EAB/Lemon Super League General Discussion

[Graham Humphrey]

Not sure if this thread will get much use, but I think it would be a good idea anyway.

Seeing as I've decided to keep the Results thread locked for the sake of tidiness, there isn't anywhere we can have a chat about the Games League in general, I thought it would be good if we had a separate thread to discuss general League-related matters.

So if you want to talk about the results, standings, previous rounds, general banter, general queries about the competiton (or this thread ;) ), anything really as long as it doesn't stray too far off-topic, this is the thread to do it. :)

[Shoonay]

Me wants all the qoutes to be written using the one and only - fixedsys font! :D

[Graham Humphrey]

Trust Shoonay to get the first reply in :lol

For the last time - THAT QUOTE IS IN FIXEDSYS! ARE YOU NEVER SATISFIED?

:D

[Shoonay]

Satisfied? When I'm gonna have a FIXED SIS! :D

[Graham Humphrey]

/me dies of disbelief

[DamienD]

Well done with organising / maintaining all of this Graham :bowdown

[Graham Humphrey]

Cheers for the kind words Damien, it's nice to know my work is appreciated ;)

[VermillioN]

Well done with organising / maintaining all of this Graham :bowdown
Yup.. you iz da man Graham :great

[Haakon]

So this is the thread where i can state that I am EXTREMELY happy to have beaten musashi5150, Shoonay and Mad-Matt in round one. :D

Whohay, i got 1 point..... :crazy

Btw, very good work Graham! :bowdown

[Shoonay]

[...] beaten [...]
[...] got 1 point [...]
[...] good work Graham![...]Knew it. Something did smell fishy about that huge unbeatable score of yours! :cheese

[mailman]

Why voting for the next round ends 7 days before the end of the previous round? 3 or even 2 days would not be enough?

[bippym]

It gives Graham time to sort the thread out, decide on any rules, set up templates, find versions to play (non buggy) etc

[Graham Humphrey]

Initially, I thought about doing the vote in the final week of each round but decided I didn't want to juggle the final week of scores (which could, in theory, be quite hectic) and keeping track of the votes at the same time. So I thought I could do it after each round, but that would mean a break in the compo every few weeks and would become stop-start, so doing it during the second week seemed ideal - you know well in advance what game is going to be played in the next round, and I can concentrate on keeping track of the game scores and league positions etc, during the final week.

However, as to why I don't finish the vote a few days before the end of each round.... erm, it never occured to me, believe it or not. Regardless I wanted to run the vote for a week so it didn't drag out for too long, so I just went for the first Saturday of the round to the second Friday (i.e, June 16th to June 22nd).

There's no real major reason, that's just the first thing I thought of. Don't think it makes a great deal of difference really, anyway.

[Graham Humphrey]

Bippy put it rather better than me :D

[mailman]

I was just curious. It seemed odd to me that 7 days are needed to prepare everything, especially when you are very active in the forum. But that is OK with me :) I am satisfied with your answer. Thanks ;)

[bippym]

I was just curious. It seemed odd to me that 7 days are needed to prepare everything, especially when you are very active in the forum. But that is OK with me :) I am satisfied with your answer. Thanks ;)

If ya wanna fight about it, Graham will step outside :D :cheese

[Graham Humphrey]

If ya wanna fight about it, Graham will step outside :D :cheese

Well you seem quite keen Bippy, I'll let you do it on my behalf ;)

[bippym]

Well you seem quite keen Bippy, I'll let you do it on my behalf ;)

I don't do requests.. where's that monkey??

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[mailman]

Continuing from Round 3 Vote thread

And bad luck to ppill and mailman, who both somehow managed to miss that Apidya was ahead of Lotus 2 and Pang

Funny... :) Both of us were looking for the game we wanted to win. Ppil for Pang, me for Lotus 2 ;)

Apidya - great that the winner is another game that saves scores ;) In that case I can compete and crash you guys ;)

[ppill]

Funny... :) Both of us were looking for the game we wanted to win. Ppil for Pang, me for Lotus 2 ;)

Apidya - great that the winner is another game that saves scores ;) In that case I can compete and crash you guys ;


It is rather funny. Apidya's a great game. A bit tough though. Just hope my reflexes are better than my maths ;)

[mailman]

Yes, the game is quite difficult. As far as I remember to enter the score into the original top5 table you need to have a whola lotta score.

[Shoonay]

Uhmm... I've, kinda, like, edited the hiscores so my losy one's could fit in... :blased

[Graham Humphrey]

Funny... :) Both of us were looking for the game we wanted to win. Ppil for Pang, me for Lotus 2 ;)

The funny thing is, someone who voted didn't put five games in their vote (can't remember who it was off the top of my head) and if they had done, Pang would have won the vote instead of Apidya...

As for Apidya's highscores... I played it this morning (WHDLoad version) and you only need 20,000 to get 5th place in the highscore table, it's not that hard really ;)

[Shoonay]

Of course the higher the difficulty, the more score does the player gather, so we play on... ? Normal? Without the "helping bee?"

[Graham Humphrey]

Spot on with Normal, that's what I played it on this morning.

The other setting will probably be 3 lives, and an extra life at every 20,000 points.

[Shoonay]

Yay, agree, the more life bonuses the better... I suck at that game, but SO would like to have a reason to actually finish more levels than the first one...

[mailman]

As for Apidya's highscores... I played it this morning (WHDLoad version) and you only need 20,000 to get 5th place in the highscore table, it's not that hard really ;)

You are good Apidya player then ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

You are good Apidya player then ;)

I wish, I can only get to Stage 2-1 on Easy mode :)

[Shoonay]

Same here, lol
"We are the greatest!" :cheese

[turrican3]

i will be back for the round 4 then turrican will win :great

[Graham Humphrey]

Cool, looking forward to welcoming you back into the fold :)

[Graham Humphrey]

Current standings have been updated ;)

A 10 point lead for VermillioN already - nothing personal but I hope you suck at Apidya :p

[mailman]

Well, I am second ;)

[VermillioN]

muahahaaa.. vermillion strikes again ;)
And I do suck at Apidya.. or at least I used to hehe
It's been a while since I shot pellets out of the old bee..

We'll have a new contender for round 3 and onwards, my cousin moved in with me last week so I'm training him up.. "wax on, wax off etc.." :)

i will be back for the round 4 then turrican will win
w00t.. I was wondering when you were going to show up :D

[Graham Humphrey]

As you may have seen, new standings are now up. VermillioN is 15 points clear already...

Hopefully the next round will be no popular, seeing as it's Turrican 2 and all ;)

I've played this briefly a couple of times now, but just to make sure; there is no options screen, right? No way of choosing difficulty level, etc?

[killergorilla]

Can we change the days?

Why is ending it on a friday a good idea?

I am most likely to play a game on the last weekend. So can you make it finish on a sunday night/monday morning?

[Graham Humphrey]

It's generally a lot easier for me, the way I've arranged what days the votes and rounds finish on, which is why I've done it like this - it gives me more time to update the standings and so on. Wasn't a problem this time as I was able to update it straight away but there will be times when I won't be able to do that.

Sunday night would be a bit late I think, however I guess I could end it on a Saturday night in future, if enough people think it would be a good idea? I generally get enough time on Sundays to be able to sort out the standings and the settings for the next game so it would probably work.

[mailman]

It does not make a big difference for me. As long as Graham can keep up with the scores and he is willing to change the closing time for KG's, I see no problem in that. It might also make other people to contribute their scores.

[Graham Humphrey]

Thanks mailman... that's what I was starting to think, finishing the round on a Saturday might encourage more people to get scores in because it's, well, Saturday. I think I'll try it for round 4 and see how it goes. I could easily sort everything out during the Sunday at some point so that wouldn't be a problem.

It would be a bit awkward to stretch a round to the Sunday night though so I'll rule that one out but to be honest I'm not sure why I didn't think of ending a round on Saturday night before...

[VermillioN]

A Saturday night finish sounds good to me :)
Anything to get more players.. that last week of Apidya was fairly quiet..

[Graham Humphrey]

Not just the last week, but the week before that as well ;)

Hopefully it'll get a couple more players involved, but I also think it's partly because it's summer (well here it is anyway), people are going on holidays etc. and the last thing anyone wants to do is to be sitting at a computer 24/7.

[VermillioN]

Ahh good point!
Well I hope my ominous scores aren't scaring ppl away heheh.. (j/k) :evilgrin

Good luck to evry1 in round 4!!

(turrican3 better come back soon, otherwise he'll be rather dissapointed..)

[Graham Humphrey]

turrican3 knows this is on... he actually PM'ed me asking when this round would end (though that was before I added an extra day) ;)

He hasn't got much excuse for missing out now ;)

[killergorilla]

Saturday night seems a much better deal, cheers mate :)

So when does the Apidya one finish? ;)

[mailman]

So when does the Apidya one finish? ;)

I has finished already. We are now playing Turrican 2.

[killergorilla]

Yeah I was kidding. :D

When I joke I put ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

mailman deducted 21 points for not getting the joke ;)

[mailman]

So that is your point. You want to be the second ;)

I'd better start playing Turrican 2.

[Graham Humphrey]

btw,

Are there a way to modify a whdload installed game to plublicize highscores on a certain web site?

I've got no idea I'm afraid, it's an interesting idea though. Maybe you should ask this question in the project.WHDLoad part of the forum, maybe someone can help you out there.

[laser]

I've got no idea I'm afraid, it's an interesting idea though. Maybe you should ask this question in the project.WHDLoad part of the forum, maybe someone can help you out there.

yes..that's a nice idea for this kind of tournaments you promote....and I think that is not very hard to implement cause some installers can save highscores to hardisk....so from there to the web there is a small step

but who knows if any whdload'coder will be really interested

bye

[mailman]

yes..that's a nice idea for this kind of tournaments you promote....and I think that is not very hard to implement cause some installers can save highscores to hardisk....so from there to the web there is a small step

but who knows if any whdload'coder will be really interested

bye

Frankly saying, I don't get what you mean. Do you want some sort of interface which would translate highscore from WHDLoad games and put them onto the web?

[Graham Humphrey]

I think that's what he means, kind of like an online highscore table.

[mailman]

I don't think it could be possible. These highscore files are not txt files or files of the same type. Each game has its system to save the highscores. WHDLoad just puts it into the separate file. There would be need for the tool that would have all the definition of such files so it could "understand" all of them. Look at Battle Isle. There is a separate tool created by Wepl which converts Battle Isle highscore files into txt file. You would need such tool for each game.

[mailman]

Oh and it will be the normal edition unless there is a massive uproar over it - we could have a poll deciding which version to play perhaps? Do say what you think in the General Discussion thread.

People voted Project X and we should play Project X. If they voted Project X SE, then we would play SE. These are two different games and unless someone clearly points this, we shouldn't bother. In case of Pinballs, people wrote which table. The same here - if they had SE on their minds, they should have written this.

[mailman]

lol lemon are playing project x too

It's got pretty complicated for me. I guess I will post the same of my scores to both competitions... I just need to wait when the EAB round starts.

[Graham Humphrey]

People voted Project X and we should play Project X. If they voted Project X SE, then we would play SE. These are two different games and unless someone clearly points this, we shouldn't bother. In case of Pinballs, people wrote which table. The same here - if they had SE on their minds, they should have written this.

Yeah true, as I said it will be the original game that will be played but I thought it's worthwhile seeing what people think... I imagine it won't change though ;)

It's got pretty complicated for me. I guess I will post the same of my scores to both competitions... I just need to wait when the EAB round starts.

I'll do that as well I think.

[VermillioN]

So lemon are hosting Project X aswell huh.. hmm
To be honest I havnt been following the lemon league..

Maybe after both seasons are over a Lemon vs EAB superleague should be implemented ;-)

[Graham Humphrey]

Maybe after both seasons are over a Lemon vs EAB superleague should be implemented ;-)

D'you know what, I was only thinking that the other day... the logistics could be quite tricky though. Best keep it how it is; we can always compare our scores on games we've both played ;)

[bippym]

The winner of each can go head to head to see who is the overall winner :D

[VermillioN]

I was thinking more like the top 5 or 10 :p

[Graham Humphrey]

Yeah, I would think it would be more along those lines. Again though, I'm not sure how viable it is as I wouldn't want it to dirsupt with our respective seasons when the next ones start, and I'm not sure how easy it would be to run a compo over both boards. Maybe I'll talk to Biscuit (Lemon's compo organiser) about it soon.

[VermillioN]

Sounds good Graham :)
A few minor issues, but I think it could work!

[Graham Humphrey]

Yeah, it would be a heck of a lot of effort but it might well be worth a go :)

If anyone would be interested in taking part please say (I know you are VermillioN) ;)

[mailman]

I will take part as a competitor ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

Another round over, as I'm sure you will have seen by the updated standings.

I noticed that there was five new contestants for that round, I hope you all stick around ;)

[turrican3]

sorry if i have no more time to fight for the title, i hope i'll have more time later.
but be sure if i can i 'll come back.;)

PS: you don't enjoy turrican2 graham ?:spin
ps 2 : are you sure that all version stone 'n' bones are buggy (cd32,500,1200),because i did 5,000,000,000 with stone 'n' bones by the past but the scoreboard seemed to be at his limit but i don't remember which version.

ps 3: sorry for the ps section

[Graham Humphrey]

sorry if i have no more time to fight for the title, i hope i'll have more time later.
but be sure if i can i 'll come back.;)

Good good ;)

PS: you don't enjoy turrican2 graham ?:spin

Nope. Sorry.

ps 2 : are you sure that all version stone 'n' bones are buggy (cd32,500,1200),because i did 5,000,000,000 with stone 'n' bones by the past but the scoreboard seemed to be at his limit but i don't remember which version.

Well obviously I can't confirm that every version is buggy but I know for a fact the AGA version is. The fact you got such a high score is almost certainly down to a bug as well (I got a similar score once but even with all the bonuses and stuff I shouldn't have scored that many points). It does tend to crash on occcasions too. If anyone can actually confirm there is a bug-free version then please let me know.

ps 3: sorry for the ps section

PS: No worries ;)

[turrican3]

:spinno it wasn't a bug :lolbelieve me i was really good to this table:spin
But i had the time to play all the day.
And i had many competitors (friends) now it's hard to have competitors at home

[Graham Humphrey]

Well I'm not allowing that table to be voted for unless someone can convince me there is a bug-free version somewhere... it is unquestionably bugged (I'm not the only one to have experienced this) in its AGA incarnation and I'm not sure that the other versions would be okay.

[turrican3]

please everybody have a look to this thread,
i need your help http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=31564
graham it's not off topic this one, a challenge with hq2x filter must be better

[Graham Humphrey]

Well, it is slightly off-topic given the context of this thread but I'll let you off that one ;)

[mailman]

a challenge with hq2x filter must be better

In what way?

[blade002]

This is just in regards to our next gaming compo with PANG. There is something i must mention about which version of the game people will be playing due to the fact that back in the day when Pang was first released, i had the cracked version as did most of us, and although it worked perfectly fine, i have come to notice now that i have a different version that there are different things in it that i never noticed in the cracked version and that is the crabs and birds that constantly try to hinder your progress by flying and crawling around and generally making your life hell !!..

In a nutshell, the old cracked version was a walk in the park easy, compared to this version i loaded up tonight, so in making this clear, i think we should all be playing the same version of the game to make it fair :):great

( maybe im wrong and my memory is failing me, or maybe i just had a really really bad cracked version all those years ago!? )

[Graham Humphrey]

Thanks for pointing that out blade002, the WHDLoad version has all the birds and things as well so it's only fair that we're all playing the exact same game here. Colud you point me towards the version that you have now, as that would be the ideal one to use?

[blade002]

Thanks for pointing that out blade002, the WHDLoad version has all the birds and things as well so it's only fair that we're all playing the exact same game here. Colud you point me towards the version that you have now, as that would be the ideal one to use?

Not a problem :)

Im actually using the WHDLoad version as well from KG, but if you like i can try and dig up my old cracked version on floppy and adf it up to you !? ( thats "if" i can find it, not sure if its still floating about )

[Graham Humphrey]

Ah right. Well I think I may have that version you mentioned as well -when I used to play the game from floppy many moons ago I certainly don't remember the crabs and birds in that version either. I'm not sure if I still have the disk now but I do know what you're talking about.

Hopefully there's a cracked version that has these things in otherwise it may get a bit awkward for those not playing an original copy, or WHDLoad.

[blade002]

Ah right. Well I think I may have that version you mentioned as well -when I used to play the game from floppy many moons ago I certainly don't remember the crabs and birds in that version either. I'm not sure if I still have the disk now but I do know what you're talking about.

Hopefully there's a cracked version that has these things in otherwise it may get a bit awkward for those not playing an original copy, or WHDLoad.

Yeah exactly!. It looks like we will need to ask everyone who participates if they can let us know which version they have, and if someone out there on this forum does happen to have a good crack of it, maybe they can pack it and send it, but i dont like our chances :sad

[Graham Humphrey]

Well, there are several versions on Planetemu, so I'll try these later on.

Of course, if anyone out there knows of a good version then please let me know as soon as possible - if we can't find them then we may have to pull the plug on this one...

[blade002]

Well, there are several versions on Planetemu, so I'll try these later on.

Of course, if anyone out there knows of a good version then please let me know as soon as possible - if we can't find them then we may have to pull the plug on this one...

I will give you a hand to grab and test a few versions as well :great, I will let you know soon.

[Graham Humphrey]

Thanks :)

[Biscuit]

Well, there are several versions on Planetemu, so I'll try these later on.

Of course, if anyone out there knows of a good version then please let me know as soon as possible - if we can't find them then we may have to pull the plug on this one...
I've been trying versions off there, and no idea about differences but I am having trouble emulating. Game keeps freezing when Game Over comes up (using E-UAE). Really annoying having to restart for a second go. I've already made a bitch post elsewhere.

[Graham Humphrey]

Well, I tried this (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=257&action=showrom&id=337266) version earlier, and none of the birds and crabs appeared (at least up until stage 11 which is how far I played). Will have to play the WHDLoad version to remember when they are supposed to appear.

[Graham Humphrey]

Anyone else tried other versions yet?

Oh and I played the WHDLoad version last night to refresh my memory, noticed there's fruit to pick up too, that was also missing (as far as I can tell) from the version I tried the other day.

[turrican3]

why don't we make a real challenge a real meeting somewhere in europe?
I don't know me ? a challenge on sensible soccer.
Hard to make but all is possible if we want it!!!
What do you think about it graham ??:great

[Graham Humphrey]

A cool idea, but someone else would need to organise it...

[Graham Humphrey]

Just tried another version of Pang (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=257&action=showrom&id=337267) and still the same problem as before... if anyone gets the chance to test the other versions I'll be very grateful.

If no-one can find a "proper" version anywhere (i.e. the one used in KG's WHDLoad packs) then we'll have to drop Pang as we can't have people playing versions with different features...

[blade002]

Just tried another version of Pang (http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=257&action=showrom&id=337267) and still the same problem as before... if anyone gets the chance to test the other versions I'll be very grateful.

If no-one can find a "proper" version anywhere (i.e. the one used in KG's WHDLoad packs) then we'll have to drop Pang as we can't have people playing versions with different features...

I almost 100% certain ive found the right version!. It has a trainer on the crack screen ( so hopefully no-one will use it ), but it seems to match the WHDLoad version screen for screen in regards to the enemies and the fruit that drops from the top. I will up it to the Zone and PM you about it too in case you dont get this message. :great

[Graham Humphrey]

Awesome, well done blade002! The round is saved :)

[blade002]

Awesome, well done blade002! The round is saved :)

Thankyou my friend ;)

[farmarfred]

i dont use winuae or whdload
so i checked through some of my game discs and found a couple of versions of pang.
Is it okay if the birds and crabs show up in the first levels


If someone can look at who cracked pang uploaded to the zone , i can check if i have the same version

[Graham Humphrey]

i dont use winuae or whdload
so i checked through some of my game discs and found a couple of versions of pang.
Is it okay if the birds and crabs show up in the first levels

Yep, if it is then you've got a good version :)

[VermillioN]

Nice work on sorting out a good version fellaz.. I'm looking forward to Pang, I havn't played it properly since high school :D

[blade002]

I havn't played it properly since high school :D

Somehow i dont believe this :blased:D

[turrican3]

you win projectx too vermillon that s because i was in spain i ll win perhaps next time.
well done my friend.
ps there is no spanish here ? if yes pm me

[mailman]

Somehow i dont believe this :blased:D

:lol

Frankly saying, I have never played Pang but for sure I will give it a try in the next round.

[turrican3]

pang is a great game, my wife is good to this game perhaps she will play with us:great

[VermillioN]

Somehow i dont believe this :blased:D
It's true I swear!! :cheese
you win projectx too vermillon that s because i was in spain i ll win perhaps next time.
well done my friend.
Well if it's any consolation your score wasn't too easy to beat so congrats to you to ;)
In fact congrats to everyone for making decent scores on that headache-inducing, ball-tearer of a game :lol
Pang will be a nice switch in pace..

[turrican3]

you have enough points vermillon, you can stop to play for 3 rounds let the others win a little.
:great:great:great:great:great :great:great:great:great:great:great

[mailman]

Come on Turrican3. Have faith that you can beat him! ;) I will give my best to do it ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

Me too... now it gets serious ;)

[turrican3]

i ll try sure but i have no so many time to try, job,familly, little baby....
But i will do my best for sure like you maiman if i fail perhaps you will

[VermillioN]

heheh.. well I'm just warming up guys lol

Lucky for me I'm single atm and don't have any nagging female on my back :lol
Amiga is more important than girls, my last gf found that out the hard way :cheese

[VermillioN]

congrats to damiend for the last round :)

I have small request tho.. is it possible to change the round finish time to something a bit more central? (ie. midday, or 6pm UK time..)
At the moment it's finishing at 6/7am in western australia, so it's hard for me to properly compete in the last 6 or so hours.. because of this I'm not winning every single round and that's just simply not good enough hahah :lol

I'm serious tho, same with the super league :)

[mailman]

Wow! I managed to survive on the second position. I hope in Super Hang On I will do better than Turrican3 so he is not going to "overtake" me! ;)

[blade002]

i ll try sure but i have no so many time to try, job,familly, little baby....
But i will do my best for sure like you maiman if i fail perhaps you will

Hey mate, what do you have? a boy or a girl & how old ??. If its a boy i sure hope you are roping him in with a bit of Turrican !! :great

If its a girl, get her onto Superfrog, Rodland and all those other cute Ami Games :)

I have a bit more time now, because my girlfriend has returned back to her home country ( miss her though ), so i might be getting some higher scores. Fingers crossed :)

[blade002]

because of this I'm not winning every single round and that's just simply not good enough hahah :lol

BITCH :D

[blade002]

I hope in Super Hang On I will do better than Turrican3 so he is not going to "overtake" me! ;)

No pun intended eh ! :laughing

[Graham Humphrey]

Wow! I managed to survive on the second position. I hope in Super Hang On I will do better than Turrican3 so he is not going to "overtake" me! ;)

Wrong thread! This is the rules discussion for the new league :D

Posts will now be moved :)

(Comedy genius by the way) ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

congrats to damiend for the last round :)

I have small request tho.. is it possible to change the round finish time to something a bit more central? (ie. midday, or 6pm UK time..)
At the moment it's finishing at 6/7am in western australia, so it's hard for me to properly compete in the last 6 or so hours.. because of this I'm not winning every single round and that's just simply not good enough hahah :lol

I'm serious tho, same with the super league :)

I understand that it may be a problem for you but I don't really want to go changing the time the round ends yet again, and (from a totally selfish point of view ;)) it works quite well the way it is currently... however it is something I will discuss with the other guys for the Super League for sure (by the way one of the guys organising it is from Australia and he hasn't mentioned it at all, will be interesting to see what he says).

[VermillioN]

hehe fair enough :cheese

sounds good for the super league :)

[girv]

Have you guys seen this site? Its a retro games competition site much like the EAB and Lemon leagues but multiplatform. Thought some of you might be interested :)

http://www.retrogamingscoreboard.e7.to/

[Graham Humphrey]

Cheers girv! Believe it or not, the guy who runs the site did the music for my game so I've visited that before (but not for about two years). I might be tempted to take part at some point though.

[mailman]

In regard of recent ongoing off topic in voting for round 8 thread, I would like to draw some of your attention to one thing which not everybody seems to notice. Graham's (and not only his) idea to ban games does not concern to the titles you can enable cheat, but games which all by itself, when playing without cheats, provide you a way to cheat or make you unable to make any reasonable score. Mentioned Cannon Fodder is the great example. It is no competition when what matters is who is going to stay longer in front of the building shooting soldiers who are coming out.

In regard of cheating, mentioned by turrican3, I found some of the people's posts like they were not aware of rules which players who take part in competitions should obey. NO CHEATING - this is the most important rule! And it does not matter if the game has a cheat or you discovered a cheat typing a sequence of letters during the play. You can't use it. Please also bear in mind that CHEAT is not the same as TRICK. Tricks (in the meaning I understand it) you can use because they are sometimes natural ways of dealing with the game, obstacles the authors put on our way. Cheats you simply can't.

I like taking part in EAB and Lemon Games League. It is fun to compete with other people playing games. Does it really matter who won, who what score got? No. What matters is the fun. And let's keep it like this as long as we can without coming up with stupid ideas to ruin it.

[bippym]

Cannon fodder could be who gets the farthest and loses the least number of soldiers.. tho in all honesty it might not be do-able!

[turrican3]

there's many that will be banned , brian the lion , flink: you can make an easy stage so many times you want and you make an highscore easily like this.
unreal banned too : second stage with rocks who falls you can stay there hit rocks take lives and shoot the bees (they go out of the rocks) and make an high score too.
My point of you is to don't banne these games (because they are amiga jewels) but add rules for these games when it's possible.
By exemple for brian usual rules plus you can't make 2 times a stage if succeeded this stage that's all and we won't loose all these great games.
I found all these "bugs" easily" surely many games have theses matter.
For cannon fodder i understand :great

[Graham Humphrey]

I will explain all soon, but briefly (and we've discussed this on Lemon for the Super-League too): on games like Agony and Rodland (and possibly Unreal? Dunno as I haven't ever played it) you can pretty much rack up a very big score by getting to the first boss and just pressing fire constantly.

Now, with something like Brian The Lion, you have to replay an entire level. I can't imagine too many people having the time or patience replaying an entire level over and over again to get a high score. In contrast it's very tempting on, say, Rodland, just to press fire to kill those little crocs forever. It takes no effort at all, and not a lot of time either. Let's face it, when something like that is staring you in the face it's too easy to take advantage of it sometimes (check the Rodland and Agony compo threads on Lemon for an example of what can happen).

And quality of the games just does not come into it for me. At all.

[turrican3]

for brian you take a tribal stage you finish it in less than 20 seconds and this stage is too easy to die, very easy and very short stage.
I stop to speak about that, i'm waitting for the vote.

[Graham Humphrey]

Well as I've said to you before I've never really played these games, you have more experience in them than me.

Vote coming soon (but not tonight) ;)

[VermillioN]

Cannon fodder could be who gets the farthest and loses the least number of soldiers.. tho in all honesty it might not be do-able!
Maybe cannon fodder would work well as a special round for the super league!
A scoring system could be applied to the round in which points are allocated as to which stage is reached, then bonus points are applied relating to how many soldiers are left :D
In fact using custom scoring systems like this could enable other un-conventional classics for use in the super league..

and I'll still wait for the poll to comment on banned games ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

It's a nice idea but I'm not sure how feasible it is - 1. how do you prove what stage you've reached and 2. as I've said before, if you complete the game, I don't think you get to see how many soldiers you've got left.

[Graham Humphrey]

Of course, the question just has to be asked: whatever happened to VermillioN?

[turrican3]

Of course, the question just has to be asked: whatever happened to VermillioN?
I don't know but he posted yesterday.
But why he don't play anymore ???
1 he hasn't the time
2 He has enough point, now he's :sleep
3 the competition was too easy for him and boring him

Comeback vermillion ;)

[VermillioN]

The answer is:
4. He figured he had enough time and foolishly left it until the last few days again.. only to realize he'd made a promise to some friends for the weekend. Aaaargh!! :banghead

Let's just say I was rather ill on Sunday ;)

Spewing I missed Leander.. is one of my favourite games!
Congrats turrican3.. it's not easy to finish.

From now on I'll start competing in the 1st week of the round :cheese

[Graham Humphrey]

Unlucky ;)

I trust we'll see you back in action for this round ;)

[VermillioN]

Aye, indeed :great

[blade002]

From now on I'll start competing in the 1st week of the round :cheese


OH NO !!! :shocked:crazy:scream:crying:help:banghead:D

[turrican3]

i have an idea graham, why don't ask to Toni to make a special version of winuae for the league : a version with a timer on the screen like this we could play some games without score and the deal could be the one who go the more far in the game win or the guy who finish the game the most fastly?
What do you think about that ?
The big problems i see everyone will must play on winuae not on a real amiga and perhaps toni will not want waste is time to integrate a timer.

[Biscuit]

The big problems i see everyone will must play on winuae not on a real amiga and perhaps toni will not want waste is time to integrate a timer.
And that I use a Mac - not an Intel one. But you can trust me. :great

[turrican3]

And that I use a Mac - not an Intel one. But you can trust me. :great
i didn't think about it

[Graham Humphrey]

I don't think that's a bad idea but I think Biccy has pointed out the problem - not everyone has access to a PC and to leave out people who use a Mac, or indeed play on a real Amiga (like yours truly) would be a tad unfair, I feel.

And I doubt Toni would want to go to the trouble of adding a timer just for a games compo ;)

[ppill]

Since the voting thread is closed I'm posting here.

Lotus 3 and P.P. Hammer both received 8 points (5 points from bippym and 3 from me). So it's a tie. Or am I missing something?

[turrican3]

that's true it seems that graham didn't see pp hammer.
Or he doesn't like pp hammer ;) :lol

[Graham Humphrey]

It did? Whoops! I'll have a look...

Ah, I forgot to include Bippy's votes! That explains it...

[Bamiga2002]

Just springed to my mind: how can we know if any games league competitor is using save state in WinUAE to have higher scores? Should we make a poll for that? Maybe not public though... ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

Well, we don't know. But the idea is that we trust each other and play in the right spirit, and besides, I've had no complaints from anyone regarding things like that or any form or cheating. No poll required, I think (or should we have a poll deciding whether we should have a poll) :D

[bippym]

Maybe toni will be good enough to compile a version of winuae that disables savestates and prints the version info to the output pictures etc

[Graham Humphrey]

That would be good, actually.

[Graham Humphrey]

Right, final standings now up. That's it folks for this year, can't believe it's all gone so quickly (30 weeks!). It's been great fun and I'd like to say thank you to every single person who's taken part in this competition (all 35 of you, including me :D) as due to the level of interest and the number of entries I consider this a great success.

Roll on the new Super League (January 20th, but voting to take place before that), eh?

Hopefully we'll have the final set of rules up soon, watch this space ;)

[turrican3]

Right, final standings now up. That's it folks for this year, can't believe it's all gone so quickly (30 weeks!). It's been great fun and I'd like to say thank you to every single person who's taken part in this competition (all 35 of you, including me :D) as due to the level of interest and the number of entries I consider this a great success.

Roll on the new Super League (January 20th, but voting to take place before that), eh?

Hopefully we'll have the final set of rules up soon, watch this space ;)
Ho no no no !!!!! :crying:crying:crying:crying

[VermillioN]

hey peeps just popped in to say hi and merry christmas to you all!!
there's simply been too much going on my life of late to devote any time but I'll be back for the super-league for sure :)

you cannot get rid of me that easily heheh..

So all the best to evryone and a big special thankyou to Graham for all his super efforts in making the league such a big success :bowdown:bowdown

[Graham Humphrey]

Thanks for your kind words VermillioN, it's good to see you popping in ;)

It'll be good to see you back next year, should be interesting to see how we all get on against those Lemon guys :D

And happy birthday ;)

[turrican3]

happy birthday vermillon, and happy to see you back :great

[VermillioN]

aww tnx fellas! :D

methinks them lemon chaps have a challenge on their hands.. hehe
Still waiting for my a4000 to get fixed to.. *sniff.. oh how I miss her :crying

[Biscuit]

This Lemon chap still managed to win a round here. :p

And well done to Graham for putting it all together. Great job.

[CHook/OTT]

Yup, Well done Graham for maintaining and monitoring the riff-raff :great

Will try and join in earlier next year and be a bit more of a threat, I vote Super Hang-On to kick it all off :D and don't even mention skweek :guru

Have a good Christmas everyone and all the best!!!

[Graham Humphrey]

Thanks guys :) I think the league will be more open next year what with an increase in the number of players.

Merry Christmas to you all :xmas

[Anubis]

Yeah, congrats GH!

Great work!

btw, when will new season start?

[Graham Humphrey]

Voting should start on January 6th and the actual season should start on the 20th (two weeks for voting next year - hopefully all will become clear when the new rules are finalised).

I'm really looking forward to this one :D

[Shoonay]

Those 2 weeks will feel like forever... :(

[Anubis]

Voting should start on January 6th and the actual season should start on the 20th (two weeks for voting next year - hopefully all will become clear when the new rules are finalised).

I'm really looking forward to this one :D

Two weeks seems rather long for voting. (speaking from LA experience)

How long is gaming part?

[Graham Humphrey]

Three weeks, but after round one the voting runs alongside the actual round, so it's not really much of a problem. We decided that because quite a few people wanted more time to vote so that was the best way to do it.

[Biscuit]

I'm just having a look through the rules now. Things have only slightly changed from the thread Graham put up for the Super League.

Still open to last minute suggestions now that everyone has played a full season.

And Graham - I'm calling the RSPCA about your cat!

[Graham Humphrey]

It's not me - blame Zetr0, it's his cat... :blased

[Shoonay]

See GH? Crime does not pay. :D

[mailman]

Why Pinball Fantasies Table 4 is excluded from compo?

Pinball Fantasies Stones and Bones Table - Bugged (random crashing, infinite balls, messed up scores).

Random crashing is just a bug in the game as many other bugs in many other games.

Infinite balls - I have never encountered anything like this. The table is generous in giving extra balls but why inifinite?

Messed up scores - Could anyone explain what should I understand by that, please?

[Graham Humphrey]

This was first brought up in the very first voting thread last year - clicky (http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=325904&postcount=16).

I've had this happen myself (except for the infinite balls thing) and it was also reported on Lemon ages back, too. Haven't got a link to the thread right now though, I'll have a look later...

(Oh and thread title changed to reflect the new competition...)

[Hungry Horace]

i've seen infinte balls mentioned, and the score thing gives you a few billion + points when you complete all the Modes.

here's an example of two consecutive scores by the same person on a competition elsewhere....


quite a leap i think you will agree!

this guy thought it was strange too, and had no problems with changing table for the good of the competition either.


edit: oh, and funnily enough my mother plays pinball fantasies almost every day for the last 10 years.... when i found out about this bug, i discovered she'd already filtered out the table by herself becuase of it!

i have a feeling either the car one or billion dollar gameshow is also bugged too.... (this was also mentioned in the original LemonAmiga P.F. comp, and i know one of them she doesnt play either)



second edit:

original Lemon Amiga comp.

http://www.lemonamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1198


Unfortunately, Stones 'n' Bones and Billion Dollar Game show are known to have bugs in them, so we will only be playing the two tables on disk 2, namely: Partyland and Speed Devils

i think the Billion Dollar Gameshow bug may be the same "completed modes" thing, but i dont know - i never really liked the table anyway.

[Graham Humphrey]

That was Billion Dollar Gameshow - me and Biscuit had a discussion about this a while back and as neither of us have had problems ourselves, or seen anyone else have problems, we decided to keep it.

[Hungry Horace]

That was Billion Dollar Gameshow - me and Biscuit had a discussion about this a while back and as neither of us have had problems ourselves, or seen anyone else have problems, we decided to keep it.

as i say, i know my mother has had some kind of bug with it ;) but she is really good at this game!

personally i wouldnt want to run the risk with the comp. myself, since it could cause unrest later - but you're in charge!

[Graham Humphrey]

Hmm, well we may have to discuss this again. Anyone else got any views on this?

[mailman]

here's an example of two consecutive scores by the same person on a competition elsewhere....


quite a leap i think you will agree!

this guy thought it was strange too, and had no problems with changing table for the good of the competition either.


I don't know how about the rest but for me it proves nothing. Ghosts (modes) which you collect in most cases are not giving you any points. They give you ability to obtain points. The first ghost gives you 5 million (easy money ;)). The second one can give you even 30 million (potential but not certain) if you are able to shoot the tower (Tower Hunt). If not, you get nothing! The third one gives you extra ball, the fourth one also ability to get scores (not the scores itself - I think it's something connected with shooting the targets), the fifth one - 10 million, the sixth one another Tower Hunt (or shooting ramps - I can't remember right now) and so on. As you can see you don't have to have huge score and have at least five or six ghosts collected. If you can shoot very precise, you can collect them very easily and have just a pretty small score. Collecting ghost doesn't mean you get something from it.

Also bear in mind that Grim Reaper mode (the last ghost) DOUBLES your score and the ghosts reset (round is over and you begin collecting all over again). If you are good at shooting (in this table it is not a big deal to shoot where you want and not where the game wants), you can easily have all the ghosts collected two or three times. Add to this ability to get many extra balls (the table is very generous in giving them) and here you go. I don't think it's messing up with the scores. You showed us two screenshots. They show the same number of ghosts collected but after how many rounds of collecting ghosts the one with massive score was obtained? Maybe the player got what is on the picture but it would be after the fourth time he got collecting them?

Infinite extra balls - I think I know what you mean now. This table is very generous in giving extra balls and what is more, similar to Slam Tilt, when you collect two extra balls during one ball, you will get two extra balls afterwards. The game remembers number of extra balls you collected. Maybe this is why someone thought there is infinite number of balls.

Random crashes are out of discussion here. It happens in every game.

Personally I think that people drew conclusions about all these things because of the scores they saw. Until Slam Tilt showed up, in pinballs it was not often that you get the score bigger than 500,000,000. Here someone got 3 billions and it made people think that maybe the game is bugged.

I have played Pinball Fantasies since 1994. I tend to play it quite often when I have time. Some plays are good, some plays are bad. My best personals are quite big but I have never encountered things you described. Or maybe I have but I just consider them as a normal play (as I described above). I have never spotted a thing of collecting something and one time it gives me 5 million while the other time 5 billion. I need to see some longplays with these strange occurences and then I am going to believe that the table is bugged. Right now I think that the table should be allowed to be played.

These are my 2 cents but I will read through the links you submitted.

[Hungry Horace]

its common sense to realise its a bug when you compare the difference between mod-completion on PartyLand and mode-completion on Stones & Bones.

It doesnt jump from 100million to 5000 miliion like it does there.
To me, its without a doubt a bug, and i think its generally acknowledged as so. (it was mentioned on LemonAmiga well before i ever knew about it)


infinite extra balls - exactly what it says on the tin. I cant see how this is difficult to understand? I think i may have seen this myself, but many years agao, as my memory on it is pretty hazy tbh.


the very fact there is ANY question over this matter, means the table should not be played in a competition if you ask me.

[Graham Humphrey]

Could do with a bit of help here...

Does anyone know what the last version of Deluxe Pacman was (I think it was v1.7 but I'm not sure) and if there is a difference, gameplay-wise, between the ECS and AGA versions?

Thought it would be a good idea to sort this one out early to avoid any problems later on.

[turrican3]

when do you sleep graham i have never saw a difference between each version but i could be wrong, you need an expert and i'm not. ;)

[DamienD]

Does anyone know what the last version of Deluxe Pacman was (I think it was v1.7 but I'm not sure)
Here's a quote from HOL concerning versions for both ECS and AGA:


Notes: Last known version: v1.7.

and if there is a difference, gameplay-wise, between the ECS and AGA versions?

Definitely a difference between Deluxe Galaga ECS and AGA, not sure with Deluxe Pacman though, sorry :sad

[mailman]

Could do with a bit of help here...

Does anyone know what the last version of Deluxe Pacman was (I think it was v1.7 but I'm not sure) and if there is a difference, gameplay-wise, between the ECS and AGA versions?

Nothing I could be aware of.

[Graham Humphrey]

Okay, cheers guys. I'll just have to check it out myself then ;)

Definitely a difference between Deluxe Galaga ECS and AGA, not sure with Deluxe Pacman though, sorry :sad

Weird because I never knew there was a difference between the ECS and AGA versions of Deluxe Galaga...

[DamienD]

Weird because I never knew there was a difference between the ECS and AGA versions of Deluxe Galaga...
From memory, I think I read something to do with weapons and frequency that items occur...

[Graham Humphrey]

Just thought I'd let you all know that I probably won't be as active for the next few days or so as my modem has gone on strike for some reason, so no 'net access at home for the time being, at least until we get a new modem, whenever that will be.

So if score updates etc take a while to appear then I'm not being lazy - I simply don't have access to EAB. Also it's no good PMing me with questions and things so you'll have to let Biscuit deal with them instead.

I don't think it'll make a big difference but you should all know just in case. But who knows, maybe it will all be sorted tomorrow ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

Forget it, borrowed my Dad's power supply from his modem and it now works...

[john4p]

So SWIV is next. Bah. Never got into that game (probably because of the lack of bgm).

To make it a bit more interesting I suggest everyone has to submit his best "heli-score" and his best "jeep-score" and they will just be added for one's total score.

[Graham Humphrey]

I think we'll just stick to playing as the helicopter.

[mailman]

I think we'll just stick to playing as the helicopter.

Why? It would be more challenging! ;)

[Shoonay]

Me votes for the double vehicle madness combo, too! :D

[john4p]

Well, Graham - are you just gonna ignore the immense public demand? ;)

[Biscuit]

As if it wasn't gonna be hard enough anyways.

As a Mod - I'll abstain... right up till I veto it. ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

(Sorry, I haven't been online since I made that post this morning...)

I dunno. I think we should just keep things simple (for once ;)) and just play with one vehicle. This has NOTHING to do with the fact I can't be bothered with another adding-up-all-the-scores thing ;)

But as usual, if enough people want it etc etc...

[john4p]

Okay - I took the liberty of creating a poll. Still Biscuit and Graham will have the last word(s)...

[TodaysForgotten]

If anyone cares my jump n roll video can be found clicking the below link to find the direct link (make sense?):
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=403472&postcount=42

I give a little overview of the levels i missed points on. It's also in the yt description.

for those interested in cliff notes (direct link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH7nfyGWaLE

[john4p]

Levels 1, 3, 4 and 6 you have slightly different routes than me.

You are better than me in levels 1 and 4.

I'm better in 7. Hint: After the first 3 jumps just push fire on the 4th...

[john4p]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7760/jumpnroll015sj2.png

46,047


That's it! I don't think much more is possible (I used savestates).

I combined TF's and my strategies and this is the result...

TF's strategy is better than mine in stage 1, 3, 4 and 6 (stages 3&4 only at the very end and TF's stage 6 - strategy is almost impossible to pull off on purpose).

My strategy is better in stage 2, 5, 7 and 8 (5 and 8 only very slightly...).

[Graham Humphrey]

That is insane.

[john4p]

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5527/jumpnroll016qe4.png

46,095


That's my last improvement (with savestates again). I made a video - but it's 1GB large currently...

[TodaysForgotten]

get that video up! i can pull of stage 6 when im not trying. Unfortunately, I am always trying and when i do pull it off i get all excited and confuse the opposite controls on the next section.

[TodaysForgotten]

Levels 1, 3, 4 and 6 you have slightly different routes than me.

You are better than me in levels 1 and 4.

I'm better in 7. Hint: After the first 3 jumps just push fire on the 4th...

John, are you referring to the beginning of the stage? With the three yellow/blue strip combo's? If so, i just tested them:

41,754 vs 41,728 (using jump on the third yellow/blue)

well, i see where i am missing points on stage 2. I had though about jumping an extra time but since i was in the lead at the moment, i didnt bother to test that theory out. Still would have put me 12 points shy of Simon L:(

[john4p]

No - don't jump on the third yellow. Jump after this on the RED one. That definitely should be worth more than 26 points...

Uploaded the video to Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX5Oc8hm2Vk

I seriously don't know what youtube did to the colors - the video looks awful.

I'll upload the whole AVI-file (50MB) in suberb quality to rapidshare...

[john4p]

Here is the download link of the AVI-file: http://rapidshare.com/files/101788994/jmpnroll.avi.html

[Graham Humphrey]

Cool video - lots of things there I'd never have figured out myself.

Funny how you always go down the right-hand side - I always use the left-hand side. I don't like the right. Can't really do it for some reason. Perhaps it's something to do with me being left-handed.

[john4p]

Thanks. Your suggestion could be correct - I'm right-handed. ;)

[TodaysForgotten]

jeez that video on youtube does a number on my eyes. im also having a hard time comprehending your play since you go down the center mainly. I can see why people are saying its weird that i go down the right. I am right-handed...

hmm, actually on mine it was 26, but on yours here is the following:

You started level 7 with 37,708 and finished with 43,994. Total = 6,286
I started level 7 with 37,244 and finished with 43,506. Total = 6,262.

[john4p]

Hmmm...ah, well - seems like I overestimated my discovery in level 7. It's still better. Definitely the most improvement pointswise gave me your level 4 - finish. I always knew my technique was lacking in level 4.

edit: You made a little mistake there. On your Youtube-video you started with 37,249 points, so you scored 6,257. And thus I scored 29 points better...

[TodaysForgotten]

Hmmm...ah, well - seems like I overestimated my discovery in level 7. It's still better. Definitely the most improvement pointswise gave me your level 4 - finish. I always knew my technique was lacking in level 4.

edit: You made a little mistake there. On your Youtube-video you started with 37,249 points, so you scored 6,257. And thus I scored 29 points better...

DETAILS JOHN! DETAILS! (:

[john4p]

Huh?

[TodaysForgotten]

Nothing. It basically means i said 24 you said 29...5 points difference is so minor its almost the same thing and thus the correction from you...DETAILS JOHN DETAILS.

[john4p]

Of course. Still you seem to be more pedantic when it comes to results of others... ;)

[TodaysForgotten]

My intention was not to attract attention or to break down the minor details of your video. I wanted to make sure i was on the same page due to your comments about who had a better strategy on each level. tis all, sir (:

[Graham Humphrey]

Just a reminder that now the first leg is over, we take a three-week break before the voting for round five.

When it does start, TodaysForgotten will get double voting power (i.e. 1st place game = 10 points, 2nd place = 8 points, etc) as he won the first leg - well done to him. I notice he hasn't voted in any round as yet but maybe this will tempt him ;)

I feel it's been a good start to the competition - although TF is in front with 61 he's not running away with it by any means, with john4p just seven points behind. Mailman occupies third place but is trailing John by some 14 points, with yours truly a further two behind and Biscuit completing the top five with 31 points.

Interestingly (?) every game has had a different winner so far - TF, mailman, John, Simon and peace have all come out on top in one game each so far. It's been pretty open in that respect.

I am, however, disappointed to note that despite EAB taking a 2-0 lead in the battle of the boards, we've let that slip away to trail 3-2 despite only about three people on Lemon taking any interest :cheese C'mon guys, we need to get our act together next month ;)

So what do you all think of the new compo? Enjoying it? Personally I think it's all gone off virtually flawlessly so far. And I think me and Biscuit have earned this little break...

[TodaysForgotten]

I should be up by 10! kidding. Oh, double the voting power. I feel like the King...so much prestige...heh heh. I'im not adept in amiga. I go with the flow of whatever game is voted on. I will some research one of these days, though and find some games that i may like.

I think this is very fun and a great way to play (new/old) and re-play games all over again. It would have been nice if even more people were playing, but that is not really a big deal as the core group is active.

[Graham Humphrey]

Hmm, with a new round starting soon I thought I'd actually better do my research ;)

Anyone know if there are any gameplay differences between the different versions (ECS/AGA) of The Chaos Engine? Seeing as this may be the next game I could do with finding this out.

[Hungry Horace]

vote NZS for an EAB win :D

re: chaos engine.... never noticed any differences, but i admit i've barely played the game - despite having tried both versions

[TCD]

I have played both versions and they are pretty much the same. But for perfect fairness, it would be good to choose one version for the competition. There still could be small differences in enemy placement, speed and time till the coins vanish.

[Graham Humphrey]

Yes, that may well happen. I would rather both versions could be used though if possible so I may actually stop being so lazy and check them out myself ;)

[mailman]

AFAIR there are no differences.

[Hungry Horace]

i'm inclined to agree with TheCyberDruid, although there probably are no differences, why chance it when there could be 'unseeable' differences which subtly favour one version?


true of any game i guess - the decision lies with the men in charge!

[mailman]

Bear in mind that on some configurations one of the version might be unplayable (eg. ECS version of Pinball Fantasies is unplayable on 040/060 when using WHDLoad, while AGA version works flawlessly).

[Graham Humphrey]

That did cross my mind too, after the whole Pinball Fantasies episode. Chances are we'll go with both versions as if there are any differences they are so subtle no-one has spotted them ;)

[blade002]

Alien Breed 1 & 2 for next round hey!.. No X-Out :( ... i am going to cry :crying

This should certainly be interesting though because Alien Breed is not exactly a small game and it takes a lot of careful planning really, rather than just being a straight out shooter, so .. with 1 & 2 being played, this could be one hell of a difficult round !! :shocked

[TodaysForgotten]

Alien Breed 1 & 2 for next round hey!.. No X-Out :( ... i am going to cry :crying

This should certainly be interesting though because Alien Breed is not exactly a small game and it takes a lot of careful planning really, rather than just being a straight out shooter, so .. with 1 & 2 being played, this could be one hell of a difficult round !! :shocked

is it like the chaos engine? I dislike games where it requires more searching or different routes to obtain a score.

I'm crying with you Blade.

[TCD]

Not really like Chaos Engine. You have to choose in which order you go through the level so you don't waste too much ammo. Since the enemies respawn infinite (like Graham said in another thread) it's all about managing your resources. Like blade said it will be a though round and really hard to find the right balance between score and progress...

[TodaysForgotten]

Well with it put that way...sounds like it could be interesting.

[blade002]

Oh dear.. Lotus 3 won the vote !???.... I will not be competing in that round, because i really do not like Lotus and find it really quite boring, although part 1 when it first came out, absolutely blew me away !!! .. I LOVED IT..... but after that.... narrrr...... Good luck with that round guys :)

For those who voted for Lotus 3.. You need medical intervention :D

[mailman]

I recommend to play Lotus 3 like we did before: compete in all difficulty stages driving Elan. After that all the scores would be add up.

[john4p]

For those who voted for Lotus 3.. You need medical intervention :DWell, I prefer Lotus 1&2. But Lotus 3 already got voted, so it was the next best thing for me...

I also vote for competing in all difficulty modes (except maybe Easy...). Car doesn't matter (why not leave it optional?).

[mailman]

I also vote for competing in all difficulty modes (except maybe Easy...). Car doesn't matter (why not leave it optional?).

The car matters. Give it a try and you will see. Last time, before LA-EAB compo, players who used Elan were doing much better than others.

[TCD]

I would also say the car and difficulty should be the same for all players. I have not yet checked the differences, but this way we can be sure that there is no imbalance.

[Graham Humphrey]

The car matters. Give it a try and you will see. Last time, before LA-EAB compo, players who used Elan were doing much better than others.

I think everyone ended up using the same car anyway given the difference it could make to your score.

I'm sure me and Biscuit will discuss what mode to play... although we've got plenty of new players this year I'm not sure I want to do it the same way as last year - maybe we could play the actual race mode rather than against the clock this time. If anyone has a preference please post here. Not saying we'll listen to you of course but post it anyway ;)

[mihcael]

Oh dear.. Lotus 3 won the vote !???.... I will not be competing in that round, because i really do not like Lotus and find it really quite boring, although part 1 when it first came out, absolutely blew me away !!! .. I LOVED IT..... but after that.... narrrr...... Good luck with that round guys :)

For those who voted for Lotus 3.. You need medical intervention :D

I'm with blade on this one!
Played Lotus 2 in comp a while ago and didnt like it!!

not that i care, but what is the advantage to playing all the diffulculty levels??

[mailman]

not that i care, but what is the advantage to playing all the diffulculty levels??

Diversity of scores.

[Graham Humphrey]

They all contain different tracks. So I guess some people would like to play them all.

[Biscuit]

Lemon has disappeared again. :(

Playing all difficulties worked well last time. Doesn't take too long, and adds a bit of variety.

I reckon people should be able to choose whichever car, but the fact is we proved last time that when doing timed stages the Elan is hands down the best car.

Timer or Cup? --- that's the question?

[mailman]

Timer or Cup? --- that's the question?

I would go for Timer. If two competitors win all the races they will get equal number of Cup points while racing on time, the points might be different.

[Graham Humphrey]

Cup for me... do I sense a poll coming along...? ;)

And I can't imagine one person winning all 32 races, let alone two. Possible but I'd say very unlikely.

[mailman]

Let's do a poll ;)

[TCD]

Let's do a poll ;)

Yupp, poll should it be ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

You asked for it, you got it (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=37960) ;)

[john4p]

I was sure TF would show up with some huge scores yesterday. But now I think maybe he didn't really know how to play Alien Breed. Because when mailman told him:

He, he. In this game it is important to think two steps ahead. You can not let yourself be out of ammo and out of keys. Plan your route wisely, know you exit. This game is not so easy. It has only six levels.

Maybe TF didn't know about logging into the Intex computers and thought he would have to beat this game only by collecting keys and ammo lying around and shooting with the weak initial weapon.

Victory doesn't taste sweet with the hardest competitor absent.

[Graham Humphrey]

Perhaps but the fact he hasn't logged on for almost three weeks could be down to real life getting in the way.

[Graham Humphrey]

Another leg finished then.

I apologise for the dodgy formatting in the results thread, no idea how I managed that, can't be bothered to fix it right now though.

Now that TodaysForgotten has vanished it looks like john4p has the league all but wrapped up, having opened up a 43-point lead at the top after gaining an incredible four first-places and one second-place during that leg. Obviously he also wins this leg and so will have double voting power for leg three.

Despite TF's inactivity he's still clinging on to second place with 83 points, closely followed by mailman and Biscuit with 77 and 76 points respectively. Yours truly completes the top five with 68 points.

Elsewhere, blade002 drops to eighth (37), with Simon taking sixth (45) and CHook/OTT moving up to seventh (39). Peace moves up to ninth with 29 and TheCyberDruid breaks into the top then with 28 points - not bad considering he only started competing in this leg.

It's bad news for EAB on the Battle of the Boards - due to staggering incompetence we now trail Lemon 7-3. One more win for Lemon will wrap up that particular title.

So that's that for now. Interest has tailed off noticeably the last couple of rounds - here's hoping a break will renew interest when it gets going again next month. But I still feel overall it's been a great success so far.

[TCD]

Really enjoyed playing this leg and looking foward to the next one (the break is a good thing though :agree)
Okay first the funny part : We have some candidates for 'walk the plank' now :cheese
Now the serious part : It's a bit sad that more people have voted than actually played this round :( It would have been nice to have them post at least one score or tell us what went wrong (Shoonay was the only one that even tried to explain it). Shouldn't be a problem to post one 'cought up in real life, sorry' note.
Btw : Thanks Graham :) Hope I can improve in the next rounds.

[Graham Humphrey]

It's not the first time though and it probably won't be the last - I can kinda see why as not may people voted for Lotus in the actual voting (the votes were really spread out) and some people wanted to play a different game mode but there are rounds (Alien Breed for example) where they get a lot of votes but then most people who voted don't bother to enter. I don't see why people vote if they're not going to play.

[Biscuit]

But I still feel overall it's been a great success so far.
Seconded. I'm having a great time this year, and beaten a number of personal bests. And it's cool seeing people produce some truly mind boggling scores. Played quite a few classics so far, and am hoping to see a few games I'm less familiar with pop up.

[TCD]

Seconded. I'm having a great time this year, and beaten a number of personal bests. And it's cool seeing people produce some truly mind boggling scores. Played quite a few classics so far, and am hoping to see a few games I'm less familiar with pop up.

What about X-Out or Ports of Call? ;)

[Biscuit]

I'm definitely not familiar with X-Out, but from a few goes I know I'd get a hammering in this league. ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

Get out ;)

Now to change the subject ever so slightly...

A while back I had an idea for a separate, smaller competition - basically in a knockout-type format, a bit like the Amiga equivalent of Euro 2008 or something, where basically rather than playing for league points, players are randomly drawn head-to-head and the player with the most points goes through to the next round.

After some discussion on how we'd work it in etc, the idea we've got currently is to hold the new compo in the six weeks between seasons. However we'd need people to sign up in advance so we know the numbers - this would be the only way we'd know how to structure the competition and indeed know if it's worth running at all. Basically we'd need at least eight competitors to make it worth doing, and ideally more.

Also, voting would probably be restricted to games played in the season just finished, so no-one would miss out on any new games. To make things more interesting we could play the games in a different mode, or try and dream up a new twist or something.

As for the schedule - say 16 people entered, we could do it like this:

December 7 - 20: Round 1 - this could be either a straight knockout round, or we could split everyone into four groups of four, and the top two from each group would progress to the quarter-finals.

December 21 - January 3: Quarter-finals - this would simply be a straight knockout between the eight surviving players.

January 4 - 10: Semi-finals.

January 11 - 17: Final (and third-place play-off between the losing semi-finalists?).

This would perfectly fill the gap between the end of this season and the start of next.

I guess we could play a different game for each round, so that would mean the top four games in the vote would all be played.

This of course assumes 16 people would enter, if only eight entered then we could run three rounds of two weeks each, if (as I suspect) the number is somewhere in between then there are probably several different ways of doing it. If there is less than eight then we would just forget about it.

It's all a bit vague at the moment as we're not totally certain on the best way to do it but I'd appreciate other people's thoughts and ideas.

[TCD]

That's an interesting idea Graham. I'm not sure yet if the games should change during the tournament though.
Consider me signed up for it :)
I only wish there was a way to have two players compete online with live streaming :agree :D

[mailman]

You can count on me. During the christmas break I miss the compo so it would be great thing.

[Graham Humphrey]

Thanks for the responses guys - that's encouraging.

[john4p]

What about X-Out or Ports of Call? ;)Guess I'm the only one who got the joke... ;)

@Graham: Count me in, too! :xmas

[TCD]

Guess I'm the only one who got the joke... ;)

Maybe Graham got the first part of it too ;)

[Biscuit]

Not sure where the smiley for 'that's the sound of it going right over my head' is.

[TCD]

Hmm, that smiley would be interesting :D
It's just about that there are some games where john isn't sure he's going to win ;)

[john4p]

Suggestion:

Let's have a qualifying round free for all at first (game has to be voted).
This round determines how many competitors will play.
If 10 people submit their scores the best 8 qualify - then there will be 3 final rounds.
If 23 people submit their scores the best 16 qualify - then we'll have 4 final rounds.

[TCD]

Very good idea john! This is a good way to determine the amount of players in the tournament.
I thought about the changing games and it seems to be a good idea too. Playing a kind of 'best of' in the tournament seems logical and fun.
Also I have a name : The EAB/Lemon Amiga Super League Playoffs :D (yeah I know I'm very creative ;))

[john4p]

The EAB/Lemon Amiga Super League Playoffs :D
NO! That would render my league title worthless - I protest! ;)

[TCD]

NO! That would render my league title worthless - I protest! ;)

Okay, what about 'The EAB/Lemon Amiga Super League Bootleg'? :D
Btw : I think since we play the same games you have a fairly good chance to win that tournament too ;)

[john4p]

Okay, what about 'The EAB/Lemon Amiga Super League Bootleg'? :DYes - that's much better! ;)
Btw : I think since we play the same games you have a fairly good chance to win that tournament too ;)
Yes, but I could also easily bust in round 1: if I'd face mailman in Super Stardust or Pinball Fantasies, Biscuit in Lotus III, a Humphrey in Jump 'n Roll or peace or TodaysForgotten in SWIV...

[TCD]

Yes, but I could also easily bust in round 1: if I'd face mailman in Super Stardust or Pinball Fantasies, Biscuit in Lotus III, a Humphrey in Jump 'n Roll or peace or TodaysForgotten in SWIV...

Well I have a serious problem if I face any of them (including you) in any of the games... but hey that's okay ;)
Let's hear what Graham thinks about it :)

[Graham Humphrey]

Suggestion:

Let's have a qualifying round free for all at first (game has to be voted).
This round determines how many competitors will play.
If 10 people submit their scores the best 8 qualify - then there will be 3 final rounds.
If 23 people submit their scores the best 16 qualify - then we'll have 4 final rounds.

I think that's a good idea so thanks for the suggestion - however the problem would be fitting it into the current schedule. Will have to have a long think about this (just woken up, brain not totally working yet) but if anyone has an idea to fit it in then do tell.

[TCD]

The next season will start on 18th of january, right? So we have six weeks for the tournament. Hmm, just a thought (given we have 16 players):

1 week qualification
2 weeks for round 1
1 week for the quarter finals
1 week for the semi finals
1 week for the final

If there are only 8 players the quarter finals could be extended to two weeks. Another idea would be to have two weeks for the qualification and then only one week for each round (to spice things a bit ;))

[john4p]

Yeah - shouldn't be too hard to adjust the schedule whether we have 8 or 16 competitors.