EMPL chitchat aka general discussion

[TheCyberDruid]

All the things not related to a special vote or game round should go in here ;)
Thread inspired by Graham Humphreys 'EAB/Lemon Super League General Discussion' :D

[AmigaFriend]

Ok TCD fine choice.


So I would propose that since we are on the middle of voting for the next round of the Multi Platform League, and many adjustments have already been made to correct the voting, we should only play PC Engine cartridge based games now, and for the next PC Engine round would be open to any game. Or maybe a CD titles exclusive.

What do you say guys?

[TheCyberDruid]

The problem is that if we play CD games the image has to be freely available (no closed torrent sites or sites with a registration). So it would be needed that the possible download is posted together with the vote. I would also like to hear what mihcael thinks about playing CD games.

[AmigaFriend]

The problem is that if we play CD games the image has to be freely available (no closed torrent sites or sites with a registration). So it would be needed that the possible download is posted together with the vote. I would also like to hear what mihcael thinks about playing CD games.

Indeed. The files have to be easily downloadable from the net. We have to check those linkies if they have iso's for download.

[john4p]

Well, they are easily available:

http://snesorama.us/board/showthread.php?t=18798

I wouldn't mind if we'd just restart the voting round (close and rename the old thread and open a new one) - there are some awesome titles among those CD games.

edit: "It Came From The Desert" CD? I wonder how good that version is.
edit2: Found some screenies - "It" looks terrible: http://www.pcengine.co.uk/HTML_Games/It_Came_From_The_Desert.htm

[AmigaFriend]

Well, they are easily available:

http://snesorama.us/board/showthread.php?t=18798

I wouldn't mind if we'd just restart the voting round (close and rename the old thread and open a new one) - there are some awesome titles among those CD games.


Yes it seems they are. But on file sharing. You think it's doable this way TCD, for downloading, I mean?

[TheCyberDruid]

I wouldn't mind if we'd just restart the voting round (close and rename the old thread and open a new one) - there are some awesome titles among those CD games.

Nope ;) We can always play the PCE again. I really try to get the schedule running, so I don't want another 'restart' of anything. Like I said in the voting thread no CD games are valid and I really would like to hear from a few more people what they think about it ;)

Yes it seems they are. But on file sharing. You think it's doable this way TCD, for downloading, I mean?

I would prefer not to use file sharing. I really need your opinions about that guys :) I wouldn't mind playing CD games as long as the way to get them is okay for everyone.

[TodaysForgotten]

I agree with john, but i can easily be ok with whoever wins this next round and chooses the PCECD. I could definitely love to fire up Nexzr or rayxanber or spriggan or sylphia or zero wing or tokimeki, genocide, klaiden, ginga fukei denesetsu etc etc

as i said, i have most of these games and if i dont have them i can get them. I would have no problem hosting them on my computer via FTP. That way we arent getting bogus or expired links etc.

[Retro-Nerd]

edit: "It Came From The Desert" CD? I wonder how good that version is.
edit2: Found some screenies - "It" looks terrible: http://www.pcengine.co.uk/HTML_Games/It_Came_From_The_Desert.htm

It's nice, if you like trashy games. It's one of the first games with FMV, so don't expect too much. The gameplay isn't comparable with the Amiga classic. Sharing PCE-CD games is good, but only proper full CD Images, no ISO+Mp3 crap.

[TheCyberDruid]

as i said, i have most of these games and if i dont have them i can get them. I would have no problem hosting them on my computer via FTP. That way we arent getting bogus or expired links etc.

Now that is a great idea :great Thanks for the offer TF :)

[john4p]

It's nice, if you like trashy games.
Well, I don't.

But I was surprised to find two reviews which both rated the game pretty high:

http://baetzler.de/vidgames/CD-reviews.var

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/turbocd/review/R47692.html

Maybe one day I'll give it a try...

[TheCyberDruid]

There is this fine PC Engine CD thread you know... ;)

[AmigaFriend]

I would have no problem hosting them on my computer via FTP. That way we arent getting bogus or expired links etc.

I could also help without any problem. I have dedicated "server" pc (my old Athlon) just for this kind of stuff. I got a 2MB upload rate and unlimited traffic line. So, everything is set up to help for what's needed. :)

[TheCyberDruid]

I'm also sure that Magix would be fine with me uploading the image we currently play on the file server. So as long the game is available somewhere, consider this problem sorted then ;) That said, I would like to hear if it is okay for our friends from Oz too :)

[AmigaFriend]

I'm also sure that Magix would be fine with me uploading the image we currently play on the file server.

If there is no problem, then this is really the ideal solution. :agree

[TheCyberDruid]

If there is no problem, then this is really the ideal solution. :agree

Since I will only upload the currently played game and delete it after the round is over, I'm pretty sure Magix wouldn't have a problem with it ;) I will ask him before we play the first round with CD games of course :)

[john4p]

@TF: Yes, I could see what you did there in the video. It's just still hard to do. And after the six turrets it's still not over.

I will continue to use my bombs against the boss. But should I fail I'll use the continues to practice a bit bullet dodging.


Go easy with training you get the hand on it.I just hope there are no savestates involved in this training. We agreed last year to do without savestate-training (practising difficult parts using savestates). I myself used savestates to train each level of Jump 'n Roll and X-Out individually last year. But that's not the way these games are supposed to be played. So we agreed to never use savestates.
Using level passwords to practice is fine (if we obtained those passwords ourselves by playing).

If you used savestate-training, then you probably just missed that rule. You should keep your score and just do without it in the future.

If you didn't use savestate-training I'm really impressed by your skills, xpect! :great

[AmigaFriend]

I just hope there are no savestates involved in this training. We agreed last year to do without savestate-training (practising difficult parts using savestates). I myself used savestates to train each level of Jump 'n Roll and X-Out individually last year. But that's not the way these games are supposed to be played. So we agreed to never use savestates.
Using level passwords to practice is fine (if we obtained those passwords ourselves by playing).

If you used savestate-training, then you probably just missed that rule. You should keep your score and just do without it in the future.

If you didn't use savestate-training I'm really impressed by your skills, xpect! :great

Of course not John, when I mean training is starting playing the game, dying, starting again, dying, over and over to learn the tricks of that specific game till you're good enough that the games feels easy on you to do the intrinsic and difficult parts.

Why do you think that I come late to post a score on some rounds of the league? Sometimes is because of work I don't have so much time to dedicate to gaming, but the better part of it is because I'm training.

My favorite retro genres are racing, shooters and platformers. If we were playing RPG's for instance than I would pass.
The only games that I had already played on the past that came up on the league and I played were: Stunt Car Racer and Pinball Fantasies. All the other games I had to learn them from scratch. There are games that motivate me more, others less, as anyone else. For a platformer Superfrog sucked big time for me. Rodland was awesome. In Empl I trully enjoyed just about everygame, but I'm truly enjoying Raiden, because although very dificult, is challenging and that is what brings up the best on the gamer that we all are.

What's the point on cheating? To prove what? Yay, I'm making more 2 billions points than you! Wow what an acomplishment! Congratulations on that...
I started to play these games because it's a good oportunity for me to learn about good games and actually playing them. I have all the Tosec collections with gazillions of games for C64, MSX, Amiga, etc, etc. that i donwloaded in the last 6 months. Of course I try the odd game just to see how they are but from that collection only finished Space Manbow on the MSX2, on the past months.
The leagues are a good excuse for me to finish the games and actually learn them to every detail, just to make that extra points.

And I don't miss the rules, I respect them. Two rounds ago on this league I made a mistake of, on the heat of trying to beat TCD, I used a continue without noticing. After TCD bring that to my attention I promptly invalidated my score without further discussion. So I already said that then, and I make my final statement here.

Making the score I made, came with high levels of concentration and is was nothing short of difficult.
After seeing TF's video, oh man I have much to train, yes sir. I am in no doubt that he will clean sweep this round easily.

[TheCyberDruid]

*cough* These discussions are one of the reasons why I made our cozy 'chitchat' thread (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=43831) ;) Thank you for your cooperation :cool :D

[john4p]

What's the point on cheating? To prove what? Yay, I'm making more 2 billions points than you! Wow what an acomplishment! Congratulations on that...Well, practising using savestates isn't really cheating - Biscuit even allowed it in the Pinball Hall of Fame (still I don't do it).
You can memorize how to overcome difficult parts by practicing them with savestates so you can later easily reproduce them when you do the "clean" run (without savestates).
So it's not really cheating, but an unfair advantage if someone would do this while the others don't.

It was just your wording "training" that made me suspicious if you might have missed the rule.

Good to know you didn't. Sorry if my post sounded like I wanted to accuse you, m8 - that wasn't my intention.
Like I said - I'm all the more impressed by your skill! :great

edit: @TCD: next time... ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

edit: @TCD: next time... ;)

I hope Graham will do something about it, next time he's around ;)

[AmigaFriend]

*cough* These discussions are one of the reasons why I made our cozy 'chitchat' thread (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=43831) ;) Thank you for your cooperation :cool :D

You're right and need to be moved, please. Including this post.


You can memorize how to overcome difficult parts by practicing them with savestates so you can later easily reproduce them when you do the "clean" run (without savestates).
So it's not really cheating, but an unfair advantage if someone would do this while the others don't.

It was just your wording "training" that made me suspicious if you might have missed the rule.

Good to know you didn't. Sorry if my post sounded like I wanted to accuse you, m8 - that wasn't my intention.
Like I said - I'm all the more impressed by your skill! :great

Not at all John, sorry if sounded like a lecture, but i only was simply stating how I do things and how i think about it, nothing more nothing less. :)

[Graham Humphrey]

Posts moved ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

Thanks Graham ;)

[TodaysForgotten]

After seeing TF's video, oh man I have much to train, yes sir. I am in no doubt that he will clean sweep this round easily.

I'm only going to give this a few more goes. While this port is pretty challenging it for me is very doable but the problem is I usually botch it somewhere. Last night i was on level 7 and since i have two black borders an outerspace stage in the heat of battle makes me think the black borders are part of the screen and when a bullet is hitting the actual left border i'm flying to the right of it thinking i just passed it and die.

Not only that I started practicing the arcade version and it is absolutely hectic vs the pc engine port. It's almost unfair at times since there are many more ground units and they come in over as you are passing where they originally came from. Plus, you have to pan back and forth constantly in the arcade version so memorization is seemingly key. I think the only way to no miss the arcade version is to switch to lasers on certain bosses. Stressful.

[TodaysForgotten]

Nah, that's the burden of the winner ;) Voting would mean we had to do for both the platform and the game, so not very practical. We could however set up a static cycle. Well let's continue this one here : http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=43831 :)

I feel empowered. If i win, its the pc engine again. You'll just have to deal with it. Tough. Too bad. Wah. :help

[AmigaFriend]

I feel empowered. If i win, its the pc engine again. You'll just have to deal with it. Tough. Too bad. Wah. :help


I think it's a real fine choice. My wish is on it too, because for me it's an unexplored world. And after this fine game, let's see if we can have another one.

I think nonetheless TCD that a rotational system would be a fine solution. We just have to define clearly the platforms. What do you think?

[TheCyberDruid]

I think nonetheless TCD that a rotational system would be a fine solution. We just have to define clearly the platforms. What do you think?

Yup, I thought the same to release TF off his burden each round :p We need to choose platforms with enough games and then make a order in which to play them. Okay I start with the once we played so far and that seem to be suited for this :

MegaDrive / Genesis
Super Nintendo / Super Famicom
PC Engine / TurboGrafx 16

I would also like to see the NeoGeo, but I'm not sure if there are really enough games with a scoring system on it. Post your suggestions here and we discuss which ones should be in the rotation :)

[AmigaFriend]

Yup i think the NeoGeo it's the only addition that it's lacking on the list.

Unless we consider also MAME to be choosable? Fi, only choosing games from 86 to 94?

[TodaysForgotten]

Perhaps a more appealing system could be implemented over a rotation. Assuming that the Turbo Grafix wins out for next round we could then hold a voting thread after week-1. The vote could be a majority rule type deal or a knock-out. For instance, if TG16 is the current round console/system it will then be pitted up against SNES and Genesis. If a system other than TG16 wins out then its pitted up against the master system and nintendo.

If anything we could hold a discussion after the 1st week and see who wants what. I'll do Neo Geo in a heartbeat but id rather each week(s) be more arbitrary than assumed.

What about the PS1? there are a crapton great shmups on there as well as other games. Same goes for the saturn, dreamcast, and maybe even 3do...sega cd maybe.

damnit i need to keep editing this removed everything i had.

Keep in mind that all neo geo roms are playable in Mame. I can think of two good games already: View Point and Wind Jammers oh and metal slug.

[john4p]

Imo systems that have a small library of games like Dreamcast, Sega CD, 3DO and Neo Geo shouldn't count as much for the new rotation-system as the systems with huge libraries such as SNES, Mega Drive, PC Engine and Playstation.

I'd suggest something like:
15% SNES
15% Mega Drive (Genesis)
15% PC Engine (TurboGrafx16)
15% PS1
15% NES
10% Arcade
5% Neo Geo
5% Dreamcast and Saturn
5% others (Sharp X68000, Atari VCS, Master System, Gameboy, MSX, etc.)

[AmigaFriend]

C'mon guys didn't we agree to play only on 16 bit-like platforms?

My suggestion with Mame was only to have a choice for other type of games that aren't in the consoles. Hence the 86-94 games selection suggestion, that are on the 16-bit spirit type of games.

But we have like some tens of thousands of games to choose on 16 bit consoles right now... do we need more, with other type of consoles? ;)

[john4p]

I agree with you there. :great

Let's not play the 8-bit systems (except PC Engine with its 16bit graphics) and let's not play PS1, Saturn, Dreamcast, etc. We could include those in 5 years or so... ;)

New proposal:

25% SNES
25% Mega Drive/Genesis
25% PC Engine / TurboGrafx16
10% Neo Geo
10% early nineties Arcade
5% other 16-bit systems (Sharp X68000, MSX-2)

[mihcael]

The problem is that if we play CD games the image has to be freely available (no closed torrent sites or sites with a registration). So it would be needed that the possible download is posted together with the vote. I would also like to hear what mihcael thinks about playing CD games.

Hey, thats me! ;) I don't mind!

while im at it....
Mulit Platform should mean just that!! So play everything possible (incl MAME and DOS maybe? (which i never played) and WIN??)

Someone said 16bit only i think it should 8bit and up (Sega MS and NES!!!)

and i wouldn't limit to old games only either, after all its the EMPL not ER(etro)MPL.

[TodaysForgotten]

Hmm, I totally like where Mihcael is coming from. Definitely voting for road kill when the EAB league starts up (:

In all seriousness though, I"m down for a 16-bit league. I believe we had a foundation of what consoles to play. I wouldn't say the PSX/PS1 library is small with over 500+ games. Saturn and dreamcast neither.

I think Mihcael has the right idea but as was stated earlier it starts to become convoluted. I can only think of a handful of games i played in dos (leisure suit larry, police quest, space quest, king's quest, executioners). It would become laborious trying to find/look for dos and Win 95 games to play.

Since the league is a changing topic and will evolve we should leave an open discussion for the next season. For now i think we should stick with the 16-bit systems - with 2 exceptions possibly being Mame (ports) and Neo-Geo.

[Graham Humphrey]

TCD do you have a schedule for this season?

[AmigaFriend]

Since the league is a changing topic and will evolve we should leave an open discussion for the next season. For now i think we should stick with the 16-bit systems - with 2 exceptions possibly being Mame (ports) and Neo-Geo.

Exactly on the spot TF. :)

We agreed to play 16 bit from a start, changing it on the middle of the season i think makes no sense at all. We have a base of great systems to play with great (and many) games to choose. It's only 12 games per year, so we are not even scratching the surface here.

When this season ends or is about to end i'm open for a discussion on different platforms / era for gaming, as suggested by TF.

I think we should concentrate on the rotational system for the different 16 bit systems, for now, voting starts tomorrow.

So clear answers:

Do we include MAME as a system for the rounds? The same for NeoGeo?
What do you think about the suggested years of playing in MAME, that mimic more or less a 16-bit type of game: 86-94. What are you suggestions?

What type of rotational system do we use?

1. Simple one like:

next month playing console (not in this particular order, only an example):


May: PCEngine
June: Snes
July: Megadrive , etc,etc

2. The knockout system has suggested by TF.

[TheCyberDruid]

Schedule? Season? ;)
To be honest I would say that it's a good reason to take a break now and discuss the platform question till saturday. Then I'll make a new voting thread and also set up a proper schedule. Not sure about it now, but I think a season would be three games for each platform then.

About 16 bit or not : I wouldn't mind playing some 8 bit games ;) Let's see which platforms come into the discussion and how popular they are. Guess there will be a poll at some time, though I must admit that this can easily get out of hand...

We agreed to play 16 bit from a start

We did? Don't think so ;)

What type of rotational system do we use?

It will stay the one week vote, two week competition cycle. Just the systems will be a fixed rotation.

[TodaysForgotten]

I'm glad xpect and I have an alliance forming. Alike minds or some shit.

Hmm, well then we'd have to include SMS and will that extend down to atari, coleco, wonderswan, intellivision, gameboy?

There should be a cutoff somewhere. To be honest i dont want to play atari games unless its a game like anarchy. I have no problem with 8-bit I'm pretty sure I won't be selecting them either but i love the 8-bit.

Lets just run the league as it was "thought" to be. Winner of the round chooses the platform. I hardly doubt we'll see the same console 3 weeks straight.

If that doesn't work then do something like a 2 limit maximum per month for each console.

[DamienD]

Do we include MAME as a system for the rounds? The same for NeoGeo?
What do you think about the suggested years of playing in MAME, that mimic more or less a 16-bit type of game: 86-94. What are you suggestions?
I'm definitely up for this ;)

[mihcael]

... Definitely voting for road kill when the EAB league starts up (: ...

Roadkill would make a great comp, bit different, great game!!

As for this comp, i dont really care (in a nice way :)), i just got carried away when i seen my name. :cheese

[Graham Humphrey]

Roadkill's a great shout...

Back on-topic, if we go down to 8-bit surely this must include the likes of the Spectrum, C64 and CPC too? I think the more formats the better - but maybe the current voting system isn't really suitable for a compo with potentially so many formats?

[mihcael]

...if we go down to 8-bit surely this must include the likes of the Spectrum, C64 and CPC too? I think the more formats the better - but maybe the current voting system isn't really suitable for a compo with potentially so many formats?

If 8bit means Spectrum, C64 and CPC then screw 8bit, played some of thoses in comps before, generally they provide Crap sound, crap graphics and really crap gameplay!!

Just the NES and SMS. Fantasy Zone on the SMS is wicked game, although a leechers paradise! Not sure what NES games might be good for comp other then Life Force.

[TheCyberDruid]

I really think we should go the rotation way. By think I mean we will do that :D Also we will only choose five platforms. This said you now only have to discuss which 5 it should be (regardless of number of bits, but please still retro). I will start the new vote on saturday with the rotation.

Btw : A 'season' will consist of 3 games for each of the 5 platforms. What do you think?

[mihcael]

Nice work TCD!! ;)

Dont stop there, pick the 5 platforms while your at it! :great

[john4p]

That's okay. I'd vote for:

Super NES
Mega Drive (Genesis)
PC Engine (TurboGrafx16)
Neo Geo
Arcade games (around the year 1990)

[TheCyberDruid]

Super Nintendo
MegaDrive
NeoGeo
C64
Nintendo 64 (hehe ;))

[AmigaFriend]

That's okay. I'd vote for:

Super NES
Mega Drive (Genesis)
PC Engine (TurboGrafx16)
Neo Geo
Arcade games


And John said it all. :)
I only think the arcade games start from 1986.

Voted.

[off1k]

I really think we should go the rotation way. By think I mean we will do that :D Also we will only choose five platforms. This said you now only have to discuss which 5 it should be (regardless of number of bits, but please still retro). I will start the new vote on saturday with the rotation.

Btw : A 'season' will consist of 3 games for each of the 5 platforms. What do you think?


Gday peeps

Dont mean to throw a spanner in the works but why not have 2 games from different platforms per round, that way you can cover a few more systems and still have rewards and still have a rotation setup aswell. The winner of the round gets to pick a game for 1 of the platforms and the other game is voted for by other peeps (winner not included).

You could also have the player that comes second last pick 1 of the platforms for next round while the other platform is on rotation or something like that. If there happens to be a draw then both games are voted and both platforms on rotation.
So after all that I pick

Mame [no CHDs]
C64
NES
Master System
Pc Engine [no CD versions]
MegaDrive
SNES
X68000 [maybe]
Atari ST

outsiders: Atari 2600/400/800, Spectrum, ColecoVision, Intellivision

didnt bother picking Neo-Geo as its included with Mame.


but if had to choose 5 platforms, they would be

SNES
PC Engine
MegaDrive
Mame
C64

[TheCyberDruid]

Dont mean to throw a spanner in the works but why not have 2 games from different platforms per round, that way you can cover a few more systems and still have rewards and still have a rotation setup aswell. The winner of the round gets to pick a game for 1 of the platforms and the other game is voted for by other peeps (winner not included).

That's why I want only 5 platforms and no extra voting rules. Things tend to get too complicated and it should be fun after all :) However I'm thinking about implementing 'special rounds' for other platforms :agree
Oh and after the first season we will decide if we change some (or maybe all ;)) platforms.

[john4p]

Oh and after the first season we will decide if we change some (or maybe all ;)) platforms.
No! SNES and MegaDrive should be always present.

[off1k]

sometimes the slightly more complicated setups can be more fun, all is good though, just throwing some ideas out there;)

will play whatever the chosen setup is:D

[TheCyberDruid]

No! SNES and MegaDrive should be always present.

Guess nobody would want them to be exchanged (and the votes so far clearly show that), but it's not like they aren't discussible john ;)

sometimes the slightly more complicated setups can be more fun

Okay, I'll try to make the special rounds as complicated as possible okay? :D
Just kidding ;) I got what you meant and I'll try to keep it a bit spicy, but also not too confusing :)

[john4p]

Guess nobody would want them to be exchanged (and the votes so far clearly show that), but it's not like they aren't discussible john ;)
NO! ...I mean...yes.

[mihcael]

... Things tend to get too complicated and it should be fun after all :) ...

You call that complicated!! You're lucky you dont see the scoring systems for the comps off1k and i run! :crazy No voting for games or platform, you do what your told!! :bash

i like the idea of 2 games active at one time, means if one game is shit you can focus on the other, rather then wait 3-4 weeks for the next round!

also would consider the idea of 2nd last place picking 1 of the platforms (not last place to deter tanking) maybe?? Voting with so few numbers is.. :spin??

In the end, i dont care, this comp has given me the incentive to play 2 games i had never played before!

[TheCyberDruid]

To calm you down a bit :

a) There will be no 'forced' exchanges.
b) I'm not going to vote against SNES or MD.
c) Maybe I give myself a special veto right... :evilgrin *cough* ;)

[mihcael]

only 4 rounds in, maybe just let things roll for a while?

[off1k]

You call that complicated!! You're lucky you dont see the scoring systems for the comps off1k and i run! :crazy No voting for games or platform, you do what your told!! :bash

i like the idea of 2 games active at one time, means if one game is shit you can focus on the other, rather then wait 3-4 weeks for the next round!

also would consider the idea of 2nd last place picking 1 of the platforms (not last place to deter tanking) maybe?? Voting with so few numbers is.. :spin??

In the end, i dont care, this comp has given me the incentive to play 2 games i had never played before!



:lol:lol
Im grabbing the pitchforks

[TheCyberDruid]

i like the idea of 2 games active at one time, means if one game is shit you can focus on the other, rather then wait 3-4 weeks for the next round!

Not so much into that idea. At least not if the rounds should stay two weeks long (which I would prefer). Maybe the special round will be different :)

also would consider the idea of 2nd last place picking 1 of the platforms (not last place to deter tanking) maybe?? Voting with so few numbers is.. :spin??

:confused... Erm... Ah, I think... no sorry don't get it :p ;)
Like I said the special rounds get a different voting/whatever to choose system, but at least one I can understand :D

only 4 rounds in, maybe just let things roll for a while?

I think the four rounds showed pretty good that the vote/compo interval works and that the different emulators aren't a big problem :) Now we decide about the 'wider range' things ;)
Oh and if you want to blame anyone then go for TF :D He was complaining about picking the next platform :p

[mihcael]

...
:confused... Erm... Ah, I think... no sorry don't get it :p ;)
...
related to a 2 game round, doesnt matter!!


see happens when we have a break in competition, no EAB vs LEMON, no EMPL. Nothing to do but talk!! Im not a fan!! Bring back the comps!!

[TheCyberDruid]

see happens when we have a break in competition, no EAB vs LEMON, no EMPL. Nothing to do but talk!! Im not a fan!! Bring back the comps!!

I'm really sorry mihcael :( After this the compo will just roll on and on, promised ;) Maybe I open the next voting thread on friday night/saturday morning. That is if you all are well-behaved and agree with every single word I say :cheese
Nah really, just vote your favourite five platforms and we can proceed :)

[john4p]

Well, we could play each game for 2 weeks.

Start the voting for the next game as we start the new game. Start the new game when the current game has been played 1 week and start the voting for the next game.

With this system we'd always* have a new game each week and 2 games active to be played (each for 2 weeks), see:

week game game
1 A
2 A B
3 C B
4 C D
5 E D
6 E F

And so on...


*: except for the first and final week where there would be only 1 active game...

[TheCyberDruid]

With the Super League it would be three games and I'm not into the idea. It will just be one game, then a vote, game, vote, game... ;)

[john4p]

With the Super League it would be three games[...]That's just not true! Because sometimes we have the special rounds in the super league and so we'd have four games to play! ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

...so we'd have four games to play! ;)

Teh horror :shocked :scream :crying ;)
Well we will have your special rounds so that is still possible, but only once in a (long) while.
What I was thinking about is to extend the compo round to three weeks and make the last week the voting one for the next game. People could pick their time within the three weeks to play and there will be no gap in gaming. What do you think?

[john4p]

Yes, that's better (I could've used the extra-week for Raiden).

[TheCyberDruid]

Yes, that's better (I could've used the extra-week for Raiden).

With a fixed schedule of the platforms that's no problem :) Okay let's hear what the others think, but I guess they agree ;)
[/conspiracy mode off] :p

[TodaysForgotten]

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want everyone to be satisfied with the console chosen for said week. It's very moot but that's how I am. I think we should just keep it as is, the winner chooses the platform.

Or run a vote for what people want:
Winner Picks
Rotation
etc.


No, not the dreaded 3-week format. If you're going to do 3-weeks then we should do 3 games as i think was mentioned. I really think 3 weeks is wayyyyy too long.

Another rant. IF we do 5 systems, nintendo, sms, tg16, genesis and snes...i would never choose nintendo or sms. So picking games for it would be a chore. But, you never know one day if i win another round i may want to play it. I dunno. *shruggles*

[TheCyberDruid]

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want everyone to be satisfied with the console chosen for said week. It's very moot but that's how I am. I think we should just keep it as is, the winner chooses the platform.

Or run a vote for what people want:
Winner Picks
Rotation
etc.

Democracy is so overrated... erm... I mean that it is settled that we play a rotation :p

No, not the dreaded 3-week format. If you're going to do 3-weeks then we should do 3 games as i think was mentioned. I really think 3 weeks is wayyyyy too long.

Well you don't have to play three weeks ;) It's just that the vote will be during the last week of play, so the timespam between two round will be the same (three weeks). If more people don't like the idea we keep it as it is.

Another rant. IF we do 5 systems, nintendo, sms, tg16, genesis and snes...i would never choose nintendo or sms. So picking games for it would be a chore. But, you never know one day if i win another round i may want to play it. I dunno. *shruggles*

Well it was the same for other people with the PCE, so stop to whine about it ;) Nah really, it's of course a problem to vote for games on a platform you don't know and more platforms only make it worse :agree

[Biscuit]

I favour a rotational system. Or a pre-chosen pool of systems (that could change over time) for a winner to choose from. System must change each round. But rotational is easier to manage.

8-bit has some good stuff to offer. C64 and NES.

I'll leave the round length and structure up to TCD. I play in the C64 league sometimes (buggy boy this month :)), so I'm wary of it being 5 games all at once. I could barely manage 3.

@TCD - You're doing a good job keeping this rabble in order. Eyeryone can't get their way. If you want me to rough anyone up for you, just give the word. ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

@TCD - You're doing a good job keeping this rabble in order. Eyeryone can't get their way. If you want me to rough anyone up for you, just give the word. ;)

Cheers Biscuit ;) So far the boys are well-behaved, so I think you can leave your club at home :D

I will make a poll tomorrow evening with the platforms mentioned so far (even if I don't like polls too much for this kind of decisions). It will only be open till saturday, so make sure you check it on friday or saturday :agree

[Akira]

Let's see some Redrunner action, folks:
http://aleksieeben.blogspot.com/2007/09/redrunner.html

[TheCyberDruid]

Let's see some Redrunner action, folks:
http://aleksieeben.blogspot.com/2007/09/redrunner.html

Huh? Now what should that be then? Maybe you want instead just state your favourite gaming platforms ;)

[Akira]

It's a wonderful C64 score mayhem game.
NOW GET TO IT :P

[TheCyberDruid]

Okay, so I guess you want to put C64 on your list :p

[AmigaFriend]

Well you don't have to play three weeks ;) It's just that the vote will be during the last week of play, so the timespam between two round will be the same (three weeks). If more people don't like the idea we keep it as it is.


I truly think that the 2 week format is preferable to the 3 week format. Because in 2 weeks we see more action and gaming to be honest. And picking up your idea TCD, which I think it's a fine one, voting in the last week would allow us to play 2 games per month. And now that we are thinking to put new platforms to the mix we could know more games.

Although I would much prefer to play on 16 bit like and up systems, but as long we stick with "decent" 8 bit systems, it's ok for me. Let's see what the majority says about this.

[TheCyberDruid]

Either 1 week vote + 2 weeks compo or 3 weeks compo with the vote in the last week. The simple reason is that I want the league to be playable also for people with not so much time and to be able to play the Super League at the same time. I really don't like the idea of parallel gaming (except for a special event) or a tighter schedule.

[AmigaFriend]

Either 1 week vote + 2 weeks compo or 3 weeks compo with the vote in the last week. The simple reason is that I want the league to be playable also for people with not so much time and to be able to play the Super League at the same time. I really don't like the idea of parallel gaming (except for a special event) or a tighter schedule.


Ok I understand that. Putting that way then I think the current system is of my choice. 1 week vote + 2 weeks compo.

[john4p]

Neither system is my favorite - but it wouldn't hurt to be able to play during the voting week, would it?

[TheCyberDruid]

Hmm, so far it's 1:1... Keep 'em coming then ;)
Oh and don't forget your platform votes. Tonight the poll will be set up :agree

[mihcael]

how many votes are happening atm?

fav 5 platforms, (dont care ;))
and favourite of those favourites (poll not open yet)
(then game vote after that)
season schedule, ( i agree with john too!)
how the platform is selected, (rotating or winner!! i dont mind)

[TheCyberDruid]

fav 5 platforms, (dont care ;))

No, it's just name the platforms you would like to see in the poll ;) If the platform is already mentioned no need to do it twice.

and favourite of those favourites (poll not open yet)

That's the only vote atm :D

season schedule, ( i agree with john too!)

No vote = my decision :p

how the platform is selected, (rotating or winner!! i dont mind)

Rotation (as stated in one of the posts somewhere here... ;))

See, it's not that confusing :D

[AmigaFriend]

See, it's not that confusing :D

Thanks for clearing that up TCD, my head was about to explode with all the choices so far. :cheese

[mihcael]

Your a good sport TCD!! :great

[TheCyberDruid]

Thanks for clearing that up TCD, my head was about to explode with all the choices so far. :cheese

Nah, I won't let too much choices hurt my precious players :cheese The decision was only about the rotation (which platforms should be in there) from the start (at least from my point ;)). The schedule and season question was raised by Graham and I never said that I wanted to discuss that. Hope it's clear now why I kinda stop every non 'which platforms in the rotation' discussion :)

@mihcael
Thanks matey :great

[john4p]

Hope it's clear now why I kinda stop every non 'which platforms in the rotation' discussion :)
Now that's a pretty restricted Chitchat-thread... ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

Now that's a pretty restricted Chitchat-thread... ;)

Oh you can discuss everything here... well if it is EMPL related, but don't expect it to have an influence on the current decisions ;) I just wanted to make clear what the current decision is.
Btw : I forgot that there are indeed two ongoing decisions. I would also like to hear about the round length, but that can wait a bit since it won't affect the current voting :)

[TodaysForgotten]

I truly think that the 2 week format is preferable to the 3 week format. Because in 2 weeks we see more action and gaming to be honest. And picking up your idea TCD, which I think it's a fine one, voting in the last week would allow us to play 2 games per month. And now that we are thinking to put new platforms to the mix we could know more games.

Although I would much prefer to play on 16 bit like and up systems, but as long we stick with "decent" 8 bit systems, it's ok for me. Let's see what the majority says about this.

Xpect is my new spokes-person. I raised this point in the EAB Thread, although it was more geared towards 3 weeks of playing and 3 weeks off. In the end i don't think anyone read it but I think i made a decent point that 3 weeks is very long. Most people will prolong playing with the three-week format and put their best foot-forward in the final days. Many won't utilize 21 days of playing if anything it allows them to play the 3-4 days due to other arrangements.

We should play 2 week and vote in the 2nd week. This is what drives me mad in the c64 league on lemon. They waste all that time voting and it feels so unorthodoxed and boring.

[TheCyberDruid]

Okay, I put it in abother way : Can't be arsed to make a new voting/competition thread every week, so please bear with me and give me a week off in between them :D

[john4p]

If that's the problem I would be willing to do every second game + voting round.

[TheCyberDruid]

I know you guys are really addicted, but why shouldn't a three weeks interval do? I see it that it would be quite frustrating to not have the time to play a game often enough to train it, if you can see that a better score is possible. Many people haven't played the games before (see Predabot) and a longer time span would enable them to get into the game. Since we won't be playing the games again, I would say this three week for each game with the vote in the last week would offer the best chances for people that have little time and still don't expand the time till the next round. Why didn't you guys complained before about the 2 + 1 week system? ;)

[john4p]

Why didn't you guys complained before about the 2 + 1 week system? ;)Because before the EAB/Lemon Super League had no pause...

[TheCyberDruid]

Because before the EAB/Lemon Super League had no pause...

Damn junkies :p

[Biscuit]

Damn junkies :p
:laughing

[TheCyberDruid]

Okay guys, the poll will start in about 2 hours, so if anyone has another system he would like to see there... ;)

[Predabot]

I'm a bit late, it would seem. ^^

I would have added PC!! The IBM-compatible Personal Computer.

DOOM! QUAKE! WOLFENSTEIN! JAZZ JACKRABBIT!

All to be played on the DosBox emulator... :) Current x64 PC platforms have evolved to the point where they're only compatible on a kernel-level, so you need an emulator. Sort of like Amiga and Aros I guess... ^^

[Graham Humphrey]

And how pray tell would you have played Doom in a score competition ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

And how pray tell would you have played Doom in a score competition ;)

SPEEDRUNS!!! :spin :crazy :lol
Erm... sorry... ;)
Also think that many PC games aren't suitable for a competition.

[TodaysForgotten]

I know you guys are really addicted, but why shouldn't a three weeks interval do? I see it that it would be quite frustrating to not have the time to play a game often enough to train it, if you can see that a better score is possible. Many people haven't played the games before (see Predabot) and a longer time span would enable them to get into the game. Since we won't be playing the games again, I would say this three week for each game with the vote in the last week would offer the best chances for people that have little time and still don't expand the time till the next round. Why didn't you guys complained before about the 2 + 1 week system? ;)

I love retro gaming. In my opinion the problem with 3-weeks is lets say super mario bros is chosen for the league. I really don't want to play that game for 3 weeks straight. STGs (shooting games) are a bit different as there is always room for improvement (to an extent).

I have played in the retroleague for the equivalent of 40 weeks. They go by 1 week intervals with no breaks. I love that format. If the game is good i'm forced to play it in that week. Of course it's not for everyone. I know john and graham joined and while they liked it they felt it went too fast. If thats a "mis-quote" please correct me.

Afterall, these leagues are casual and for fun. If money were involved then i could understand 3 week intervals. As i've said in the past, whatever is determined is fine by me even if i won't like it. I just want to play games. Not with your guys hearts but in the league.

[TheCyberDruid]

I just want to play games. Not with your guys hearts but in the league.

I should put that quote in my sig ;)

My (somewhat) final two cents : Given you are a casual gamer and have a real life (family etc.), you will most likely only find time to get into a game on the weekends. Given the nature of the EMPL chances are quite high that you've never played the game before. Just because of that reason I really would like to keep a bit more slow paced. Guess we'll have another poll after this one with three options then :

3 weeks, voting in the last one
2 weeks and 1 week voting
2 weeks, voting in the last one

No worries john, if the crowd wants it, I will get my lazy ass to make a thread every week ;)

[john4p]

That's good, thanks. Btw., I'm no junkie either. My hands are calm and relaxed. Proof:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dt3sza.jpg


@TF: You got that right. Plus I didn't like most of the games were Arcade games around 1980-1982 or Spectrum games etc.. If it were mainly 16bit-games I might have stayed.

[TheCyberDruid]

I'm no junkie either.

Another quote to remember ;)
The poll will follow on saturday/sunday and run for the time of the game vote then :)

[TodaysForgotten]

I should put that quote in my sig ;)

heh. You should do that. Or make that your new handle.

[TheCyberDruid]

heh. You should do that.

Now that I have your permission... done :D

[TodaysForgotten]

I am honored. (:

[Predabot]

Man... I'm looking forward to some Sega Saturn... :) Especially if we get to play Nights. I've been reading about it, and SS seems to be generally considered as far superior when it comes to 2D-gaming as compared to the Playstation 1.

There's bound to be LOADS of hidden and forgotten gems in its library!

So... I guess now I just have to wait for the next round to vote it in.

[john4p]

Are the 2 SNES-, the 1 MD-round(s) we've played before agreeing to the rotation system subtracted from their 3-rounds-counter? (That'd mean SNES was at 0 already for this season...)

And what about the schedule? And what about the N64, NES and PC Engine - do we include them, too (maybe with only 2 rounds each instead of 3 like the five winner-platforms)?

[TheCyberDruid]

Are the 2 SNES-, the 1 MD-round(s) we've played before agreeing to the rotation system subtracted from their 3-rounds-counter?

Obviously not ;) We play the rotation as it is and the first rounds are... well the first rounds :nervous Don't think it matters much if they are in the score list anyway.

And what about the schedule? And what about the N64, NES and PC Engine - do we include them, too (maybe with only 2 rounds each instead of 3 like the five winner-platforms)?

Still thinking about this one. Be patient ;)

[john4p]

Good. More SNES and MD-action...

I'm patient. Also calm and relaxed. ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

I'm patient. Also calm and relaxed. ;)

I know... :D
I think there will be more than 5 'regulars' and some two special rounds. Guess next week you will have the 'skeleton' and then you could fill in the dates to make a schedule ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

We will have 6 systems in the rotation (the gap between these and the rest of the systems is quite big). There will be three rounds for each system and one of the special rounds will be longer and feature two games. So hope that are enough spoiler facts to get the gossip going :D
More to come on the weekend folks, so stay tuned ;)

[john4p]

Yay PC Engine! :great

[TheCyberDruid]

No... Yay NeoGeo! :D
Before the arguing starts... Top vote is 12, NeoGeo has 8 and the NES which is the next platform has 4. So every platform that got more than 50% of the top vote is now in ;)

[john4p]

Hmm...Akira, Blade, John, Mike, Shoon, TF and Xpect voted for it. So I repeat: yay PC Engine! :great

[TheCyberDruid]

Well I thought it was clear that the PCE was in, but if you like to party feel free to do so of course ;)

[john4p]

I thought the top 5 systems were SNES, Genesis, MAME, Neo Geo and C64 (just looked at the poll's bars regardless of who voted). Thus I emphasized on PC Engine when you announced we are going to play 6 systems.

[TheCyberDruid]

(just looked at the poll's bars regardless of who voted).

There we have the problem ;) There is a post in which you can see the 'corrected' votes : http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=540503&postcount=54.
Ah well : Yay PC Engine! Yay NeoGeo! :spin :lol :great

[john4p]

Ah, okay. Yay! :lol

[Predabot]

THE DREADED C64! 0_0

Man... never been a fan of that one. Oh well, there's always Turrican of course. ;)
Hey druid... Was it ever made clear if this time you would include the CD-add-on games in the regular consoles? Like, Sega CD and PCECD games would be elligible in a Genesis or TB16 round.

'Cause... you know... that would truly kick ass.

[TheCyberDruid]

Pssst Predabot... come a bit closer... I'm only telling you and noone else...
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=44284
Now have a look at the poll options ;) :D

[Predabot]

Oooh... now I remember... you did. And I voted several weeks ago as well! XD

*stands in corner*

[TheCyberDruid]

Time flies by I know ;) Well just to make it clear : CD games are included.

[TheCyberDruid]

First draft of the 'skeleton' for the EMPL schedule.

The rotation includes 6 platforms :

1. SNES
2. MD
3. MAME
4. C64
5. PC Engine
6. NeoGeo

We will play on each platform three times during a 'season'. After we reached the end of the first and second rotation phase there will be a special round. The special round will last three weeks.

First special round would be the 'wildcard' round, where you can vote for any game on any platform that is not in the rotation. Top two votes will be played.

Second special round will be a 'series' round. We will play two games of the same game series. You vote for the series and the two games you want to play from it (if there are more than two). This could mean that it would be cross-platform (NES and SNES for example). Votes can include games on a platform in the rotation.

After each special round there will be a one week break and after the season a two week one. To sum it up :

12 weeks rotation phase 1
3 weeks special round 1
1 week break
12 weeks rotation phase 2
3 weeks special round 2
1 week break
12 weeks rotation phase 3
2 week break
=
46 weeks for one season

M'kay guys, time for your thoughts ;)

[john4p]

Good job, man - this system is great! :bowdown :great

[TheCyberDruid]

Thanks john :)
Once the draft is kinda approved, I'll make a proper schedule thread :agree

[AmigaFriend]

I can just second what John said... Approved! :great

[TheCyberDruid]

Thanks for the feedback xpect :D A few hours until this becomes 'teh law', so if anyone else has anything to say... ;)

[john4p]

How about playing from 12pm (lunch time) Sunday to 12pm Sunday? That way someone who hadn't the opportunity to play the game could have a quick go on Sunday morning.

And blade would have a fair chance to have a last go, too.


P.S. Currently "Megaball 4" has the lead in the Super League...

[TheCyberDruid]

Might be an idea (and would make it possible that I post the new thread in time... :D). Well let's hear what the 'crowd' thinks about it (if they ever have a look here that is ;)).

[AmigaFriend]

How about playing from 12pm (lunch time) Sunday to 12pm Sunday? That way someone who hadn't the opportunity to play the game could have a quick go on Sunday morning.


I really don't mind and it's preferable to me now that you ask, because by 9pm saturday i tend to switch off my computer and quickly rush to the nearest pub to be with some chi.... hem friends (missus has sharpened the eye just now) :D

Quickly mashing the same button over and over again requires no skill. It's also healthy for neither your controller nor your sinews...

We're not playing for money here. The competitions should be fun. Of course every form of cheating is forbidden - except autofire which we had a poll about (14:1 votes for it I think).
I also don't think we should allow it for some platforms while not for others.

Enough said and said it all! Agreed 100% :great

[john4p]

Well let's hear what the 'crowd' thinks about it (if they ever have a look here that is ;)).
Well, the overwhelming majority of the crowd (about 100%) seems to agree with changing the start- and end-times. ;)

So let's change it.

[TheCyberDruid]

Well, the overwhelming majority of the crowd (about 100%) seems to agree with changing the start- and end-times. ;)

So let's change it.

No... I need at least a second opinion (or third ;)) on that matter before I change it ;) I will now mention it in the round thread, so maybe we get some feedback here :D

[AmigaFriend]

No... I need at least a second opinion (or third ;))


Did I mention that I've posted that second opinion?

I really don't mind and it's preferable to me

:D

[TheCyberDruid]

I meant in a yes/no way ;) Already noticed that you have a slight tendency towards 'yes' :D Okay, I should simply say I need more opinions...

[AmigaFriend]

I meant in a yes/no way ;) Already noticed that you have a slight tendency towards 'yes' :D Okay, I should simply say I need more opinions...


Ok, just to make it clear:


YES! :D

[TodaysForgotten]

Times don't bother me. Every league i've played it has been based on GMT +5 and either ends at midnight or lunch. Of course i'm not going to wake up at 6 am to play a final hour to get a score in. So, i try to play around a 6.5 day week or in this case 13.

[john4p]

Times don't bother me. Every league i've played it has been based on GMT +5 and either ends at midnight or lunch. Of course i'm not going to wake up at 6 am to play a final hour to get a score in. So, i try to play around a 6.5 day week or in this case 13.
Translation: YES! ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

Okay, so far we have two 'well, doesn't really matter' and one 'yes' :p

[john4p]

The EMPL seems to be dying already. Maybe it's because the current score-table doesn't look very "inviting" for new players? ;)

Since TF and xpect quit TCD and I now have an uncatchable lead (and those latter two are the only ones who've voted for the next game so far...).
Btw., if TF and xpect both had continued I'm sure they would have been the ones in this position now...

Maybe the three-rotation-schedule is too long and one season should just consist of one rotation?

How about restarting the EMPL/beginning with season 2?

[TheCyberDruid]

First of all please move john's and my post here : http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=43831. Thanks in advance ;)
Reset the scores after one rotation? No, I think that's not really going to happen john. There should be some rounds to give a better idea about it. Honestly I think (if this league should continue) we should get back to a more 'relaxed' format (3 weeks play time), since (nearly ;)) all the action junkies left and 2 week(end)s are a bit short to get into a game. Then the amount of rotations wil either be cut to 2 or the number of systems will be reduced. Just for now I want to see how many player play in each round for this rotation. It also would be nice to hear if someone who doesn't currently play in the EMPL, but wants to, can give any hints about what's holding him/her back (if anyone is really interested that is :D).

[john4p]

It also would be nice to hear if someone who doesn't currently play in the EMPL, but wants to, can give any hints about what's holding him/her back.I second that. :great

[mihcael]

For me, i dont make much of an effort for games that don't interest me, whereas in the amiga comp i mostly try to make an effort!

For this reason i like the 2 week rounds, because it means less time to wait for a new round if i dont like the current game.

[Biscuit]

Just to confuse the issue, as another part timer, time is a factor for me. Two weeks can go by very quickly, especially if I'm playing 1 or 2 other games at the time (like 1 for amiga league and 1 just for me or for c64 league). Also, I don't know about or emulate all systems. Whilst most are no problem, I've never gotten NeoGeo working on my Mac properly and haven't much patience to do it at the moment. They'll always be games that don't grab me, I'm less likely to post a score for them if I've not played that many rounds already.

[killergorilla]

*cough* EAB High Score Tables *cough*

[DamienD]

The reason for me not playing as often as I would like to is definitely down to spare time constraints :crying

Oh, and also the fact that it seems everyone votes for Turrican on any system it's available for :cheese

[TheCyberDruid]

Oh, and also the fact that it seems everyone votes for Turrican on any system it's available for :cheese

As much as I like Turrican, I have to say that I'm close to a 'no Turrican allowed' rule ;) I hope that john4p calms down on his obsession (and Retroplay for that matter :D).

[john4p]

Well, now that we've played both Mega and Super Turrican that was enough Turrican for the EMPL - even for me. ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

Good to read that john ;) With your last 'make it all Turrican' vote I was a bit worried...

[john4p]

The C64-rounds really felt out of place in the EMPL. Almost no one participated in them and no one really tried to get as far in them as in the 16-bit games.
There's also the very active Lemon64-competition (http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7) going on, so I don't think the C64 should be one of the EMPL-systems. We don't have the Amiga in it either.

But Lemon64 =/= EAB? Oh c'mon, we're one big happy family! :great


edit: Provided there will be another season of the EMPL, of course... ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

Yeah, but Akira, Asman, Biscuit, blade002, Duke, gklinger, Graham Humphrey, lopos2000, mailman, mihcael, musashi5150, nujack, TheCyberDruid and viddi voted for it... Damn, I hate democracy... er... you know :p Anyway, if there is a 'season 2', the platforms will get streamlined for sure.

[john4p]

I just saw that blade actually did participate in Katakis, together with Biscuit and mailman.
But then in Armalyte only mailman had one quick go (probably played 10 minutes ;)).

Anyway, if there is a 'season 2', the platforms will get streamlined for sure.Glad to read that! :great

Btw., C64-games could still be voted for in special rounds...

[Biscuit]

Fair point john, so we'll swap it for Spectrum then. :)

If there is interest in a season 2 I'm curious what/if any changes would happen? Any chance of more games running parallel over a longer time? It would selfishly help me take part more often.

[TheCyberDruid]

As things are, I'm not really sure there will be a season 2. Not really enough interest and since that are the most popular systems voted here, I don't expect more people to join us. There were quite a few rounds with only 2 or 3 people and 6 is about the most we get. I'm not complaining about it, but it's not really worth keeping it up this way.

[DamienD]

Above posts #149 - #153 moved here as requested by TCD ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

Cheers Damien :great

[john4p]

New Multiplatform league:

http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/forum/107-gp32-offline-gaming-league/

You don't have to play on a handheld to participate...

[TheCyberDruid]

Just seen that you lead on Super Aleste in that competition john4p :great Still don't have the time to seriously attend either the Super League or the new MPL over there, but it's still quite fun to watch the results :)

[john4p]

Super Aleste was great fun again. Found that - although weapon 2 is my favorite - you can collect significantly more points with weapon 3 (the giant orbs circling around you). Still no where near the EMPL's top scores. ;)

Would be great if you'd find the time to participate someday. :great