Rainbow Islands Update

[bippym]

Hi Guys

After chatting with Horace for a bit he has rekindled my asm and I have decided to add a trainer, and support for a 2nd button/cd32 to rainbow islands!

I have already discovered quite a bit, and training it will be easy, I just wanna know what you wanna see added.

I can already train lives, add all upgrades (shoes, 2,3,4 rainbows and fast rainbows) and I can collect the diamonds, and I think in the correct order too ;)

So tell me

[mrbob2]

May sound daft but can you (or maybe you already have) an option to stop the evil water level from rising? ta

[killergorilla]

Can you add the levels from the arcade version please. ;)

[bippym]

Can you add the levels from the arcade version please. ;)

You don't want much then eh ;)

If I can figure the game out properly including the mapping, enemy ai etc then I suppose it's possible.. Too ambitious right now tho :P

[Hungry Horace]

ooohh... mapping.... = future level editor??

you'd need to have it be able to read exported map files though...

[frikilokooo]

Can you make a second part with the graphics of this clone?

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[/U]http://www.mameworld.net/maws/romset/jumping

[bippym]

For now i'm going to add support for 2ndbutton and train it..

[Boo Boo]

For now i'm going to add support for 2ndbutton and train it..

2ndButton Jump? all the jumping in the game its crappy pressing Up all the time.

[bippym]

Yeah button 2 for jump :) and cd32 pad support, tho I reckon it'll be for trainer options ;)

[Hungry Horace]

personally i prefer using up to jump. even on a pad.

its quad-rainbows that i'm interested in!

[Graham Humphrey]

personally i prefer using up to jump. even on a pad.

Masochist :cheese

[bippym]

personally i prefer using up to jump. even on a pad.

its quad-rainbows that i'm interested in!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bippym1975/Rainbow%20Islands%20-%20Rainbows.avi

[Hungry Horace]

cool x 5000

[bippym]

a quick update. I've trained lives and credits so far.

I can also force 1,2,3 or 4 rainbows as well as fast feet and rainbows. I can also change the frequency that specials are dropped. It is set to 3 by default. I can also change or force certain items to be revealed from the ground.

Also i have written a routine that forces any gem dropped to be the next gem needed. I still haven't figured out what i need to do to force the game to show the secret room. Not figured out the times yet for water. It's proving to be a bitch. Any idea's or anyone knows where the routine is please give me a shout.

[-Rob-]

When water hits you, you die..
Try tracking what routine is taking 1 life from you. Then see what calls this routine, and keep tracking back, that might help you.. ?

[bippym]

All bonus counters are found and mapped, and can be changed ;)

Working on "Forcing" a bonus of users choice :D

[bippym]

is there actually any interest in this?

If not i'll look for another game. Will be a shame now i've almost figured out the bonus system

[killergorilla]

I personally love this game to bits, I don't normally use any trainers to be honest (I never get very far) but I'm sure I would if there were that level of choice!

[Marlon]

I personally love this game to bits, I don't normally use any trainers to be honest (I never get very far) but I'm sure I would if there were that level of choice!
I'm certainly interested! Although more in the two-button support than anything else. More Amiga games should be re-hacked to add extra button support imo

[Hungry Horace]

very interested of course bip ;)

one of the best amiga games around

[bippym]

the 2 button support should be simple to add. Cd32 support wont be needed i don't think as the game only needs a jump button.

The trainer will hopefully be nice and big lol

[Dizzy]

good project bippy :D

R.I. rox :laughing

[bippym]

cheers guys

[redblade]

A boss trainer option would be great, so I can start against the vampire boss on island 3 with just one rainbow and slow speed. I love fighting that boss.

would be good to if you could just fight the boss's.

Perhaps you can add a feature where you play as a different character say a sun from island 4 or one of the guns.

[bippym]

Err..

Boss trainer would be simple I guess, just remove his energy ;)

As for the rest.. err!!!!

(I'll get back to this as soon as my life is back to as-normal-as possible)

[TheCyberDruid]

Err..

Boss trainer would be simple I guess, just remove his energy ;)

As for the rest.. err!!!!

(I'll get back to this as soon as my life is back to as-normal-as possible)

Hi bippym,

he meant a trainer that allows you to jump to each boss right from the start. Like the starting level options in other trainers.
I hope your life gets back to normal soon.

[oneshotdead]

Can you make a second part with the graphics of this clone?

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[/u]http://www.mameworld.net/maws/romset/jumping

That character sprite looks utterly fricking retarded. If you revise this for CD32, do NOT use those graphics.

I consider myself a master of both the Amiga/ST and arcade versions, and I can state unequivocally, that the MAME experience is perfection.

There is really no reason for a remake (Graftgold did a superb conversion, even on the ST!).

But good luck with your revision, anyway!

[Hungry Horace]

an AGA version with the extra levels, based on the amiga code could be better than the arcade ;)

the amiga version and arcade versions feel almost the same anyway... except i prefer the amiga speed, and using up to jump (although i've only ever played on mame)

[oneshotdead]

Differences I recall between Amiga and arcade:

Arcade is fullscreen (I love this).
Enemy AI is more intelligent.
Each Island-map has a horizontal map below it, showing round-progression.
The character sprite jumps higher (there are still two jump heights), but this makes collapsing rainbows from under an enemy much more dangerous.
You can't collapse rainbows as quickly - collision detection is slightly different on Amiga/ST, and in this game this is major issue since there are so many sprites.
In platformless rounds, on Amiga/ST you can hold the joystick in the diagonally-up position and cast rainbows to essentially "fly" up through the level, hoping for the best/taking advantage of invincibility after life-loss. This is not as easy in arcade (two buttons and again jump height).
Obviously, the extra Islands.

AGA? This game does not need more colours, IMHO. The palette is perfect.
The only thing I never really liked about the game was the in-game tune.

Incidentally, has anyone ever played the PC-Engine version? I would be interested in checking it out.

[Hungry Horace]

but so many of those are un-needed / unnoticable. perhaps some of them are so subtle, that's they contribute to why the amiga version feels better, not worse.

AGA? This game does not need more colours, IMHO. The palette is perfect.

the original authors did not think so, and an enhanced version was planned but sadly shelved as i recall.

many games dont need more colours, but its still nice to have them.

[oneshotdead]

The Amiga version does not feel better than the arcade, IMO: the arcade version is supreme.

I did not know an AGA version was planned. Most of the AGA versions of games have unimpressed me, and I would imagine such a version would be made merely to cash in on the name, rather than to render it visually "better" (like many of the others).

A more important addition, instead of just making it more colourful, would have been to make it fullscreen/increase sprite-size, IMO...

[Retro-Nerd]

Any news Bippy? I would love to test the 2nd button/trainer features. :)

[Hungry Horace]

if bippy has the source handy (and well commented / documented) i would be happy to tidy it up enough to make it release-worthy (i hope!)

[Venku Skirata]

Hi Bippy,

I'd also like to test your trainer so far. especially i'm interested in the Gem-Trainer. An In-Game-Option that turns on the counter, that you collected the small gems in the correct order on an island would be fantastic. :bowdown

there is a cheat for that in the mame emulator for the arcade game and with it, you get the big gem after defeating the island boss. you need to collect all big gems in the right order to win the game, so a trainer for the small gem counter would be a stunner. Hope u read this some time

[Kitty]

Bippy sounds great would love all these mentioned features especially button to jump and 4 rainbows and speedyfeet! :-D I look forward to it ;-)

[killergorilla]

Remember that Bip hasn't posted in this thread in over a year :)

[TheCyberDruid]

I know that Horace would like to have a look, if Bippy doesn't have the time to do it himself. Hopefully Bippy will consider that :)

[Hungry Horace]

i would indeed :)

even just some research notes would be of use - i could start over with the source JOTD kindly provided in the archive

[Boo Boo]

Strangley the second button in this games is the same as button one I wonder if they had intended to make it Jump - and theres a lot of Jumping in this Game.

[bippym]

Hey guys.. I kinda didn't get this finshed did I :/ There's so much too it, took me weeks to figure just a bit of it out.. I'll either try and find all my information and pass to Horace or I'll finish it off :)

[TheCyberDruid]

Thanks for the update Bippy :great

[Kitty]

Glad Bippy is still on the case ;-)

[daxb]

Rainbow Islands needs a trainer. I never finished it and nowadays I`m not good enough and no time for that. :D

[Venku Skirata]

there is a good trainer by rob/flashtro. it just needs ingame keys like turn on all gems cheat, 4x rainbow, speed etc

[bippym]

This is better. Trust me.. I have figured most of it out ;)

[Hungry Horace]

if you sit on it for another 18 months though Bippy, i will start making my own investigations ;)

[bippym]

Here's what I have on my pc. I have far more written in a pad somewhere but it's a start Horace.. Please credit me in the slave

[Hungry Horace]

Please credit me in the slave


as if i would do anything but ;)

thanks Bip

@ everyone else, give me some time :D

[TheCyberDruid]

@ everyone else, give me some time :D

Fingers crossed for a nice christmas gift :D

[Hungry Horace]

even drunk i ama finding the info here of interest :D

[bippym]

lol somewhere I have more info.. Depends if I can find it

[bippym]

How's it going Horace... Gimme a shout if you need anything.. I am feeling that asm time-bomb ticking inside ;)

[pmc]

I am feeling that asm time-bomb ticking inside ;)


/offtopic on

You should code a demo to scratch that itch bippy! :)

/offtopic off

[Venku Skirata]

already finished the trainer??? :agree:confused:great

[Hungry Horace]

i will not be working on anything myself until at least December the 27th!

[Venku Skirata]

:bowdown:bowdown:bowdown

no time for excuses any more @horace and bip... give us your trainer before the new year starts!

[Hungry Horace]

demands will always make me turn my attentions elsewhere ;)

and I doubt i will have anything playable before the New Year i expect, sorry

[Venku Skirata]

hi bip,

did you find the additional info, that you had already found out? maybe rob/flashtro will take a look at the game too and optimize his trainer :great

[Hungry Horace]

work has started on the trainer for the WHDload slave, thanks to Bippy's notes.

However, i have to work out a sensible method of 'implementation' as there are a lot of possibilities here.

Bippy - if you have any others (like info on the joystick inputs) that would be great as it might save me a bit of time :)

[Venku Skirata]

Lives Counter for Player 1 is at E6D3

[Hungry Horace]

in the versions Bippy and i have tested with, Player 1 address is $e330, usually stored in D0, and lives is found at 6(a0)

[Kitty]

I think joystick inputs would be more helpfull to Horace ;)

[bippym]

work has started on the trainer for the WHDload slave, thanks to Bippy's notes.

However, i have to work out a sensible method of 'implementation' as there are a lot of possibilities here.

Bippy - if you have any others (like info on the joystick inputs) that would be great as it might save me a bit of time :)

I was concentrating on figuring out how the bonus system worked, and never got as far as the joy routines i'm afraid.

How much have you got done?

[Hungry Horace]

How much have you got done?


er... answered elsewhere ;)

[Venku Skirata]

any news on the case? :p

[whiteb]

any news on the case? :p

# Rainbow Islands, 2 Button Support & Trainer - Not started yet 6.5.2010 Hungry Horace

[Hungry Horace]

sorry guys, but i work on an as-and-when, not to demand ;)

i am working on some other updates at the mo which have priority.

[Venku Skirata]

anything new on the case? :confused

[Kitty]

I doubt this will happen now Venku, coders have other commitments at this moment in time, maybe someone else may pick it up in the near future :confused

[Venku Skirata]

Hi Guys,

seems The Trainer project on Rainbow Islands is a longer thing, than anyone expected. Maybe some new boardmembers have the time to help bippy/horace/rob?

cheers venku