to the coins. My score is at 14k at that time so it's not the 20k bonus and not a saved puppy...

Nice scores. :great
Thank you but I have not succeeded the first 3 worlds without losing a life like you. This requires an extreme concentration, therefore your score is more impressive imho !
Otherwise for the 5th life in the 1st level, I noticed that too and yes it's very rare. Perhaps we must collect the coins in a certain order !?
I will play today if I have time, I really want to see the end. I reached the third stage of the temple (80% with a crappy score), but I lost 4 lifes in 5s from the start, the game becomes very hard...

[Dreedo]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3038/fidreedo.jpg

107,600, almost had Graham.... :(

[Ze Emulatron]

For the falling snow I just back off as soon as the Yeti jumps and for the little creatures out of the trees I lure them out and jump over all 4 of them.
But falling eggs or other projectiles are a huge problem sometimes.
Still mostly it's just losing concentration (it's a long game) which costs a life.


The falling snow annoys me sometimes because I am jumping up the hill (4th level) and I can't see it coming and I am in mid jump so I cant avoid it. Same goes with the bird eggs. But once you play it enough you know where the enemies are supposed to appear and know if they don't appear.



I don't know why but very, very rarely I got 2 lives in the first level after collecting the 1up-bone and jumping down to the coins. My score is at 14k at that time so it's not the 20k bonus and not a saved puppy...


On the first level I get 3 extra lives, the two puppies and the 1up bone = total of 5 lives but sometimes on the 2nd level I kill some enemies at the start to get the bonus life for 20,000 points and then go back for the 1up bone and after I have gotten the bonus life and after I have gotten the 1up bone I have noticed sometimes I have 8 lives, (5+2=7), I also think I have seen the extra life in the lives panel before I have gotten the 1up bone, so one life appears from nowhere but it doesn't happen very often.

I was going to post a new score I was doing so well I was in the second underwater level and I walked into a fish, I had been passed that part of the level like 10 times and it wasn't there before. Then when I got to the 1st level in the temple and lost all 9 lives before reaching the boss. So I didn't beat my previous attempt.

[Graham Humphrey]

And that's the end of the round and the end of the season!

[mailman]

On the first level I get 3 extra lives, the two puppies and the 1up bone = total of 5 lives but sometimes on the 2nd level I kill some enemies at the start to get the bonus life for 20,000 points and then go back for the 1up bone and after I have gotten the bonus life and after I have gotten the 1up bone I have noticed sometimes I have 8 lives, (5+2=7), I also think I have seen the extra life in the lives panel before I have gotten the 1up bone, so one life appears from nowhere but it doesn't happen very often.


Sometimes, when you start a new level, you can hear a sound (before the level even appears). This is the same sound when you get the extra life. I don't know what triggers it but maybe there are some conditions which are filled and this is a reward?

[Ze Emulatron]

Sometimes, when you start a new level, you can hear a sound (before the level even appears). This is the same sound when you get the extra life. I don't know what triggers it but maybe there are some conditions which are filled and this is a reward?

I don't play with the sound on, I watch TV at the same time, so I haven't noticed that. Maybe the game feels sorry for you and gives you an extra life on your somanyith playthrough

[mailman]

I don't play with the sound on, I watch TV at the same time, so I haven't noticed that. Maybe the game feels sorry for you and gives you an extra life on your somanyith playthrough

You play and watch at the same time? :shocked How it is even possible?

[Ze Emulatron]

You play and watch at the same time? :shocked How it is even possible?

You place your computer screen near the TV screen. It is more play the game and listen to the TV, but if something interesting happens I might look at the TV.


http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8085/room0.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3505/picture00900.jpg)