BITS demos.

[SoLo2]

Hello!


BITS is a scene group
working in Assembler, C, Java, ...
different Processors and Systems.

We program anything:
demos, tools, apps, games, ...

Here I announce the first 3
BITS demos for Amiga500.
Use conventional chip memory.

http://thebitsclub.tripod.com/BITS500-AMIGA-20070202.ZIP
http://thebitsclub.tripod.com/BITS501-AMIGA-20060419.ZIP
http://thebitsclub.tripod.com/BITS502-AMIGA-20080329.ZIP

Also available in Aminet.


Bye,
SoLo2

[TheCyberDruid]

Hi SoLo2,

welcome to the EAB :)
That sounds interesting :agree Unfortunately the Tripod hosted files cannot be downloaded :( Can you give us the links to the files on Aminet?

[StingRay]

To avoid wasting your time you might want to check the comments on pouet:

Bits 500 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=20936)
Bits 501 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=24573)
Bits 502 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=50203)

;)

[TheCyberDruid]

To avoid wasting your time you might want to check the comments on pouet:

Bits 500 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=20936)
Bits 501 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=24573)
Bits 502 (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=50203)

;)

Oh they're that good? Well then, thanks for the warning StingRay ;) :D

[StingRay]

Oh they're that good? Well then, thanks for the warning StingRay ;) :D

I wonder why SoLo2 didn't post the pouet links. :D This (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=34798) is my favourite Bits demo :D:D:D

[TheCyberDruid]

That screen is the whole demo??? Either these guys have a strange kind of humour or they just suck... :p

[StingRay]

Yes it is. :) They also release their "nice" demos on other platforms, the Atari scene loves them too f.e. :P

[Leffmann]

Everyone has to start somewhere. Keep the coding up!

Less elitism, more encouragement :)

[StingRay]

Everyone has to start somewhere. Keep the coding up!

Less elitism, more encouragement :)

While I fully agree you should know that these Bits dudes are around for quite some time already and there's no real improvement to be seen in their demos. ;)

[_ThEcRoW]

At least, they are coding...

[musashi5150]

I'm with you Sting :)

[StingRay]

At least, they are coding...

So am I but I don't release every silly test effect I might have made. ;)

[Hewitson]

These are hilarious.. Don't even work with fast ram :laughing

How about the C64 character displayer! :laughing:laughing

[StingRay]

These are hilarious.. Don't even work with fast ram :laughing

How about the C64 character displayer! :laughing:laughing

The DOS character displayer (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=51227) is cool too :D

[TheCyberDruid]

The DOS character displayer (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=51227) is cool too :D

Damn, I should really start coding 'demos' now :laughing

[Rabbit80]

@SoLo2

Welcome to EAB!!!

Sorry that these guys are making fun of you - at least you are trying!!! My programming skills are dreadful and my imagination is piss poor as well....

@TCD/StingRay/Hewitson

Give the guy a break - its not nice to be ridiculed as soon as you join a forum!!! At least he is making an effort.... Not everybody is good at programming - I for example could not do any coding AT ALL in Asm, C or Java

[StingRay]

@TCD/StingRay/Hewitson

Give the guy a break - its not nice to be ridiculed as soon as you join a forum!!! At least he is making an effort.... Not everybody is good at programming - I for example could not do any coding AT ALL in Asm, C or Java

You call producing things like displaying chars on screen an effort? Seriously, gimme a break! And considered that these guys are around for more than 3 years already and STILL come up with things like that, what do you expect?

Sure, not everyone is good at programming and there's nothing wrong with that. But releasing "demos" like these is just plain ridiculous IMHO.

[musashi5150]

Maybe you could make WHDLoad installs for them Sting? :great

[TheCyberDruid]

Maybe you could make WHDLoad installs for them Sting? :great

:laughing Good one musashi :D

@Rabbit80
It's no problem if you are not good at coding stuff or just learning, but if you release stuff as finished to the public you should be prepared to get some feedback ;) I make music with trackers and other programs for over 10 years now and have just uploaded 3 'songs' to the public. I finished about 100 songs and made way more that are still unfinished. Maybe you should learn first and then release. That's what we're talking about :agree If they consider displaying all C64 characters on screen a demo I say they are probably doing something wrong ;)

[Rabbit80]

You call producing things like displaying chars on screen an effort? Seriously, gimme a break! And considered that these guys are around for more than 3 years already and STILL come up with things like that, what do you expect?

Sure, not everyone is good at programming and there's nothing wrong with that. But releasing "demos" like these is just plain ridiculous IMHO.

Maybe they shouldn't have been released as demo's - but I know that I cannot do the char grid in a program in under 512 bytes...

I'm pretty sure that you guys can though?

[TheCyberDruid]

I'm pretty sure that you guys can though?

Iterate through the ascii codes in 512 bytes should be doable.

[StingRay]

Maybe you could make WHDLoad installs for them Sting? :great

Haha, at least they would work on Amigas with Fastram then :D On the other hand, I would have to watch them again so I'll pass. :D


I'm pretty sure that you guys can though?


Things like that are totally trivial to do. I wouldn't even bother coding something like that, let alone release it as "demo".

[Dizzy]

Give the guy a break - its not nice to be ridiculed as soon as you join a forum!!! At least he is making an effort.... Not everybody is good at programming - I for example could not do any coding AT ALL in Asm, C or Java

well he don't even bother to show up again (after the first post), to give a reply, and tell if this is a joke or not.
But can only agree with those other guys, if you want to code demos you should start learning before releasing stuff. I can't do anything else but a bit basic stuff, and I wouldn't bother anyone with the shit I made.

@TCD please give me a link to your stuff. I could paint some pictures to the tunes, so we could make a demo out of it :D

[TheCyberDruid]

@TCD please give me a link to your stuff. I could paint some pictures to the tunes, so we could make a demo out of it :D

Look at the homepage in my profile here ;) Yeah and it would be nice to see your paintings :D :great

[Rabbit80]

well he don't even bother to show up again (after the first post), to give a reply, and tell if this is a joke or not.
But can only agree with those other guys, if you want to code demos you should start learning before releasing stuff. I can't do anything else but a bit basic stuff, and I wouldn't bother anyone with the shit I made.
:D

Would you bother to show up again after getting slated in that way???? I know that I would probably be quite offended after seeing some of the comments here!

I agree that the demo's are **** (Insert expletive as necessary), however I dont think SoLo2 needs slating for it... He is making an effort to learn after all - and perhaps he should be encouraged instead? Maybe it would be more constructive to give hime some advice on how he can make good demo's? Perhaps that is the reason he is releasing the demo's even?

[Dizzy]

Look at the homepage in my profile here ;)

where ???

[musashi5150]

Then I could slap a mod player and scroller into it and we would have the best demoscreen EVER :D

[Dizzy]

Would you bother to show up again after getting slated in that way???? I know that I would probably be quite offended after seeing some of the comments here!


Well as I said he hasn't been here since making th e first post, so he only knows TCDs reply


Hi SoLo2,

welcome to the EAB :)
That sounds interesting :agree Unfortunately the Tripod hosted files cannot be downloaded :( Can you give us the links to the files on Aminet?


so he wouldn't know about the other comments, unless he visit as a guest..

[TheCyberDruid]

Here you go Dizzy :
http://evilboxproductionz.com/members/?L=users.profile&id=TheCyberDruid
;)

[Rabbit80]

so he wouldn't know about the other comments, unless he visit as a guest..

Unless he is subscribed to this thread and recieves email notifications???

[TheCyberDruid]

Unless he is subscribed to this thread and recieves email notifications???

If he would appreciate advice he could have told us that now. So what do you suggest Rabbit? Should we all delete our posts?

[StingRay]

He is making an effort to learn after all - and perhaps he should be encouraged instead? Maybe it would be more constructive to give hime some advice on how he can make good demo's? Perhaps that is the reason he is releasing the demo's even?


When I told him that his demos don't run on Amigas with fastram and his next demos have exactly the problem I wouldn't call that "effort to learn"...

[Rabbit80]

If he would appreciate advice he could have told us that now. So what do you suggest Rabbit? Should we all delete our posts?

It's a bit late for that now...

I just think in future you should maybe be a little more considerate to peoples feelings... especially when you do not know them - or how they would react!

Its not a plesant experience having people publicly laugh AT you - especially when its for something where you have geuinely tried your hardest!

Enough said!

[Dizzy]

Unless he is subscribed to this thread and recieves email notifications???

guess most use the standard ;)

[StingRay]

Its not a plesant experience having people publicly laugh AT you - especially when its for something where you have geuinely tried your hardest!


And you of course know the BITS people personally so you know they tried their hardest, right?

[Dizzy]

Then I could slap a mod player and scroller into it and we would have the best demoscreen EVER :D

Cool :)

We should call it "TITS Demos" :laughing

[Rabbit80]

And you of course know the BITS people personally so you know they tried their hardest, right?

No

I'm not arguing about it anymore - so I offer no further response.

[TheCyberDruid]

Then I could slap a mod player and scroller into it and we would have the best demoscreen EVER :D

Cool :)

We should call it "TITS Demos" :laughing

Yeah guys :great Let's do it then :spin :lol

[_ThEcRoW]

So, can you guys please port GTAIV to the classic line of Amiga computers?. This shouldn't be much effort on your part, is a fact that you are geniuses...

[_ThEcRoW]

Ah, i forgot to say only asm, please. No high level languages, because they aren't as cool as asm.

[musashi5150]

No need to be a pratt about it :agree

[StingRay]

So, can you guys please port GTAIV to the classic line of Amiga computers?. This shouldn't be much effort on your part, is a fact that you are geniuses...

Which drugs to you take? This is the most stupid post I've read in a LONG time. Congrats. :)

[Dizzy]

Which drugs to you take?

OTS (http://eab.abime.net/forumdisplay.php?f=98)

:laughing :laughing

[StingRay]

OTS (http://eab.abime.net/forumdisplay.php?f=98)

:laughing :laughing

Right :lol:lol:lol

[TheCyberDruid]

OTS (http://eab.abime.net/forumdisplay.php?f=98)

:laughing :laughing

Never had a headache afterwards :D
However if you can't read it for a day... :shocked Quite addictive (for strange folks like me :p)

[skan]

So Sting, already done with the GTA4 port?
Great!!! I demand Gran Turismo 5 now!

68k/OCS, of course! ;)

[DamienD]

This thread is getting way out of control...

I must say that I'm shocked at some of the comments here. Just because somebody isn't as good a coder as some of you are doesn't mean you should publicly flame the hell out of any work that they do. Everybody needs to start somewhere, so what if it's taking them longer to come to grips with things that you consider easy. People learn at their own pace / ability...

Some of the "elitist" attitude displayed here is absolutely appalling, arrogant and not to mention very discouraging to anybody just trying to have a go :sad

There's that old saying: "if you don't have anything positive to say then say nothing at all". Enough is enough :agree

[skan]

@DamienD

Well, demoscene is all about 1337-ism, arrogance and things like that.
If you cannot stand/face it, you're obviously playing in the wrong field. Quite simple! ;)

Oh, IMHO of course! :P

[Dizzy]

Well, demoscene is all about 1337-ism, arrogance and things like that.
If you cannot stand/face it, you're obviously playing in the wrong field. Quite simple! ;)

Oh, IMHO of course! :P

:laughing :laughing

You got a point there :laughing

[TheCyberDruid]

Okay Damien I see your point. So can someone post working links to the A500 demos? Both the links in the first post aswell as the links on Pouet aren't working. I only saw the demos from 2005, so maybe these ones are better. I still have to say that making a 'demo' which only shows the characters of the system on a single screen is in my opinion not a demo and when you decide to release it you'll surely get some feedback. I wish that SoLo2 would show up and explain why they were making it.

[DamienD]

Well, demoscene is all about 1337-ism, arrogance and things like that.
Great, I'm sooooo glad that I'm not part of it then :agree

If you cannot stand/face it, you're obviously playing in the wrong field. Quite simple! ;)
What I (and other moderators) cannot stand is constant flaming on EAB. This is a friendly, inviting place. If you guys want to flame each other then please do it on other forums and not here...

[skan]

Great, I'm sooooo glad that I'm not part of it then :agree


Good for you! :)

What I (and other moderators) cannot stand is constant flaming on EAB. This is a friendly, inviting place. If you guys want to flame each other then please do it on other forums and not here...

Ok. So Solo2 just posted in the wrong place. His fault, not ours! ;D


;end of sarcasm

On a serious note, some of the replies might seem rude, but IF you were part of the scene (and you just stated you are proud of being not), you'd know the reason why. Or maybe not. Dunno. Who gives a f00k anyway! We're just a bunch of old farts playing kindergarden jokes in the end! ;)

[StingRay]

What I (and other moderators) cannot stand is constant flaming on EAB. This is a friendly, inviting place. If you guys want to flame each other then please do it on other forums and not here...

There is a difference between flaming and stating an opinion. But if you prefer people that applaud everything, no matter how bad it is (and face it, the BITS demos ARE bad) then so be it.

[Graham Humphrey]

StingRay I swear you deliberately miss the point sometimes.

Yes - you are, of course, free to state if something isn't very good. Fine. But really, deliberately setting out to humiliate them and slag them off just isn't on. And that is clearly what you, amongst others, are doing. Now constructive criticism is great, heck, even a bit of banter and a joke is good, but I think to do it the way you have is going too far. It's still a lot of effort to learn how to code in the first place (heck, I only program in Blitz Basic so God knows what that makes me) and being considerate to other peoples' feelings really isn't much to ask.

I think Damien and Rabbit80's earlier comments are spot on. All involved cut it out please and take your worthless, arrogant and elitist comments elsewhere.

[Hewitson]

The DOS character displayer (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=51227) is cool too :D
:laughing:laughing:laughing

[skan]

StingRay I swear you deliberately miss the point sometimes.


How very funny. He seems not to be the only one here.

[Graham Humphrey]

No, you're right, you're missing the point too (and the rest of my post, curiously...?)

I'm sorry, but demo scene elitism or whatever has no place here, there isn't an excuse for it. End of. Any more and this thread will be locked.

[Hewitson]

Graham you are overreacting to a ridiculous level. Someone posted a couple of hilarious "demos" and we had a laugh about it. Big deal.

[skan]

Graham you are overreacting to a ridiculous level. Someone posted a couple of hilarious "demos" and we had a laugh about it. Big deal.

Shhhht!!! Or the Gods will lock the thread!
(who's the arrogant elitist in the end? ;)

Someone is really hopeless...'nuff said! kthxbye!

[Rabbit80]

@Graham & DamienD

Thanks - I had enough of the flame war that was starting here. Its completely unfair to new members to slag them off without knowing either them or their abilities. Its good to see that the mods on this forum will step in when necessary to prevent these things getting out of control!

[Galahad/FLT]

No, you're right, you're missing the point too (and the rest of my post, curiously...?)

I'm sorry, but demo scene elitism or whatever has no place here, there isn't an excuse for it. End of. Any more and this thread will be locked.

I think quite a few are missing the point here.

It didn't start off as being 'elitist' in the first place, Stingray quite rightly pointed out the flaws in these intros/demos where they wouldn't correctly work on the machines they were supposed to work on, there was nothing elitist about that, merely constructive criticism.

The 'elitist' part only came into play when it was clearly obvious that the person responsible for the intros/demos didn't want to hear about how a couple of lines of code could fix them.

Sure, the topic has degenerated somewhat, but there has to be give and take.

Someone put their work up for appraisal, and it was naivety to expect everyone to roundly pat them on the back and say 'well done'.

Personally, I couldn't care less if the BITS demos/intros are hopeless and primitive, but the very least I would expect, is if an experienced coder gives them a heads up to at least ensure that their code works on all Amigas, they should have the decency to listen.

Well, thats my two cents worth.

[StingRay]

StingRay I swear you deliberately miss the point sometimes.


Someone is indeed missing the point here, I just wonder if it's really me... What you seem to forget, these demos were released as scene productions so they are judged as that! Where's the point to praise them like they are the best thing since sliced bread when they aren't good at all, neither from a technical nor from an artistic point of view? It would be a completely different thing if these demos would have been released here at EAB f.e. (as some sort of "hey folks, look what I've made" sort of thing), you can be 1000% sure that I would have reacted totally different then because THEN it would have been elitist to slag them off. But as said, these are SCENE productions and the BITS dudes consider themselves to be part of the scene so they know the rules!

Anyway, feel free to lock this thread, it won't make the BITS demos any better and it wouldn't make me praise them either.

All involved cut it out please and take your worthless, arrogant and elitist comments elsewhere.

And how is this NOT arrogant and elitist? Who are you to judge if comments are "worthless, arrogant and elitist"? Just because you don't agree (and apparently don't understand how certain things work) doesn't give you any right to call comments worthless.

[Jope]

Let's keep scene talk in pouet and other scene forums then..

The demoscene is all about fame and competition. These days it's not as bad as in the early 90s (no fistfights between rival groups / personalities at parties any more), but the competition is still there.

If you release test routine demos, then this is the response you will get from people who expect quality. Release it "seriously" (like this appears to be) and it is an insult to the other guys who pride on quality. Don't make fun of something where other people work hard to achieve good results. If you can't code yet, learn to code and then release, that's what is expected of everyone else too. I don't see much of a statement in releasing stuff that is well behind everyone else either.. It does raise the entry threshold, but that is no different to any other competitive hobby.. You don't go into the olympics after your first long jump attempt either, you just do not qualify.

Unfortunately there is no time machine that will teleport newcomers to 1987 when people were still amazed to see colourful copperbars on their screen and nobody knew how to make use of the hardware yet. They just have to practice behind the scenes until they're ready to compete.

Anyone who's been around that community will know this and shouldn't throw a hissy fit when he gets the expected response after releasing shit. Reading this thread, it's not the OP who has a problem with the reaction given, but other forum dwellers who feel pity on the OP.

This thread doesn't really have a place in here though - this is EAB, which I believe is not primarily a demoscene hangout, even though there is some overlap, so let's just lock it and move on to EAB style topics.

[Dizzy]

@jope :great :agree
Very very good point :)

[Graham Humphrey]

Right, this will be the last post on this thread (unless of course another mod decides to unlock it...)

In fairness some people have made good points here - yes, I do indeed understand that if you offered advice to someone and they didn't even bother to listen that would annoy you, of course it would. And no, I'm not part of the demo scene so I don't really understand how it works. But that is still no excuse for the comments and the attitude on this thread. As we have seen all it does is create hostility where there doesn't need to be any and we end up in the sad situation where I have to lock the thread.

As Damien and I have said, regardless of what goes on elsewhere, we don't want this sort of thing spreading to EAB. And as I also said - I never said to give things praise regardless of quality, in fact I think it'd be a sad day if this ever happened, I said you should be respectful at least, even if you don't feel the other parties involved have been as it only makes things so much worse.

If anyone has any comments/questions then please feel free to PM me.