ISOs and e-UAE

[Madcrow]

Can ISOs be mounted as hardfiles? I've got some magazine Cover CD images and I was wondering if there's any way to actually use them short of burning real disks and recompiling e-UAE with scsi support?

[Supamax]

I suppose Daemon Tools would be what you need..
You can mount the ISO in Daemon Tools and then mount the emulated CD drive as a HD under WinUAE.

[prowler]

I suppose Daemon Tools would be what you need..
You can mount the ISO in Daemon Tools and then mount the emulated CD drive as a HD under WinUAE.

I'm not sure, but I've got an idea that Amiga filenames and attributes will stop this working properly.

[Supamax]

I'm not sure, but I've got an idea that Amiga filenames and attributes will stop this working properly.

You could be right...
I don't know the Amiga CD format, but I thought that an Amiga "ISO" CD would respect the ISO 9600 standard.
Probably, the ISO 9600 standard permits Amiga filenames while Windows doesn't... :(

[prowler]

You could be right...
I don't know the Amiga CD format, but I thought that an Amiga "ISO" CD would respect the ISO 9600 standard.

I think Amiga CDs incorporate either Joliet or (more likely) RockRidge extensions.

[TheCyberDruid]

Daemon Tools works perfectly fine with Amiga CDs (CD32 and CDTV too). I would say the bigger problem would be that Daemon Tools is only available for Window and since the question is about eUAE... ;)
Maybe this is useful for MadCrow : http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic483.html

[Supamax]

Daemon Tools works perfectly fine with Amiga CDs (CD32 and CDTV too). I would say the bigger problem would be that Daemon Tools is only available for Window and since the question is about eUAE... ;)

eUAE!!! I didn't pay attention :banghead
Perhaps a similar program for Linux exists...

[prowler]

Perhaps a similar program for Linux exists...

Yep. TCD's link gives the details. ;)

[Supamax]

Yep. TCD's link gives the details. ;)

I didn't pay attention again! :banghead:banghead
I'm better than this, usually :D.

[TheCyberDruid]

Oh and in case that MadCrow uses a Mac : http://osxdaily.com/2008/04/22/easily-mount-an-iso-in-mac-os-x/ ;)

[prowler]

Hi TCD,

Can we expect a TCD's E-UAE Configuration FAQ thread any time soon? ;)

prowler

[TheCyberDruid]

Nope ;) I won't deal with that too :D
Actually I'm not even sure if MadCrow haven't tried that already, so let's wait for his feedback :)

[prowler]

Actually I'm not even sure if MadCrow haven't tried that already, so let's wait for his feedback :)

:great ...and you know I was only joking about the FAQ. ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

:great ...and you know I was only joking about the FAQ. ;)

Aye, I noticed it ;)

[Madcrow]

eUAE!!! I didn't pay attention :banghead
Perhaps a similar program for Linux exists...
It's called "# mount -o loop" still, I was hoping to avoid such skullduggery. Looks like that's impossible ;)

[TheCyberDruid]

Well you don't have to burn them. Maybe you can find a nice small frontend that can mount ISOs via Google? :)

[Madcrow]

Well you don't have to burn them. Maybe you can find a nice small frontend that can mount ISOs via Google? :)
It's not the commandline I mind. It's the possibility of non-standard image and/or on-disk formats that can lead things like this to begin... Still, it looks like AmigaOS used normal, standard ISO filesystems on their CD, unlike the Mac-ites who used their HD filesystem on CD...

[Madcrow]

Bah. The CD mounts, but it forgets all the Amiga permission bits, meaning that nothing will actually run off the CD. I'm seriously considering dusting off my freebie student license of Windows 2003 and doing a little Windows install just to get this working.

[prowler]

I'm seriously considering dusting off my freebie student license of Windows 2003 and doing a little Windows install just to get this working.

If it's only access to the Cover CD images you're after, then surely it's got to be worth it?

[TheCyberDruid]

Bah. The CD mounts, but it forgets all the Amiga permission bits, meaning that nothing will actually run off the CD. I'm seriously considering dusting off my freebie student license of Windows 2003 and doing a little Windows install just to get this working.

Sounds like a plan then :agree Like I said it works fine with Daemon Tools and WinUAE :) Sad to hear it such a pain with eUAE tough :(

[Madcrow]

e-UAE in general is a PITA. It's developers just plain lost interest in it, leaving it with a VERY unfinished UI and code from the WinUAE 1.3/1.4 era...

Also, Daemon Tools is actually a more sophisticated tool than the Linux mounting system, in that Daemon Tools creates an actual virtual disk drive that responds to commands like a real disk drive, while Unix mounting systems simply make files available to the user in the directory tree. In theory a real virtual drive should be possible in Linux but I don't think anyone's done it yet.

[alanwall]

Can ISOs be mounted as hardfiles? I've got some magazine Cover CD images and I was wondering if there's any way to actually use them short of burning real disks and recompiling e-UAE with scsi support?
If you are using Linux, then you can mount the ISO with this program:
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Mount-ISO-image-2216.shtm
And if Windows, try UltaISO-it's FREE

[Madcrow]

I gave up on trying to make e-UAE work the way I want it... I now have a Windows partition that exists for the sole purpose of Amiga emulation...

[prowler]

I now have a Windows partition that exists for the sole purpose of Amiga emulation...

This is the only realistic option when WinUAE is the finest Amiga emulator there is.

[Madcrow]

This is the only realistic option when WinUAE is the finest Amiga emulator there is.
Indeed. Stil, I wish I didn't have to... I even tried WinUAE in Wine to avoid having to reinstall Windows, but it didn't work very well at all. I couldn't even get decent emulation speeds of A500 through Wine.

[TheCyberDruid]

There are some threads about Wine here. In the last post of this one (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=39275) mark_k mentions something about filters. Maybe this is useful and you can get rid of Windows again ;)

[OddbOd]

In case anyone comes across this thread at some point in the future, the only way to mount CD images under Linux the same way as Daemon Tools/Alcohol/etc. is to use CDemu (http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/). The trick is in the fact that CDemu uses a kernel module to emulate a SCSI optical drive so you must ensure that E-UAE has SCSI support compiled in for it to work.

As an aside I have been unable to find a comparable device emulator for OS X, and before anyone repeats an obviously bogus answer, using hdiutil doesn't do the job.

[gklinger]

As an aside I have been unable to find a comparable device emulator for OS X, and before anyone repeats an obviously bogus answer, using hdiutil doesn't do the job.
Why would you need an OS X equivalent to CDemu? (Not a rhetorical question.) Frankly, this whole thread is bizarre. It's not E-UAE's fault if someone can't mount an ISO. :(

[Jerry]

Why would you need an OS X equivalent to CDemu? (Not a rhetorical question.) Frankly, this whole thread is bizarre. It's not E-UAE's fault if someone can't mount an ISO. :(

This is not about mounting isos to access just the files, which is quite straight forward nowadays. This is more about getting low level access to the device (ie. to sector level) which is often needed to get copy-protections (ok, isos cannot store these anyway) or to use native filesystems 'inside' (to circumvent file attribute conversions on the host system) an emulator. This is actually more easy on windows, but CDemu seems to (should be able to) do the job. So thanks to OddbOd for pointing in that direction. Have to try it out on the next rainy weekend.

[Madcrow]

I tried CDemu actually. It wouldn't mount any of the images I tossed at it, it managed to find an error for all of them, even ones that the native mounting system on Linux and Daemon Tools on windows had no problem with.

[Jerry]

Strange,
works fine here at a quick test. Tried cd/dvd isos and a ccd, and all is as expected. Have to try if the copy protection works in wine as soon as I have a bit more time :).